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16GB is not even near enough for me and what I do. IMO 32GB nowadays is becoming a minimum requirement for someone like me.

Would love to get my hand on a 32gb/64gb kit.

For just gaming/benchmarking, 16gb might be enough though.

 

64 GB here , which falls short sometimes, specially with heavy sims.

 

16 GBs is not enough to export all audio and drawing and photo files. It runs out of RAM at some points

BTW, talking about 10K pixel and larger images XD

 

Oh, I also forgot about the memory slots. You've got contact interference with the slave MXM slot there as well. In this photo you can see the offset in the chassis near where the battery goes to make room for the SLI bridge cable.

 

But wont that be with the our 980's? Since the L has been flipped over.

 

Nope, wrong again. That's with 980 M SLI and 180W 980 SLI. There is no L to be flipped over. You cannot move the slave MXM slot toward the battery. The only thing that they could move is the master MXM slot, unless they used a smaller battery, modified the chassis reinforcement and moved the memory slots somewhere else, and I don't see anywhere to move them. They may have moved both MXM slots away from the battery, which would further complicate getting heat sinks to fit because the master MXM slot would have moved even further from its original position.

Remember, I've used 200W 980, 980M SLI, 180W 980 SLI and 880M SLI in this chassis. Trust me... they did not move the slave MXM slot away from the master because there is no room for doing that unless there are major dimensional changes to the motherboard and chassis. The photos I have seen of the new system do not suggest that there are significant internal redesigns, only minor changes that are of enough consequence to block any kind of graceful Maxwell to 1080 Pascal upgrades and shut out 1080 SLI upgrades completely.

Even using Vaseline doesn't make this hurt any less.

 

It doesn't hurt if you enjoy it

Look at the AW owner/defenders

 

did you block your PM?

 

Yes... I have PM turned off, but I got your kind reply to our previous message. Thank you.

I have it turned off because I am not a moderator any more, not on the forum very often as I used to be, and the incoming messages from people asking for technical support were too much for me to try to keep up with. Sometimes a dozen or more per day from people needing help.

 

You forget that the current model has a larger Master FAN while they shrunk it on the refresh and made them all 3 the same size. This will keep the T-shaped heatsink compatible even though the Master MXM slot was moved to the left.

There are 3 heatsink options for the refresh:

- Separate Master and Slave plus separate CPU heatsink (just like SLI now). Maybe better for the CPU.

- T-shaped heatsink for strongest single GPU cooling over two FANs plus separate CPU heatsink (just like 980 setup now).

- Giant single SLI Monster Heatsink aka 'The Grid' with CPU attachment. This will be best for SLI but may result in hotter CPU.

Everyone will find something to be happy about. Old and new user!

 

can also confirm that the fans are 12v? therefore improving the maximum flight speed of the aircraft by providing more thrust?

 

that is 100% official info.

 

Seeeeeee @Mr. Fox *does told you so dance* .

 

There must be something with the DM2 then, with the master slot not being moved from where it is on the 200W 980 option. That's fantastic news for those that will be happy with a single 1080 and I'm happy for them if that works out. If my main interest was playing games that would be truly phenomenal. But, that's not the case. My main interest is overclocked benching with the best hardware configuration I can get my hands on.

So, looking at the big picture it still doesn't help those that want more. Single 1080 is not the best option available if 1080 SLI is available, so I would not waste my money on such an expensive second-fiddle upgrade. I bought this beast only because I intended to go SLI once something better than 980M SLI surfaced as the new flagship. I got it for a great price with an awesome 200W 980 to bide my time while waiting for something better than 980M. It was a great decision until Clevo threw a monkey wrench into the works for me. Now I can either spend a fortune on 180W 980 SLI, try to mod my own heat sinks well enough to handle that and still be in second place, or just do nothing and save money for a different pursuit.

 

Right there with you. I aint dropping $1200 on a new GPU lol. Might as well invest in a Core.

 

Is it possible to detach the thermal bridge between the CPU and slave GPU? Or just remove the thermal pad over the CPU fin array to stop the slave GPU offloading heat onto the CPU?

 

core 500 usd + gtx 1080 desktop 700usd = 1200 before any tax

ara ara~

 

It sits on top, so not using thermal pad/paste and screws is the only option you have if you try to avoid contact.
In CPU or GPU only usage scenarios each one will profit from having the contact in place. If 100% load is applied to all 3 over a long run, then we will have to see...

 

You can try to find someone willing to pay a price premium for your mods on resale. If you can find it, then upgrade (although it will cost more, you get sli). Otherwise, the core and 1080 egpu costs the same as upgrading to a 1080.

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Well the 1080 will go into the Dekstop later on , and its easier to sell it as well. Also not going to get the Core right this moment, going to wait a month or 2, by then more products should be coming out.

And the GPU prices will come down for sure in a month or so, once the availability is sorted.

 

The 980M SLI heat sinks cannot handle 180W 980 SLI very well. I modded the heat sinks extensively on the Sky X9 and made excellent progress, but 3 heat pipes was not enough to work with. Any kind of intense gaming with stock clocks they struggled with high temps, and to manage the extra ~100W per GPU when overclocked compared to 980M was a bit of a stretch.

