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oh wait, people with 6820hk might not even get to go over 4.3ghz if they wanted to lul

 

P95 large FFT @4.0 -150mV core/cache tops out at 65W and 55C at max fans. Obviously not everybody needs a CPU running at 4.8GHz all day. It's about the freedom to do so if you need/want to.

 

I am almost done with my fan - Mod.
I now have two fan controllers.
One for PWM and one for 3 pin fans.
Two Noctua Industrial 3000(PWM) are already a house number.
The two are making noise!
But they also have an airflow of 269.3 m³ / h at a volume of
41.3 dB (A).
But since I can regulate the two monsters - they are fully used in intensive gambling.
My CPU temperatures are now below 60 degrees C(at 23 degrees C room temperature).
The GPU is with Undervolt at the time Maxwert at Fallout 4 at 53 degrees at 23 degrees C room temperature.
The two PWM need power and there is only an external power supply.
For that I have already ordered cord switches - so I can switch on and off the Fan Controller.

I have not found a real PWM controller yet.
So I have an Akasa which has the fan connections 4 pin - actually 2 pin. It works over the voltage.
Actually, PWM is designed differently with clocking.
I'm still thinking about whether I'm buying a fan controller with 4 pin and actual 3 pin.

I will deliver pictures later.

 

You can control 4pin or 3pin fans with a regular 3 pin non PWM fan controller. Standard 3pin is controlled by the amount of voltage going to the fan. 4 pin is controlled by pulses, in theory more accurate and incremental control. My last big desktop build for a client I had 27 fans that were a mixture of 4-pin and 3-pin. They all enddd up being conctrolled as 3-pin fans even though half of them were pwm 4-pin fans.

 

Is there any option to just order the 780W in place of the 2 default bricks?


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This is also clear to me.
It is also running.

But since I currently use a fan controller with 4 pin width and only 2 pin are occupied - and the new Akasa 4 pin supports it should work better with the regulation.
Because otherwise it is a gamble whether the PWM fans also run at 2 pin.
I have read many comments.
Also the external power supply is important, so that the two 12 V fans get enough power.

That is why today I ordered a new Akasa AK-FC-07BK.
The has 4 pin connections for the fans and really 3 pins to the fan cable.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B005GNP6W8...GNP6W8&childASIN=B005GNP6W8&tag=geizhals10-21

 

Ironically I was in the middle of making a travel setup video when I read your post. Here's the link if anyone is interested. I've just been making some random videos to get better with Premiere Pro CC.




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That was a great video: really appreciated it. You are so organized in comparison to my, ahem, chaos!

 

Thanks! I do tend to be a neat freak.


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I don't have precheck but yeah I always get laptop scanned in the airport because it is so thick.


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Hey I use the same bag for travel with my NP9873s. I'll have to take a picture or two of how I have it packed with my surface pro 4 in it as well as all my clevo gear and power supplies.


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Unfortunately no, because the 2x 330W + Converter box come with the laptop from Clevo. The 780W AC Adapter is not a Clevo product, it is a separate item, and has to be purchased separately.

However if you have 2 locations at which you use your laptop regularly, use the 780W at the location where you stress it the most, and the other set at your other location...no more carting them around!
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Finally, placed my order today for the 870dm3 @hidevolution. Thank you to everyone on this forum for the insights.


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Explanation PWM fan MOD Notebook Cooler Notepal U3 Plus with Noctua 3000 Industrial PWM

Pin Function Color
1 mass black
2 Voltage (Volt) red
3 Tacho yellow
4 PWM blue

PWM fans are not suitable for speed regulation over the supply voltage, since they are not designed at all.
The PWM signal for the speed is input via pin 4.
Because PWM fans run and stop constantly.
For this process to work smoothly - these fans normally need
the PWM signal (control signal).
In the control signal, the information is in the ratio of the low to high time of the clock cycle. The high percentage is expressed as a percentage. If it is 100%, a direct current is applied.
The fan control with 4-pin connection allows for a more flexible processor and system cooling. It is somewhat more complicated and requires fans with its own control electronics and 4-wire connection.

For me, I have problems with the PWM fans, since these two Noctua fans need to start the full power from the power supply.
After that, I can control the speed over 2 pin over the voltage.
But as already explained above would be a reasonable solution over 4 pin.
That's why I ordered the Akasa AK-FC-07BK.
There I will also the connection from the controller with a new 4 pin cable provided.

 

Any idea when you guys will have actual pics and specs of the PSU on your site?

 

After 10+ minutes on a Handbrake video encode, maxing out 95 W TDP the whole time. Only 70 Degree C max temp! That's with CLU delid and CLU on IHS to heatsink.

http://imgur.com/a/3xNCN

EDIT: That's with 4.5 GHz (x41 cache) at -20 mV on core/cache

 

I will post them here early next week.

