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I did last time I corrected that statement .

Look up Obsidian . ^^

I edited my initial post to clarify it still isn't common practice, but they are no longer alone in doing so .

Also want to clarify I have nothing to do with them, I have my P870DM2 arriving through Dream machines who are also a great company and Prema partner .

 

You are correct, they do offer " Delided for optimal thermal values, includes one or more OBSIDIAN PC XTU Profiles" standard on their K processors. They also offer Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut exclusively, which is nice for those who prefer that thermal paste.

However, as of now, they are not a Prema Partner shop, so one has to wonder...how much better would they be if they were also able to offer the Prema Custom BIOS and vBIOS, and would offer alternatives to Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

At this point what we can say is that HIDevolution.com is the only Prema Partner shop that offers delidding, as well as what we consider to be a better thermal solution on delidded CPUs

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Nice!

I think the owner explained why they cant offer Prema mods. Was a valid enough reason. He is a great person as well.

 

To be fair processor failures are very rare.

 

Really? I was certain he was all for it if he could have been.

 

https://forum.obsidian-pc.com/discussion/17/obsidian-pc-supports-premamod

 

Not getting sued is a fair reason.

 

Now that is a great way to support enthusiasts and Prema AND not getting sued!

 

Aww. That's so sad.

 

So how are you supposed to flash Premamod on these laptops if its not publicly available?

 

It's also not like I have come to collect even one cent of his collection, yet...
Made personal Mods for everyone during the HIDevo marathon...though doesn't look like you have a Skylake model.

 

Haha fair enough... Thought you had collected it

Nope, don't have a Skylake model... I decided against it after Clevo's latest shenanigans with Pascal GPUs...

Not worth investing in gaming laptops anymore... I've given up.. Its just a bottomless waste of money.. Much cheaper to build a desktop.. And GPU upgrades are more reasonable in price.. Also I don't really go around much tbh.. And I've made more space in the house for a desktop somehow...

 

Mistakenly installed the full Killer Network Software Suite... what a disaster. Random no internet, random hang on restart, random no 2nd monitor, random hard lock.

After uninstalling it and installing the bare driver (thx @Phoenix for the driver mirror thread!), all those problems went away. Lesson learned.

 

As a noobie, I have soooo many questions, so let me know if there is a better place to ask them, I don't want to clutter this thread w/ support topics.

1. Haven't touched the gpu driver settings. I see GSYNC is enabled, do I need to disable/enable regular VSYNC?
2. I only have a 1080p 60Hz external monitor. Do I need to limit FPS? When I run Fraps, BF1 stays at 60fps on Ultra.
3. I can see cpu/gpu temps in HWMonitor. Any way to see fan speeds?
4. CPU-Z shows memory at 1197MHz (DRAM Frequency). Is this running at my RAM's rated speed (see sig)?

TIA, Trey

 

1. gsync is important at lower framerates, vsync caps the framerate if its too high, so that it saves you power/temps/noise
2. depends on the game u play. if it reaches like 100 fps it might make sense to limit fps, since ure sitting at 60 Hz. otherwise, it doesnt.
3. better use HWInfo64, it shows fan speeds, as well as a million other things
4. 1197 x 2 = 2394 Mhz DDR

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

you need to set the RAM to XMP 2 profile in the BIOS so it runs @ 1500 MHz which equates to 3000 MHz since it's DDR (Double Data Rate)

I will get my laptop soon then I can tell you where to look exactly in the BIOS as I am not sure the stock BIOS has that option or not. If not, then you will have that option once we get the Prema BIOS but I think someone here mentioned that the stock BIOS now has the option to select XMP profiles

Also, if you run the latest nVIDIA Drivers it now has an option called Fast Sync rather than the normal VSYNC, with that, you still enjoy tear free game play with GSYNC but without capping the FPS to your screen's refresh rate. The best of both worlds.

I wouldn't risk upgrading to the latest nVIDIA driver right now just to enable Fast Sync as some users are reporting they lost their GSYNC altogether with the latest driver. So better wait till I post a new nVIDIA Driver that comes tested from Clevo

 

I was looking at either getting the corsair vengeance 3000mhz or the G.Skill Ripjaws 3000mhz. Someone had previously said to install them on the back side of the computer and not under the keyboard if you are running 2x16gb. Is there a performance difference in going with 4x8 (32gb) vs 2x16 (32gb). Obviously you could upgrade to 64gb but don't plan on doing that.

