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I don't believe response time can be measured without an external unit, but feel free to see if you get results from the software. Would be interesting!

 

Lol nope. I didn't even order the new laptop.
Most of my feedback and experience is from using my friends DM3 that I had for 3 days. I hated the 3k panel, maybe because I mainly use a 144HZ 27" IPS , a BenQ 2411z and the Dell U2410.
I'm happy with my P870DM-G. Assembling Desktop No. 1 one tomorrow. And the second monstrosity next month .

 

I just posted it a few minutes ago. But, apparently that's frame lag and not the monitor refresh rate. I doubt there is a software product that can measure that. Probably requires some kind of external hardware.

 

Run firestrike test one and you will see the ms rating there.

For example. Firestrike is average 12 ms while running ultra is 43 ms. Using a 2560x1440p@60 monitor and a GTX 1070.

Not sure about actual refresh rate software.

The only way is to run a bench or game that is like 160+ frames. Then lock the framerate 120hz and see if it stays. I found a bunch of stuff talking about over clocking monitors but not actually showing it show the hz on screen.

 

That's frametimes, the time between each frame.

Firestrike being 12ms means its FPS is somewhere around 90fps and Firestrike Ultra being 43ms means it was under 30fps. Just divide 1000 by your FPS to see your expected frametimes. This is what the response time needs to be to enable ghosting-free visuals. So 120Hz (120fps) needs 8.3ms or less. 60Hz needs 16.67ms or less. It's why 25ms is a problem, because it only realistically works for 40fps or lower to ensure 100% ghosting free viewing.

For 165Hz like some of those new desktop panels are, you'd need 6ms or less.

Yeah that's what I expected.

 

Or one could ask linus. he would have probably tested that exact thing somewhere along the line.

 

I'm back to where I don't care again. Everything looks just great to me on my screen. Enough said as far as I am concerned, LOL.

 

SLI is alive,

Stock benchmark with no throttling finally.

 

More info and who does the testing for it....Not sure how they test though...

 

Well here's another confusing part. Input lag and response time are also different

Input lag is the delay between you inputting a command and it showing up as an action on the screen. It's basically offline lag. The GPU has a say in this (the GTX 950 was sold SPECIFICALLY touting an ultra low latency mode for League of Legends and Counter-Strike pros, as one example) but the screens do as well. It's tested basically by something like, attaching a hardware-activated light to say... left click, and then filming the light and the screen. You click, the light lights up basically instantly, and then the screen will have an action take place. Then they watch back in slow motion and see the delay between the light for your left click and the gun firing on the screen, let's say. Gsync and Freesync, depending on whether you're in windowed or fullscreen or borderless etc, all affect input lag to some varying degree from what I remember.

Response time is simply how fast the colours on-screen can change from the one they currently are at to another colour. They're either checked from black going to white, or gray going through a colour then back to gray. B2W and G2G can have totally different response times; the Chi Mei 1080p 120Hz panel that MSI uses in their GT73VR has 6.8ms for B2W, but 26ms for G2G, so it's not all a bed of roses even though B2W is fine. It won't happen for every colour in every frame in that case, but it WILL happen at some point.

If your response time lags, you simply see afterimages on the screen of the previous frame; it doesn't mean that what's being done hasn't happened. So for example if I spin 180° to shoot someone on a ghosting-heavy screen, I may see the background slightly smeared over the person I turned to see (and they won't be crisp for maybe a frame or two either) but I WILL still see the person. To this effect, it's a purely visual ordeal, but still very undesirable when it happens, and to design a panel knowing the intended response times are very far out of spec for the refresh rate, far less to sell it to gamers (the people that will most notice the issues) is really deplorable.

In the case of someone like @Mr. Fox who doesn't game very much though, he may not notice it often if and when it does happen, and if he does notice it it'll probably be out of his mind soon. Games that don't have a huge amount of fast movement or rapidly changing colours are also less likely to have it show up. If I'm in a desert and all the colours are basically the same shade of brown, then spinning around won't ghost much because the colours aren't really changing. Stuff like that. Also, it does not have *ANY* bearing on benchmarks whatsoever, so you two will certainly be happy about that =D.

If I messed up in my explanation and someone wants to clarify for me, do feel free.

 

@D2 Ultima
Short answer. Trying to find someone that can show hz on screen. Not fps.

Edit:
I think you are the man for this job. You can find just about anything.

 

I have now made it my mission to give you a taste of the real 1ms 144Hz.
Once your true Hz cherry is popped, you will not be able to go back.

 

I have an asus swift and am not bothered by the 1080p 120hz panel

 

Ok i book marked this

 

I would like to know more details on the New Razer Blade Pro Display.. It says 17" 4k IGZO Panel with Gsync.. And how would that compare to the 4k/ 3k options available on clevo. I know the laptop is not out yet.. But its rather sweet looking and fine tuned. Any thoughts?

 

If it's bga...You probably wont get a lot of positive answers....

 

The 4k panels are all pretty good, slower response than the 3k but very nice viewing angles and colour reproduction.

 

Hard to comment since it isn't out yet.

 

If the screen is excellent, there's no reason to waste it on a BGA turdbook. You could certainly steal it for redeployment on a platform that is far more worthy of its goodness.

 

I'm thinking i want the 3k screen now.

 

Me, too. I plan to get one later. I don't think those lines visible with your face almost touching the screen will bother me at all. I never get close enough to the screen to see them. I want the 2560*1440 resolution more than anything else.

 

I'm probably just very sensitive to refresh rates . But it could be because the IPS panel is also 4ms on the SWIFT.
And I'm guessing the FHD 120hz is 5ms as well?