 

Great news!

But I thought those were a Eurocom product?

 

Eurocom will have them as well.

 

who developed / produced that new psu? since its not a clevo thing...

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Great to hear the 780 w is ready for customers and I went to pre-order until I saw the 499 price tag. Ouch , have to think about that one for a while.

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It's pricey to be sure, but you can recoup a fair amount of the cost by selling your 330W adapters.

 

Dang, that is pricy!

 

I agree, I think $399 would have been more doable. I'll wait until I see pics and specs and decide.

It should definitely be better than two 330w bricks + power converter potability wise

I'd actually need to keep mine.

My setup must be 0.1% lol:

2x 330w + power converter for the "desktop" station (when hooking it up to my tv/speakers/kb/mouse etc)

1x 330w adapter at work (so I don't have to lug around one just when I go to work

The 780W adapter will be my portable adapter (whether it be using the laptop somewhere else in the house besides the "desktop station" or I'm going somewhere like a friends house.

 

Just be aware of the size if it's going to be your portable one

 

You mean less than half the size of 2x 330W + Converter Box?

 

I think I mis-read Porter's post as being serious.

 

Hi everyone. I just finished going through the 800+ pages of this thread. I also talked to Donald at HID. I'm going to be clicking buy as soon as I get my refund for my MSI GT73VR. I went through two returns with that laptop. I am going to start with a single 1080 with the plan to upgrade later (wife's request). I pretty much have my build setup with the exception of Ram. I saw that there was some issues with the ripjaws 3000. Has that been resolved? I was either going to go with 64GB of the 2400mhz or 32 GB of the 3000. Last is there an eta on when the Prema bios will be available.

Here is the build so far with expectation of purchasing next Wednesday.

LCD Panel
17.3" 3K QHD (2560x1440) AUO 120Hz - 5ms - LED Mat ...

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5

Prema vBIOS - Latest Updated Version once available -

Processor
Silicon Lottery Cherry picked Binned, Delidded and Tested, Factory Overclocked 6th Generation Intel Core i7-6700K Quad Core Processor, 4.0 GHz (Max Turbo Frequency 4.4GHz), 8MB Smart Cache - GUARANTEED Performance

Memory
64GB (4 x 16GB) Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz - $415.00

M.2 SSD Slot 1 (supports PCIe or SATA)
HIDevolution Approved 512GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD

M.2 SSD Slot 2 (supports PCIe and SATA)
None

1st 2.5" HDD/SSD Bay
1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive

2nd 2.5" HDD/SSD Bay
Empty HDD bay (with caddy/adapter)

Wireless Cards
Intel® Wireless-AC 8260 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ B

 

Great choices there! Make sure you get the vapor chamber heatsink too. It is going to cost you another 175 if I remember the cost but it is worth it for the extra cooling it offers. According to Donald, sometime next year they will be offering a SLI upgrade kit with a 1080, vapor chamber, and SLI cable. I still think the VC is great to have and others here will tell you the same.

 

Sorry, yeah I was joking. I had that huge power supply that looked like a large power brick, and I have no idea what it really was for. It was super light and had a molex plug on it. I'm pretty sure I grabbed it out of our e-waste at work so it likely was used to power some shelf or electronics from a long time ago.

 

Do you think I can get away without the vapor chamber for now? I have the upgrade kit in my wish list and it includes the vapor chamber. I'd hate to pay to have two. I don't plan on doing much overclocking. Im just looking to get good low temps for longevity.

 

I agree on the pricing, I just hope it's not priced so high for a niche product that few buy it, and they stop making it. I'd rather pay less than $400 personally.

I have similar setup to you. I have my main desk setup in my bedroom where I leave two bricks all tied up nicely and cooled on a cooling pad. Then I have my rolling laptop stand in the living room, with dual adapters, which I would also like to leave all tied up nicely, and I would like to take the 780w on the road with me (if I can grab one eventually). Otherwise I will need to buy two more 330w, and its just a pain with double the cords and the adapter.

 

The question you should ask yourself, am I serious about upgrading in the future? The upgrade kit is likely going to be 1200 to $1300 and I seriously doubt many are going to upgrade with prices that high. The vapor chamber is one of the reasons why the P870DM2/3 can achieve such cool temps compared to other DTR's out there.

If you want low temps, the VC is the way to go. Don't take my word for it, many single 1080 P870DM2/3 owners have or upgraded to the VC because of its cooling capabilities. Even if you upgrade your setup to 1080 SLI, I'm sure you can sell off the VC later on.

Fortunately, you will have a delidded LM CPU, which will help with temps, but you might regret not getting the VC now.

 

Just recieved my NP9873-S and love it. Question though..I dont know anything about overclocking and the pc came with built in software to overclock the cpu and gpu's.
How do I know what to overclock to? Will it let me max it out to the point of damaging something? Please, any info would help. Thx
Copied and pasted the specs.

