*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

Nice! Looking forward to getting at least a couple of those bad boys. I haven't received the first one yet. I will post some photos and do a short review/video when I do. I am very glad @Eurocom Support is selling these now. Kudos to them for taking time to develop this exciting new product for us. Much cleaner solution than dual 330W bricks. I'll probably buy a second one after I get my 2015 income tax refund.

 

oh yeah. I hope this sparks the industry forward into innovation. Very grateful to @Eurocom Support for that. Laptops need to stop getting the short end of the stick! Let's get some really good gear in here!

 

If fastboot is enabled in the BIOS. Disable it. And see if that helps.

 

Totally agree. Laptop buyers also need to stop buying garbage. We get what we (collectively) are willing to put up with. If too many of us are willing to pay money for feces, guess what we get... more feces.

 

That new 780w power supply, it should work with any laptop that shares the 330 power supplies with the 4-pin correct?

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It will work with any identical connection that requires the same voltage and polarity.

 

There is a bit of concern, I think the 780w pushes a bit more voltage than the dual 330w.

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0.5v, it should be okay. I'm sure they did testing on it.

 

Hi guys, I've been away for a while. I'm not sure if this question is ok to ask here. I. Purchased a Eurocom Sky X9 E2 with a single 1070. I'm a general remodeling contractor and I'm Using my computer mainly for Chief Architect and my estimating software. In having trouble with the CCC. Will the Prema Bios fix this issue, and will I be able to get it from eurocom? If not, could Prema sell it to me directly? If so Prema, could you contact me directly. Thank you

 

Yes, you will be eligible for the Prema bios, but it is not ready yet. It is in beta at the moment, to my knowledge. What, specifically, is your problem? Is it the fan profiles (the fans go crazy after install), setting of lights, or something else? We'll need more to help...

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Sometimes the fans don't work properly, it changes settings on its own. I't changes my cpu settings frequently. I'm deal with the issues until Prema is all set.
Thank you
Jon

 

You are plagued with the XTU problem. Since they incorporated xtu into CCC, the xtu changes the fan profile. There is a fix, but you may not like it!

First, you have to reset the nvflash. I don't have the machine, but have read many talk about it in the OC lounge. Easiest way, flash the bios and EC., then reset the EC.

Second, reinstall Windows.

Third, modify a file in the CCC. That is easy and can be done in notepad. Don't let that intimidate you. It turns off xtu from getting fan control.

Fourth, install CCC.

I'm going from memory, but it is detailed in the Clevo overclock lounge and maybe elsewhere in this thread. Someone else may be able to describe in more detail.
@Phoenix, @Papusan, @Mr. Fox, @bloodhawk, @Meaker@Sager - could one of you fine gentlemen help this fine sir by giving more detailed instructions or linking to the post containing the instructions. Thank you in advance!

Edit: I do apologize for the issue and understand the annoyance/hardship for a work machine. We have identified the work around and informed many resellers and distributors to inform Clevo. I wish it was simpler or we could have let you know in advance.

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Is there any way to set the max fans from an external keyboard without the control center installed? Doesn't seem to be a way to assign the "fn" key, because it's not a normal key that the OS sees. My setup has the laptop out of reach, underneath my rolling desk so it is a huge pain to crawl on floor to set the max fan on and off.

Post above mine has the reason why I didn't install CCC (even though I like the light controls, profiles and fan controls built into it).

 

FN+1.

EDIT : My bad, didn't realize external. You can maybe try checking what that key registers as while recording macros. That might help.

Uninstall XTU. CCC. AND Reset CMOS/NVRAM.
After which only install CCC I'd you really need the Overclock fan profile. For most other use, Automatic is good enough.

There is a way to clear NVRAM by using FN+D AT POWER UP.

 

I once tried setting FN to other keys using key input register programs, but it never actually registered. It's basically, as far as I can tell, a modifier to the key you press. Windows doesn't even see that you've pressed it.

 

And I can put in... @Jon Webb If you don't know how to make CCC without Xtu services, I think @TBoneSan have posted a download link for Latest version of CCC, but without Xtu.