 

it depends. at stock, there wont be that much difference, but a lower number of sticks always increases your theoretical overclocking headroom ive heard that in some cases, more sticks can potentially increase the bandwidth due to more channels being used in parallel, but tbh, i havent seen those advantages in action yet ^^ the overclocking ability is real though, more sticks means a higher possibility of one "slow" stick (i.e. cant be overclocked as much as the other three) and that will diminish your headroom.

 

Thanks, Jaybee. Does heat play a factor with ram in the laptops seeing as how there is not much airflow under the keyboard. As of now my 2400mhz sticks are under the keyboard and just wondering if it would be better to move them?

 

at only several watts at worst, heat doesnt really play a role with ram sticks however, according to @Prema, the "master slots" are located under the system hatch, whereas the slots below the keyboard are the "slave slots". following that information, one would assume that the master slots are more robust at higher ram clocks / tighter timings.

 

Alright thx, I'll look for for the XMP 2 setting in the BIOS and report back.

Running the latest driver, 375.86 and see that GSYNC is enabled. If it's actually working, no idea. I'll look for the FastSync setting.

 

@trey22

I just saw in your sig that you are about to re-paste with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. I wouldn't do that if I were you, it's a total waste of your time. That was the worst thermal paste I ever used. IC Diamond was way better, heck even GELID Extreme Thermal Compound was better. Just a warning and throwing in my 2 cents.

 

Fast Sync is only in drivers 373.xx and above. Don't install the latest one though it's crap.

 

If G-sync is enabled then it's in use within what it can do of course.

 

Strange, I found it better than IC Diamond

 

Actually, both 372.54 and 372.90 have Fast Sync available (tested on Maxwell).

 

I used GELID Extreme Thermal Compound but could not see any difference between the factory IC Diamond paste job, have no experience with Grizzly Kryonaut.

 

So long as the paste job is good there will only be slight deltas in temperatures with the higher end pastes.

 

All three are great thermal pastes, and under ideal conditions Thermal grizzly Kryonaut and Gelid are both superior to IC diamond, what makes the results so varied is Clevo and their tendency to have warped heatsinks, the more they are warped the more IC Diamond will be better than the other two .

 

Would warped apply to both the GPU and CPU heatsinks or just the massive GPU heatsync?

 

I've not seen signs that the vapor chamber is off dimentions wise between units.

 

I have looked at several desktop reviews on ram. Just wanted to ask your opinion on ram. I know a lot of you all upgraded right off the bat which was a good idea but from the stock memory clevo uses 2400mhz 17, 17, 39 is there really any gain in performance worthwhile to upgrade the ram. 1 to 2 fps gain is what I gather when reviewing ram on several sites.

 

depends on your usage scenarios. from a pure gaming perspective, ram is basically useless. at best, it improves your minimum fps slightly, at worst it doesnt have any impact whatsoever.

however, i have experienced a very noticeable boost in overall snappiness after ocing my cpu to 4.6 ghz and tightening my ram timings to the max. everything is just more....direct in its execution ^^

as for kryonaut, im starting to have my doubts as well. while the freshly pasted temps are absolutely AMAZING with this paste, the longevity is poor at best! in my case, it only takes a few days of benching, gaming and ocing and bam, temps rise by 10C and that is with an absolutely perfect fit of the heatsink, on both the cpu and gpu! ive never had such a perfect heatsink at stock before, coverage is thin and uniform. still, the paste degrades pretty fast. i think ill go back to GC Extreme, it definitely lasts way longer with simlar initial temps as kryonaut...

 

How long have you gotten out of gc extreme in the past? My only other test with it was with my 4770k desktop and i got around a year out of it before I started seeing a difference. My only use for the ram is gaming and working with excel, PowerPoint, word and creating very big PDF reports. Don't plan on ocing to much as I don't plan on a delid on the processor; although I did delid the 4770k and got a huge drop with clu.

