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    *** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

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    Well, here we go...hold on to your wallet. The upgrade kit is now available. Just search for - GTX 1080 Upgrade Kit.

    The good news is, if you already have the GPU Vaper Chamber + matching CPU heatsink, you don't have to buy it again with the kit.
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    I agree...32GB is enough for almost anyone...although @Phoenix may disagree :D
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Dec 20, 2016
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    Hi Bro,

    For all the brave enough here are times a picture of an Aqua tuner based on a PC GTX 1080.
    The nonconductive heat transfer paste would be a better solution for some - maybe even for Hidevolution - to cool the GPU even better.
    This is where Liquid Metal works on the GPU chip.
    And to prevent the leakage, the nonconductive thermal paste is pasted around the GPU.

    At your own risk!

    The whole project of the Aqua Tuner can be seen here:

    http://www.meisterkuehler.de/forum/...920-projekt-eigenbau-grafikkartenkuehler.html

    It is a German Forum!
    So the language ist German.
     

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    Give meh teh maximum RAMMAGE @64GB. I only use 4GB personally the rest goes for bragging rights :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi Donald @ Hidevolution,

    The nice thing is, that the Riva Tuner server indicates the memory used in games (physical memory load)!

    And since almost 16 GB of RAM are enough for games.
    Applications require even less memory.
    Who uses 64 GB - should perhaps a RAM DISK set up and the memory useful as a cache.
     
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    I just pulled the trigger. I went with dual 1080s, 3k display, silicon lottery delid, 1tb 7200 HDD (I have 3 Samsung SSD sitting on my desk doing nothing), 64GB g.skill 3000. Donald and Ted over at HIDevolution were the most helpful people. I highly recommend anyone looking to purchase to go through HID.

    Now I wait by the door for delivery. @Phoenix I'm hoping to get a session with you when this thing gets here.

    Thanks everyone for helping me out.
     
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    Nice, although having an external radiator in a notebook would kind of defeat the point :p
     
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    you sure will my friend. Once you get it, you can tag me again and I will send you a PM with how we can connect.

    I will then see if you need any tweaking, disable all the Windows 10 bloatware / privacy invasion junk, and give you new settings for the 3000 MHz. RAM that help make them more stable.

    Once the Prema BIOS is finalized, you will get another session as well where I will walk you through all the BIOS options and help you in any overclocking concerns.

    Great choice you went with the Silicon Lottery delidded CPU like me, makes our lives easier :D no more playing the russian roulette with these 6700K CPUs
     
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    I wonder how the next one will fare with average vs best clocks.
     
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    This is not so absurd.
    You could theoretically if you have fun - in the buttom case drill a hole and operate an external radiator and that also in connection with a water cooling.
    Asus sells his notebook with a water cooling system.
    An Alienware notebook hobbyist has already implemented this.

    http://www.asetek.com/press-room/ne...liquid-cooling-for-laptop-and-all-in-one-pcs/

    Here is the most crazy water cooling:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2987...xcessive-wildly-exotic-pc-cooling-setups.html

    The Christmas PC I find cute! - Picture 6 :)
     
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    The Asus is heavy and still noisy and the alienware did not release as internal systems don't have a large radiator to get the benefit.

    Hence why I said what I did :)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 21, 2016
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    It is funny, you would more likely be burning the power pins off of the plug or popping traces off of the PCB's.
     
    Tishers, Dec 21, 2016
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    Does anyone have any real pictures of the 780W power supply that they're allowed to share?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    izombot, Dec 22, 2016
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    Please be patient...it will only be another day or two.
     
    Donald@Paladin44, Dec 22, 2016
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    No worries. Thanks!


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    You gon be like
     
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    Only you get two :D
     
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    Yes, this is true. Teh FPS will explode
     
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    I cannot figure out how to apply a CPU undervolt in the bios. It says -500 to 500 but I can't figure out how to make it go negative. Tried minus keys and arrows,and about every other key I could think of. Also I only have very few options compared to what I had on my P870DM, both purchased from HID, not sure what is going on. BIOS bootup says something like "Note"which is really odd.
     
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    Wait for Prema BIOS to be released. That is the stock BIOS right now.
     
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    I would leave the voltage at stock until we get the Prema BIOS

    As you said, the stock BIOS is messed up, you cannot enter a negative value. I told @Meaker@Sager about this
     
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    Oh wow, thanks guys. No Prema BIOS after this long? I knew there was a BIOS being tested but I assumed it was an updated version, not the first version for this model lol. In all my reading I missed any mention of this (not that I read every post on every page).

    Now I understand why Donald mentioned it. I was thinking to myself, I'm not waiting for for a simple update, not realizing it was the whole deal.
     
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    still in early Beta bro, needs a lot of work as this is a whole new revamped BIOS that will turn your machine into a beast
     
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    Early January
     
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    Well, very in depth would cover the kind of specs Hardocp would look at, but still sufficient for most people :p

    I would have though some rubber surrounds around the edges like you see on some bench equipment would have helped the design:

    http://www.loneoceans.com/labs/tekpower/DP832A.jpg

    (thinner and in black to match the casing either end) it would also make it a bit more rugged.

    Looks solid though, it would be fun to have a proper look at :)
     
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    You are more than welcome to buy one @Meaker :twitchy:
     
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    I'm tempted, but I also have the 7700K and maybe a second SM961 on the cards so as delicious as this cherry on top looks it might have to wait.
     
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    Pls hook me up with a golden sample 7700K from Sager preferably if it can be sponsored by them
     
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    Me first :p Batch testing some trays could be fun for some but would take some time.
     
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    Such as? Please forgive me; I'm a marine engineering systems major just out of school so electronics isn't my forte.


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    Looks great! Nice it has the LCD display, and like the manual power switch near the 3 prong wall input as well.

    Looking forward to getting mine in January!! :D
     
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    Me too, can't wait!
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    You
    You could try out override if you like. I have not been using adaptive but have just figured out what to run mine at. For instance 4.3x4, 4.2 cache is stable at 1070mv for me.
     
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    i could imagine it being more accurate than an external watt-o-meter at the socket :) at least that would be my minimal expectation :D

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    Basically a detailed spec sheet would have graphs over a variety of tests rather than giving discreet values. That along with transient load testing.

    It's a good basic spec sheet, but for detailed I am quite picky.
     
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    I want to get one just so I can pull it out at a coffee shop and ask where a plugin is. Would be worth it just for the looks I would get.
     
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    It's quite funny having the machine on the train, it does get a few looks.
     
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    Yea same for Starbucks... Where most people either use tablets or their featherweight MacBooks :rolleyes:

    It's awesome when they ask why it's so big, and then seeing their astonished look when you tell them it'll outperform most desktops! :cool:
     
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    My P870DM2 has been acting strangely since yesterday. When I press the power button it turns off and then powers down before the screen turns on. When I press the power again it starts normally. Has anyone else had this issue? The only thing that happened before this is that I flew and when I put my laptop back in my bag after the security check I got a substantial electrical shock.

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    Mine does the same since day one. Hoping Prema Bios will fix this.

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G928F mit Tapatalk
     
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    Oh that looks so very very very lovely. It has fans too, means it might need a little cleaning now and then?

    That being said, I think it's pretty lovely-looking. We all know @Mr. Fox will get two :biggrin:

    Either way we've needed some improvements like this for quite some time!
     
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    Ha. The sad part is it'll cost many times the price of that filter to get it shipped here haha. If it still allows enough airflow (my country is *HOT* and humid) then if I were to get one of those I'd certainly look into it. Thanks!
     
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