 

Hiya guys,
Got my P870DM2-G in europe from CEG-hardcorecustom.
When they sent it to me it was a disaster; sli not working, defective cards etc. Returned it, they upgraded my chargers to 330w for this issue and to cover my shipping, which was a nice gesture on their part.
Behold, the laptop comes back, SLI is working properly and all, temps hit 94C - definitely bad heatsink contact or not contact at all. I specifically asked them to upgrade my heatsink to the one that the P870DM3-G has, because I noticed my heatsinks were flat on the bottom where they connect to the card, while the single heat plate that the DM3 has has little bumps where it connects to the GPU cores (seemingly better contact). They told me it was impossible, that it "wouldn't fit." So they send me back the Clevo, claiming it "works." I'm waiting for the Christmas holidays to be over to send it back for a second time.
From my experience, speakers, although louder, are inferior in quality to the M18X Alienware laptop. Keyboard's good, display's a pleasure, my CPU works horrendously and gets very low scores, and the SLI firestirke test yields no more than 18k in SLI. GPU usage varies on the last test (combined). The CPU test also performs poorly. I was thinking maybe it's time for a return or something, because I don't want to deal with people who define "working" and "tested" in such a way. This GPU is a constant 90C +.

 

With the relevant cpu heatsink the vapor chamber heatsink will fit any DM2/DM3 configuration.

 

So basically they're talking nonsense. And my other question is, cause they obviously can't answer, why does the DM3 VC have those elevations to properly connect to the GPU while the dm2 heatsink, which are very good heatsinks by the way, are designed, and I say designed, with flat plates so as not to connect? :jackiechanmeme:
Relevant CPU heatsink? It's all in one place.

 

The base level of the vapor chamber is higher so it can sit over the inductors as a single piece to allow the vapor inside to flow freely. Therefore the heatsink has to then have protrusions down.

The cpu heatsink is a separate piece and there is a specific version that can screw into the gpu heatsink on the vapor chamber heatsink (they can't be installed in one go, cpu first then gpu)

 

Do they not have any kind of testing / quality control before shipping out the laptops?

This is why I always recommend HIDevolution, you get the Prema BIOS, superb thermal paste application jobs using the X Cross method, Prema BIOS / VBIOS, awesome customer service, factory CPU delidding to make the temps lower, and lots of other benefits

See:

Spoiler: Prema BIOS/VBIOS Benefits

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

HIDevolution's Warranty!

Once you return your laptop, if you want to order it from HIDevolution, you can email [email protected] and give him your forums username to get a discount

See my review of this laptop and focus on the first part where I mention why it is best to go with a Prema Partner even if it costs a little bit more:

EVOC P870DM3 Review by Phoenix

 

I'd love to, but I'm in Europe and AFAIK they're an American firm, which means import charges. I don't know how to work around that. I have already seen their configuration website tho, looks sick. I'd go with the silicon lottery and their support anytime, cause obviously they know what they're doing. Here's what happened to me:
First, I ordered the laptop barebone - no CPU RAM HDD. After I installed my stuff, SLI wasn't working. There was throttling. They wanted the SLI cable back, I said no way, get your laptop back and fix it, paid 100 euro for shipment back to Germany (I'm from Bulgaria). They upgraded my chargers to compensate. By the way, the fan controller cables had been messed up at the factory, the guys from CEG had never ever opened it - and the Slave GPU fan cable was going into the master slot and vice versa. LOL.
So yeah they return it to me and claim "working." SLI is working but 94C GPU temp... Now they've answered me that they only work after new years, fair enough.
But, about the Prema bios, I thought we could all get it once it's ready, no matter where we got our laptops from.
You know man, I've a thing against buying a brand new model laptop that already has issues we have to fix. I thought this would be the greatest since I've seen a lot of good words posted about them on the forums here, from knowledgeable guys. Maybe I'm dealing with the wrong people, maybe my fault is that I'm not from the US where it's electronics heaven. I thought after buying this, my Alienware nightmares would be over and it's happening all over again. lol.
@Meaker@Sager thanks for the info, very useful. Now I got it. This still doesn't explain why my heatsinks don't cool the GPUs off then, since they're not elevated and hence don't need protrusions. Clevo design ftw. Too bad for the otherwise solid heatsinks.