 

Ok, so i'm going to ask. What should we use to monitor the ms? That's why i said use the one in afterburner. It might not be 100% accurate, but it does give one an idea what one is up against. I'm all ears if someone has something better???

@Mr. Fox
I already hit Donald up. Thought he might have had one handing in the rafters he forgot about.

I think I am going to grab one and run it with g-sync gpus. We shall see though....

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15970754

Thanks to the two gentlemen that helped me. Nice improvement and no more throttle.

 

I highly recommend the 3K panel, especially if you calibrate it. @Mr. Fox I highly recommend it to you as well bro, going back to the FHD screen on the Fox AK feels strange after you see the 3K panel in motion.

 

Get a video camera with >1000 fps capability (phantom/ etc) and record at a minimum of 1000fps, and have a program cycle the pixel colors on screen. Count how many ms it takes to go from one color to another then back

 

Do you mean you want a way to prove that a panel is 100Hz/120Hz/etc? I believe chrome and this website http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates can do it.

Spoiler

If you mean something different, elaborate a bit. I don't mind finding what you really want, I just need to understand it first.

 

Nice!

 

THIS IS SO TRIPPY THOUGH.

Spoiler

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15971547?

OC CPU @ 4.6 and GPU 100/100

 

I totally knew I was right! Thank you brother @D2 Ultima

Next project, one with ms attached to it if you can??

Yeah, I'm not going to remotely even consider doing that.

 

No problem, glad I got it right the first try xD

Screen response time and input lag both need to be externally measured I believe. Frametimes you already have MSI AB/RTSS? Do note that it's possible even for steady FPS to have inconsistent frametimes, which is why frametimes are useful to measure =D. Inconsistent frametimes can make 100fps look like 20fps.

Edit: I once asked Notebookcheck how they measure response times, and they replied with (and I quote):
We use an oscilloscope and a photodiode to measure the response rates. Best Klaus

 

I have the original TN version from 3 years back.

 

Ah the 1ms. Its weird then that you are not able to notice the difference, but it could be because everyone has a different amount of sensitivity.

 

I can notice the difference sure, but it does not bother me as it's still better than a 60Hz panel.

 

Any day!

 

simply put, you can't measure color gamut of a screen using software without hardware, same concept.

Was just my two cents

 

Its the latency between frames, just because it has "ms" doesn't mean it has to do with screen, this is all gpu related.

 

Yeah, that's beyond what I want to know there.

Pretty sure Linus has change for your 2 cent's.

 

I don't get it? XD

Edit: oh where did i offend you?

Oh sorry (i guess) I broke it this way, no hard feelings bro, was just discussing
(i was actually correcting you for frame time instead of simply saying otherwise)

Edit2: I thought it was friendly here and sharing my insight was ok thing to do, apparently i should shut up until i reach certain level/rep power lol (received -not so nice- pm).

 

I contacted HIDevolution to change the screen again from the AUO B173HAN01.2 17.3" FHD 120Hz 25ms LED Matte Display that I ordered to the 17.3" 3K QHD AUO 120Hz 5ms LED Matte Type Display (G-SYNC) after I came to find out that the latter is a 25ms screen.

 

...you mean the former...?

 

Lucky you...my reseller does not have this screen and does not plan to sell it. US retailers will not sell me a screen+eDP cable. Only source I found who is willing to sell me a screen was Eurocom and for the screen+pixel warranty+cable+shipping I have to pay $765!

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$765 USD? That's almost the cost of a new low end laptop! Heck no! Not worth it bro

Can you update your sig with your laptop model and specs so I don't have to ask you every time

 

No offense taken here, bro. We're all good. Hope you're not offended. We're just kicking things around here. As you can tell, my focus is pretty narrow and there's a ton of stuff that I have to learn about things I don't care about.

I appreciate you sharing your experience and knowledge with us. Please keep doing so.

 

That's strange. Wonder why your reseller is unwilling to help you? They must not be able to for some reason, because the alternative is they are unwilling and therefor are unworthy of your patronage. Now, $765 is truly insane... sounds more like a "go away and stop bothering us" price quote for that screen upgrade. I would not pay that much for any screen, be it laptop or desktop or television.

 

I know its not worth it, but there is no one else who will sell it...MySN UK said they don't deal with muggles outside the UK, MySN EU in 1 week only replied asking if I bought the laptop from them or not, CEG Hardcorecustom said they are low on stock so cant sell it (now it has also been taken off the config page), HID said that they dont' have any to "spare", XoticPC said that Sager will not sell it, only if I buy an entire laptop with it.
Eurocom was the only one who said that they have stock and they will sell one to me, they even checked if the old cable is good enough or not.

It is not a "personalized" price, this is the price for everyone and you can check it on their configurator page. The price at Eurocom is insane but so far they had the best support and will to sell me this part.

PCSpecialist said that they will not sell it because there is too much issue with it and they will continue to sell only FHD and 4K panels.

 

I have a few questions about the thermal pads for my next GPU repaste in 3 months or so. I saw Meaker's post about which ones to replace. First, how much of a difference does it make from the stock pads being thicker to swapping out to a thinner pad (2 to 3C or something greater)? Second, I see that Meaker stated to leave some of the thicker pads stock. Is that because those specific areas do not create as much heat and if they are compromised should they be replaced with 2mm thermal pads? Last, would fujipoly 11/mk-14/mk work or do the thermal pads that meaker used at 8/mk have more Elasticity and fit better?

 

check this thread for thermal pad performance and texture/elasticity:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?threads/796820/

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