Components
Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor ( 8MB Smart Cache, 4.0GHz)
- 17.3" 4K QFHD Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology (3840 x 2160)
- Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 GPU with 8GB GDDR5 Video Memory + 2x 330W AC Adapters & Power Converter Box
- IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- Windows® 10 Home 64-Bit Edition Preinstalled
- 16GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 2400MHz - 2 X 8GB
- 512GB SanDisk X400 M.2 SSD - as an OS Drive (Primary Drive C)
- 1TB 7200rpm SATA2 Hard Drive
- Killer™ Dual Band Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 AC Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Module

 

Ok I'll get the VC now. Any news on the bios?

 

Hello Bro,

For all interested fans Mod Notepal U3 Plus.

The Noctua Industrial 3000 (RPM) are without doubt the best fans to buy when it comes to airflow.
But the volume is then a number too big. Measured 60 to 70 dbA!
Factory specification 43dbA.
In addition, PWM fans have the habit of constantly stopping and starting the fans. At high speed one does not notice this.
But already at under 1800 RPM one hears this constantly on and off the fan.

However, there is also something positive.
Temperatures go noticeably into the basement.
4-5 degrees C down CPU and GPU are already possible at 1400 RPM.
At even higher RPM of course still more. GPU had the peak temperature 54 degrees C and CPU (4.2 GHZ) 58 degrees Celsius at 22.1 degrees room temperature(1h Fallout 4).

And if you use the Sony USB adapter 5V to 12V - then they run with an estimated 1600 RPM Peak and the temperatures remain low.
In addition, the fans are quiet and no longer switch on and off, since I no longer use the external power supply with 4 pin Molex but only the current from the Sony adapter 2 Pin Molex Adapter.

I ordered the LOW NOISE Adapter PWM from Noctua.
Let's see if they can cut the dbA a bit.

 

Good choice of components.
The Clevo P870DM3G is currently the best notebook on the market.
The other manufacturers, such as MSI, offer the weaker Mobil i7 6820HQ et cetera CPUs.

 

The low noise adapter simply cuts the voltage to the fan slowing it down to save on noise.

 

You wont regret it. Was a 10C+ difference for me upgrading to the VC.

Edit: As far as the memory it is up to you on the 2400 or the 3000 but if your going to overclock your ram I think more people were having issues with overclocking with 4 sticks than with 2. My Sager 2400 came with Goldkey and here were the factory settings.



I was able to get to the following settings but did not run them for long so not sure how stable they were.

 

And the RPM from the fans will go down.
As a result, it becomes quieter.
How quiet, then will show.

The over 70 dbA Peak are too high.

As the very last I will test the days two Fractal Design Venturi HF-14 - fans 140mm.
They have an airflow greater than 200 m³ / h.
And those are 3 pin fans.
They are also not so loud at Max fans 26.5 dB (A) according to the manufacturer's specification.
Then I'm done with my mod and decide me for the fans that I will use in the future.

 

Right and my point was effectively making the cooling not as good. By how much only testing will tell and also why I said cslwoibg the fans down to save noise.

 

Well I decided to skip the whole budget thing and just get the dual 1080s and go with 64GB of the 2400mhz.

 

Do it the right the first time and avoid future headaches and possible complications. Probably cheaper now than later.

 

Nice, 64GB is certainly going to be enough for some time.

 

32gb is more than enough unless your running some crazy VM's or developer of sorts.

 

Bruh

 

There you go! You are going to love your beast. Get ready to destroy 99% of the other DTR's out there and likely 90% of the desktops too. I really miss my old one but I am officially going to rebuy mine in the first week of Jan from HIDevolution. I'm going to have that and the Tornado F5 R2. It's going to be a happy post holiday season for me.

As for the PremaMod, they are still being tested. I'm sure it won't be much longer.

 

First of all, welcome to the P870DM3 family! You have a beast in your hands.

1.) Don't worry about overclocking anything at this point. You have plenty of time to do that. The immediate thing to do is get familiar with your computer. You want to know/record where your current temps are. That should be the first thing you do whenever you get a new computer in my opinion. You want a complete baseline.

1a) Download HWinfo64 and 3DMark (free is okay for now).

When you have downloaded and installed those, let us know in the Clevo Overclock Lounge. We will help you further there.

 

Ok last thing now I know I was saying the 2400mhz but should I go with the g.skill?

 

I would but that is up to you. 32GB 2x16 should be way more than enough and everyone over in the Clevo overclockers lounge I'm sure would be happy to help you get the best overclock out of the ram. Lots of helpful and knowledgeable people on this forum. If your willing to overclock them go for the 3000 MHz but I would not expect them to just work at xmp1 right off the bat unless your lucky. You might have to do some tweeking to get them stable.