 

there is one European Prema Partner I think, check Prema Partners

I think Dream Machines is your best bet if you're in Europe and don't want to pay import taxes

And no, the Prema BIOS won't be available to all once its ready, only to Prema Partner shops

The CPU throttling is because you are on the stock BIOS. The Prema BIOS fixes the throttling which is usually happening anytime the CPU/GPU are being used at the same time. ie. in a game or benchmark that involves the GPU

Finally, your CPU overheating issue may be because you see, the 6700K CPUs have very high voltage for stock clock speeds by default, thus, one needs to undervolt it by around -140mV to get the temps down and still have a stable CPU

For a 4.4 GHz overclock, then a -80 mV is a good starting point

But with Silicon Lottery Delidded CPUs, you remove the guess work as they are cherry picked and are known to run cooler.......

First system I had was a barebone Clevo P870DM-G with a 6700K that couldn't even run stable at 4.2 GHz x4 (on all cores that is). Next system which was a Eurocom Sky X9 also had a 6700K, this time a bit better, it was able to do 4.3 GHz stable.

I have seen many users here complain about high temps even at stock speeds. The 6700K is a hit or miss, 50-50 chance to get a good one. Even if you don't want to overclock, spending a bit more to get a Silicon Lottery one ensures your CPU will run cooler overclocked or not. Giving you better thermals and longevity since the CPU won't be running hot constantly.
This Silicon Lottery CPU I got (rated to run @4.8GHz in a desktop) can run @ 4.7 GHz not very stable pr 4.6 GHz stable all day long with max temps of 85C no matter what I throw at it.

If it was my money, I'd pay a bit more to get it from a reputed reseller like HIDevolution and not have to deal with returns and RMAs.......imagine all the time you are waiting and sitting without a laptop. but hey, if you can't afford it, it's not for everyone

Also note, HIDevolution uses the X Cross paste method for both the CPU and GPU:

The X Cross method is the best in my experience as once the heatsink is fitted, it provides the maximum coverage with the least air bubbles

 

Thank you you guys @ajc9988 and @Papusan. I appreciate all the help.

 

Thanks @bloodhawk

 

If it were my personal machine I would take the heatsinks off, check the paste job and pads to make sure the contact was good.

 

Nah, did that last time, remember it was barebone so I had to the first time it arrived. Despite my best efforts, I personally couldn't push it down onto the GPU well enough, despite tightening all the bolts.

 

You pay your VAT when you buy in Europe anyway.

We include all import related taxes to Europe. We ship first to the UK, then on to any EU country. This way we collect from you and pre-pay the UK 20% VAT, but then shipping from the UK to any EU country is VAT free, and it eliminates all the hassles at Customs were you to import directly from the USA. With International Priority shipping it takes 2 business days to the UK, then another 3-7 working days to your door.
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Correction, they are not rated to run cooler, they are rated to run on a desktop at a specific multiplier and voltage. Usually, lower voltage means lower heat. Also, higher multiplier at the same voltage doesn't necessarily mean cooler, but likely means less heat at that multiplier than a CPU that requires more voltage at the same multiplier. We say cooler for short-hand, as lower voltage often means less heat output, but it is good to make sure people understand what is being said.

To those who have not seen it, please read my discussion and Johnksss's responses in the Clevo overclocking lounge thread, posted last night.

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That's interesting, I didn't know you did all that. Sounds awesome =D

 

you're right, but all I know from a user perspective is, with my standard 6700Ks that I had before, I couldn't run lower than 95C at stock speeds / stock voltage

with the Silicon Lottery CPU, I can run @ 4.6 GHz with 0 negative voltage offset (ie. stock voltage)

I realize that it is not meant to run cooler but that's what the user perceives anyway

 

Yes, but the way it was worded could give a false perception. Say you have two CPUs, one binned for [email protected] and one binned for [email protected]. Someone may confuse this to mean that you get the same heat output on both CPUs except the second one is faster. That is not necessarily the case. The second one may run hotter than the first one when set to the higher multiplier while the first one uses a lower multiplier, but would likely be cooler than the first one if the first one was clocked to 4.8 but using a higher voltage. I want to avoid the confusion that not spelling that out can cause!

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My sager was the same on temps being in the 90's originally. Took some adjusting vcore, delid, adding vapor chamber to get the temps down. Add that all up and your looking at the same price or maybe less to just have HID evolution do it for you and not have to worry about it plus the prema bios and to keep your warranty valid.