 

to be honest, ive never gotten to the point with GC Extreme that I noticed degradation, my repastes were too frequent for that ^^ so im guessing that the degradation time of GCE is way longer than my repaste intervalls kryonaut, on the other hand, degrades waaay too fast....

 

A question to 120hz 3K screen owners: How does low fps look on the screen ?
On the LG fullHD panel low fps looks really choppy. I have tested The Division with 3K DSR and I have got around 40-50 FPS and it looked horrible, really choppy and it was like the textures were shaking/vibrating. Something like this but way worse:

My question is (expesially to the people who has a 3K screen and even play The Division): Does low fps (even with GSync) really look that choppy (or worse) like in the linked video or in real time use the G-Sync smooths out the 40ish fps completely on the 3K panel?

 

No panel is going to be perfect bro. I have had friends spend over 800+ for their monitors and always find something to complain about. I chalk it up as basic human nature for people to complain.

As for the 1440p panel, I just sent back my old P870DM3 to its reseller and when I reorder it from HIDevolution, I am getting the same exact 1440p panel. I realize that the panel manufacturer had to choose giving us a TN monitor that's 1440p, 120hz and 5ms that actually has really good viewing angles or one with terrible viewing angles AND keep it under a certain price. You and I both know that if those "lines" weren't there but the panel had really crappy angles, someone would be complaining how bad they were.

 

We have shipment! 4 days to travel to me, add 2 for the weekend.

 

It's not just complaining, it's actually an irritant for some that they can't ignore.

There was a model of TN panels shipped for the G750 series that had the same horizontal line effect, and there were lots of people that just couldn't put up with it, and ended up either replacing their screens or returning for another laptop until they got one with a different screen make.

BAD DISPLAYS, HORIZONTAL LINES ISSUE
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...-issue&highlight=g750+horizontal+screen+lines

Spoiler: Rathole

For some this became a real rathole of a problem that they couldn't shake.

An Nvidia driver change "fixed" this for many, others still couldn't stop seeing the horizontal lines. Some said the Nvidia fix made the effect look more like boxes than lines. Here's a post referring to Nvidia drivers that fixed it and the ones that broke the fix:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...al-lines-issue&p=344029&viewfull=1#post344029

And, an older similar issue:

G74 HORIZONTAL LINES ON SCREEN
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?11405-G74-Horizontal-lines-on-screen

 

Agreed. This is why we only use IC Diamond on non-delidded desktop CPUs.

However when we delid, here is how we do it:
1.) Delid
2.) Clean up old silicone and thermal paste
3.) Apply Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
4.) Carefully apply Permatex 82180 Ultra Black Maximum Oil Resistance RTV Silicone to seal the IHS back to the CPU
5.) Let it dry before installing on any system
6.) Install and apply IC Diamond between the IHS and heatsink.

Be sealing the IHS back to the CPU die it eliminates the risk of it flowing out under pressure, or while being moved about, or being blown out when using compressed air to clean the laptop.

We find this the best way to do it, particularly on any models that have uneven heatsinks.

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In case anyone was wondering... The 3K 120Hz screen will go to 126Hz OC (not that it's needed) before showing artifacts on the desktop. Doesn't help any with the lines, though so far I'm not having an issue with them...

Spoiler

 

Yeah that's what I got and backed it off to 125hz.

 

I was just curious, haha... I put mine back down to 120 just in case it'll help it last longer, because I doubt I'd notice the difference with just a +5 bump. But I agree you shouldn't take it to the max it seems to be able to handle

 

The panels... still with the panels...

Is there any hope of a 1080p FHD panel with Gsync and 5ms response and 8bit in a Sager/Clevo this generation?

I'm seriously about to put my entire build plans on hold until next year....
200 series mainboards
1080ti cards (with luck)
Kaby Lake CPUs
very, very early rumors of improved keyboards finally...
... maybe finally a "good" FHD panel with low response and gsync.

Seems waiting is the thing to do, but I've already waited a year at this point only be disappointed with the machines being released. Very frustrating.


I was all set to order a build with the 1440p then I saw this info...
B173QTN01.0 - 1440p, 72% NTSC gamut, Matte, 120Hz, 10ms B2W & 31ms G2G response times, 8-bit colour, TN.