 

Even if I had the cash to burn I would not jump on being one of the first to buy a new 1080 SLI beast. I want to see what shakes out before spending big bucks on something that hasn't landed in the hands of overclocking enthusiasts. I stopped being an early adopter a while back. Too easy to get burned by believing marketing hype. I'm not from Missouri, but I definitely a "show me" guy now. It has not always been this way, but my preference for the past couple of years has been to watch others deal with any drama and learn from their good or bad decisions before spending my own money. After 7970M and 880M turning out like crap, it's just too risky to not look (long and very carefully) before you leap.

 

You are probably going to end up with a souped up review unit with Prema magic all over it.
And im looking forward to your review when you do. Please make a nice unboxing and disassembly video(s) with a nice camera.

 

Maybe your volts are a little low? You tried 3100 at 1.20v? 1.25v might work since desktop chips uses 3200 for the 14-14-14-34 and 3466 14-14-14-34 at 1.35v.

 

got pics of your cooling mod?

 

So you are saying the monster single 1080 heatsink will fit both our older P870DM and the newer P870DM3 at the same time?

 

Someone go start a donation thread to get @Mr. Fox a better camera

 

Ill send him my D5100 if it comes to that lol.

 

Will they ever get rid of the sodimm modules in place for the larger ones? It's an actual DTR by then.

 

There's really no need. Our laptops barely support 3000mhz. I haven't seen anyone run 3200mhz+ yet.

The current sodimm options aren't bad in my opinion. We would just be wasting space in the chassis that can go to something such as video cards.

 

Wish I had one to say challenge accepted!

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But a better board design could up the speed beyond 3000+ though?

Some desktop mobos can go to 4000+

 

Same here, sadly I have 2400mhz kingston ram, would love to try 3000mhz g.skill ram

Yes I'm sure we are either being limited by the ram (3000mhz ram cannot go beyond 3ghz+) or we are limited by the bios or motherboard(not designed to go beyond 3ghz+?)

 

Those are not sodimms! Desktop ram is slightly different. The ram chips on desktops are bigger on the PCB, meaning you can work to spread the stuff out and have different thermal package. We are limited in size, which means they can run very hot if you try to run them at those speeds.

I'm running 2400mhz Kingston as well. DDR3 that I flashed the spd so that is their stock!!! now that the liquid metal isn't shorting the power to them making them draw extra voltage and run hot, I need to try going faster with them again!

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Maybe it might work in a 18.4" or greater

 

Actually Phoenix has pushed the 3000Mhz memory to 3100 Mhz if i remember correctly. But it wasn't perfectly stable, and needs a bit more tweaking.

 

At 1.20v? It needs more volts after 3000 I think
2133 - 3000 is fine at 1.20v

 

Probably. But with the amount of memory we have , increasing the voltage will stress the IMC a bit too much. There are people who have pushed their 2400Mhz kits to 2800Mhz though with a little extra voltage.

 

Bumping up 0.05 or 0.10 or even 0.15 should be fine, and most kits on the desktop can take 1.35v anyways. Isn't the IMC integrated to processor for several gens now?

 

Just posted this in the other thread...

Looks like the product pages are up for the new P870s

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=948&lang=en
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=949&lang=en
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=950&lang=en

Other new models are also up

 

1st link = 4.8kg
and 2x 230W
and Power converter box AC-200

2nd link = 5.5kg
120hz
and 2x 330W
and Power converter box AC-200

3rd link = 5.5kg
g-sync
and 2x 330W
and Power converter box AC-200

 

All 3 models are of the same new thickness(47.2mm) vs previous 45mm

 

The timings on that are so awful, though. I now prefer G.Skill over most others in general I'd say, but at least for laptops, they do not have the best specced RAM. I believe Kingston's 15-15-15-36 2800MHz RAM will far outpace their 3000MHz 16-18-18-43 RAM.

I want oneee too D=. But my country slays me D=.

I wanna see some 3000MHz 15-15-15-36 RAM or so. I've seen 14-14-14-34 on desktops, I'm sure we should be able to get close here.

 

15*2 +0 / 2.8 =10.71
15*2 +3 / 2.8 =11.78
15*2 +7 / 2.8 =13.21

16*2 +0 / 3.0 = 10.66
16*2 +3 / 3.0 = 11.66
16*2 +7 / 3.0 = 13.00

If anything, the 3.0ghz ram should be slightly quicker despite increased timings and higher bandwidth. Need comparisons though.

These are at 1.20v, but you might be able to reach 14-14-14-34 at 1.25v or 1.30v

 

Aren't you only considering the first timing? 15-15-15-36 vs 16-18-18-43. If it was 16-16-16-40, even, I would have said it might be a bit better.

 

I guess so. But it'd be pretty close anyways. Easier to just up the clocks with relaxed timings than otherwise, but I think CAS is the most important.

 

My last Kingston set was ok but not amazing and g.skill has served me well in the past so I will give this a go

 

Yeah, hence why I had said G.Skill is my now-preferred manufacturer. I just wish they'd tighten the latencies JUST a bit. These are quad-channel latencies on dual channel laptop sticks. We can surely get an in-between. Laptops have had really bad RAM for quite some time, unfortunately.

 

Why did they downsize the fans on the refresh? The smaller fan sucks in my Phoenix. This will almost certainly mean more noise

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How well does this laptop fit in the Everki Titan?