 

if you delid yourself, your CPU warranty is void. if the reseller does it for you, then they cover the CPU warranty despite it being delided, they would have to pay from their own pockets to replace the CPU if it goes bad but that's a risk they take.

Oh, show me how can your Sager laptop can do this:

 

You still get good samples in the pool you know

 

I can do 4.6 just not 4.7 around the same temps. Without a silicon lottery chip an additional power supply not going to happen with higher clocks for me.

Edit: Taking that back I don't believe my temps would run that low will have to run it at a later date when I have time because my maximum vcore was higher at 4.6 in order to be stable. Only benches I ran at the time were 3dmark and the temps for that test were around 80C.

 

well that's awesome still, you were one of the lucky few who received a good 6700K. I am unlucky man, the 2 previous CPUs ran @ 93C even at stock clocks, forget about any overclocking so I had enough and that's why I got the Silicon Lottery one. It's all in the hands of the Silicon Lottery Gods what you get

 

So even with a delid they ran that high at stock clocks? If so that was no bueno.

 

Yeah i guess it depends on the chip. I might have gotten lucky with mine. Because at stock without a delid mine reached 85C at max. After delid and 4.6ghz @ - 77 offset, i top out at 75C. And this is a non SL CPU.

 

Give a damn in warranty. I have only one time seeing a failed processor

And 82C degrees is way too hot for 4.6GHz bro Are you using toothpaste? J/K

Be happy you don't purchase a JokeBook. With soldered Junk from Intel, you would be screwed I mean... Really screwed

 

I've got myself a hot-ish Skylake chip this round. My previous DM1 ran cooler at similar clocks.
Just running 4.5Gghz for 24/7 and am having trouble getting 4.7ghz stable.

 

I understand what @ajc9988 say.
But same voltage, same batch, same speed, sometimes can one of two chip run hotter.
You have variations in the chips (leakage), Paste even liquid metal under IHS, IHS shape, etc ... all kinds of variables can make chips work differently regarding temp. Some chips are hotter than other although same clock speed, voltage, good heatsink and well done paste job. But not the normal.

 

You could write a book on every variable! I'm just trying to remind people that are wanting to buy binned chips that they may not be considering many important elements. In fact, it is rare, but there are a few chips that may use slightly (small amount) more volts, but for other factors, run cooler. It can even come down to variances in different laptops that are not chip related. But my goal is to make sure people understand what is really being said and bought when they read the stats of a binned chip for purchase...

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I know + they pay a higher price for almost no gains. Would only tell a bit more in this high temp story.
I haven't seen much of SL chips clock better than retail chips + give higher top noch bench scores with laptops. Desktops is another matter. Another story

 

I have a hypothesis on this. The first p7xxDM1 had temp issues at first (although better than the ZM). I wonder if Clevo started testing to get better chips by the time the p870dm was made. Also, the later binned ones (from this year or even since this summer) from SL made the percentage that reached [email protected] or less volts increase, meaning all the newer machines were more likely to be in the 4.7 and 4.8 groups with off the shelf chips than when the 6700K was released. Whether Clevo checked is up for question, the chips being better this year isn't...

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I can only see more processors clock higher now than earlier in Clevo's. Maybe more people push their hardware harder or the binning is better. Or both

 

Yeah , im having serious trouble stabilizing my 6700k in my DM1 at anything over 4.9ghz, even when on top of an AC. The same processor works all dandy on a desktop board @ 5.1Ghz.
Its does 4.9ghz no problem. but anything over that, the system either throttles or freezes.

 

I know nothing about wPrime but when I ran it at 32M it was more like 24 seconds. Either something is weird with my settings or did you change some settings when running it?

 

More are trying to tune Clevos it seems (great for the community)! Still, happy to see the same old faces and glad I got to meet some of the people coming from AW!
BTW, did you bench a ZM at 4.7ghz around the time of release? I know it's been almost two years now...

I have a similar issue with my ZM. Above 5.1...
Part of that may be the board itself...



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Ya I don't really care that much about the warranty either just more concerned with not having a Prema Bios more than anything. I am much better with the hardware side than the overclocking side and could fix something or replace if it goes down.