Doesn't sound very good... certainly not the 5ms that it was sold as.

As DReven mentioned... the Chi Mei FHD (1080p) with Gsync seems to be a good panel, but doesn't seem to be available for Clevo... don't suppose HID could source and install one for me? lmao.



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For reference....


Various Web based monitor tests
http://www.blurbusters.com/

Ghosting Test Program (web and download)
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting-test.html


Reposting a couple things that have been said below
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@D2 Ultima
D2 Ultima said....

The only panels on the Clevo 17" models are:

• LP173WF4-SPF1 - 1080p, 72% NTSC gamut, Matte, 60Hz (oft BIOS OC'd to 75Hz but not guaranteed; changing BIOS can change inherent overclock) 25ms response time, 6-bit colour, IPS.
• LP173WF4-SPD1 - As above; minor if any differences. Seems interchange-able.
• B173HAN01.2 - 1080p, 94% NTSC gamut, Matte, 120Hz, unknown response times; likely 25ms, 8-bit colour, AHVA (IPS). ((NO GSYNC))
• B173QTN01.0 - 1440p, 72% NTSC gamut, Matte, 120Hz, 10ms B2W & 31ms G2G response times, 8-bit colour, TN. ((GSYNC))
• B173ZAN01.0 - 4K, unknown NTSC gamut (88% Adobe RGB & 100% sRGB clear), Matte, 24ms B2W & 40ms G2G response times, 8-bit colour, AHVA (IPS). ((GSYNC))

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@DRevan
DRevan said...

The Chi Mei panel has 6.8 ms b2w and 26ms g2g and 1080p resolution (which results in higher fps).
The AOU B173QTN01.0 has 10 ms b2w and 31 ms g2g and 3k resolution (which results in lower fps).

Both are TN and both support G-Sync.
Chi Mei has 100% sRGB while the AOU has 84% sRGB.
Chi Mei (according to the numbers) is faster with games, has less ghosting (but probably cant see) and has better color accuracy compared to the AOU.
So if we consider gaming, in my eyes the Chi Mei is the better one. Why cant Clevo source this? :/

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DRevan added....

Notebookcheck, they tested and measured both panels.

Chi Mei: http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT73VR-6RE-Titan-Notebook-Review.172916.0.html

AOU: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-X7-v6-Notebook-Review.182897.0.html

 

@teknomedic I wouldn't hold out any hope that Clevo is going to integrate anymore panels into the P870DM2/3 SKU's this generation. With that said, the 1440p panel was unexpectedly (at least by the general public) released.

What I am interested in knowing is when Nvidia releases the 1080 Ti, will that card make its way to DTR's? I'm not expecting anything during the holidays (so not to steal any potential sales from current DTR's) but I'm thinking more late Jan to Feb of next year.

 

I feel the same, I'm not expecting anything more with the P870DM2/3 series... and I'm not expecting anything until at least March with the 200 series and 1080ti. My thoughts are if we can burn these up with SLI 1080s then a single 1080ti should be doable at the very least. Latest info/rumor I was seeing was a 250w part for the 1080ti vs the 180w x2 for 1080 SLI.... granted I haven't delved deep into the specs of the 1080.

As I said, I was about to give up waiting and pull the trigger on a 1440 build, but that review with the real world performance was a real bust for me to pull the trigger...unless I'm missing something it seems I should wait.... not that i really want to.

EDIT
I know they're not considered super reputable... but this is where I got the 1080ti rumor info...
http://wccftech.com/gtx-1080-ti-10-gb-vram-zauba/

 

The vapor chamber heat sink seems to have the headroom to handle even hotter cards so.. there is thermal headroom for a bigger card.
At least one of the, maybe not SLI, though
Same as the desktop 980. I believe in the greed of nvidia!

 

Because its the same exact panel.

 

If you have a friend who owns a MSI laptop with that Chi Mei panel and willing to share the laptop SN with you, than it is relatively easy to source one for yourself. Atleast I could However Clevo bios does not have that panel for GSync so GSync would not work.

 

Any news on the Eurocom 700W Single power brick?