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Well best I can do for now as I have never messed around with throttlestop. Would need some tweeking to get the voltage down some as the temps are high but it will sustain the test at 4.6 (Edit: or 4593 rather). Lower scores though probably due to some throttling.

 

No I haven't. I jumped of the sinking AW ship fast I could and back to Clevo Aka P870.
And never looked back

 

Finally after a long long wait of months, im typing from my new EVOC, thank you @Donald@HIDevolution for all your help! is working great so far.
i just installed the latest nvidia drivers (3.76.33) and it doesnt have the fast sync option in nvcp, anyone can confirm if nvdia just disabled this or is it something broken in my drivers?

 

@Phoenix I would like to know though how did you lock in your voltage and clocks? Was this all due to throttlestop or did prema bios have something to do with it? Looking at your voltages they did not change much throughout the test. Time for some sleep!

 

I started getting BSOD's the last day or so. I can't pin it down to any one thing. Using bluescreenviewer the only thing in common with all 5 dump files I have currently is ntoskrnl.exe.

Window update is up to date. I have disconnected my external drives, tried a different video driver, and tried sfc /scannow which found no issues.

Sometimes it will go for hours, other times it blue screen minutes after rebooting. This has made it very difficult to get games downloaded and my data copied over as it kept crashing. I was copying large amounts of data over to internal drives, re-encoding videos, playing games and downloading during the last couple of days. I do not think it is temp related as it seems to run very cool. I also went back to stock bios settings which did not appear to make it any better (was running at 4.4ghz the first couple days with no issues.

I tried loading my minidump file into an online scanner to help me figure out what is wrong, and it looks like it needs "symbols" setup but I couldn't find any instructions on what exactly I need to to. At this point I would rather re-install again, than to learn the ins and out of the mini dump files. The problem is without knowing what is causing it, it likely will come back as I am just now getting everything all setup how I want it.

 

Try lower your ram speed(maybe do a Nvram reset). You have problems with moving large sets of data, maybe ram issues.

 

It's running where HID put it, at XMP 2 I believe which is 3000. I will try to set it at whatever it's default is (2133 or 2400 maybe) *looks like default is 2400

 

I think 2400MXz is default. Try it. Still problems maybe try Nvram reset and default bios settings. Worst case reset ram sticks.

 

These are the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM Settings that Mr. Fox gave me and they stabilized the RAM big time on XMP 1 (but u have to choose custom) even which is lower timings:

For Stock BIOS:



For Prema BIOS: (more options):

 

Now it won't boot. I'm googling nvram reset now.

 

easy....
hold FN + D + Power button and keep holding all 3 of them until the reset happens

seems like your RAM might be one of the newer batches which are not as good as the first batch

 

I tried that but it doesn't seem to work after 30 seconds or 1 min, not sure how long is too long. Yeah I likely got a reject batch that you guys sent back in Now I really wish I wrote down the XMP settings before I switched to custom. XMP2 was running at 3000 but after I went back to default both XMP showed 2400 (1200).

 

you need to ensure they are all hold simultaneously.......first FN + D then press power and hold all 3 of them together.....that works on the stock BIOS

you need to keep holding until you see the NVRAM reset message

last resort, perform a manual NVRAM reset:

• Disconnect AC adapter (leave system battery installed)
• Take out the keyboard and leave it face down on palm rest, ribbon cables still connected
• Disconnect CMOS battery and leave it out about 30 seconds
• Reinsert CMOS battery (if you have a USB keyboard, use that for now instead of the laptop keyboard)
• Connect AC adapter and power on again
• Wait up to 3 minutes. If nothing happens on your screen, power off using the power button and power on again, then wait up to a few minutes
• If the machine begins powering off and on again in a loop, power off and on again manually
• (UEFI has to identify the RAM, find and set the timings, etc. so be patient)
• Once the UEFI Reset warnings appear (smaller blue boxes) on your screen hit Enter 3x and start spamming F2 immediately
• Enter Setup and adjust everything the way you want it to be
• Put the keyboard and bottom cover back on again once everything is working the way you want it to

Credit: Mr. Fox

 

Ok, I'll have to try that as I can't believe that it requires multiple minutes of holding them all down. Now I have two laptops that won't boot, grrr.

 

it will take almost 30 secs even with a manual NVRAM reset. very easy fix bro

Please return your RAM and get the 2800 MHz variants of it until G.Skill release a newer batch that fixes this mess. They are aware about this problem

 

At 60 second mark of holding all three down the system turns off. It doesn't reset for me. Black screen, nothing other than fans and keyboard lights. I'll have to try the long method when I get more time to mess with it. I guess no more games for me today.

 

I hope you're on the stock BIOS as that worked for me on the stock BIOS, not sure it works on the Prema BIOS

sorry man if I caused you any inconvenience, I was trying to help as these settings work for me and Mr. Fox perfectly and with 16-18-1818 timings

 

@Phoenix do you have the fast sync option in nvcp (3.76.33) ?

 

Fast Sync doesn't work on SLI

If you disable SLI you'll notice it's back

for SLI, choose VSYNC On (smooth)

 

Manuel NVRAM reset take 5-15 minutes to fix. Not a big deal. P870DM2/3 is similar like older DM1. Look into the video from @Mr. Fox https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/4/
Also a teardown and resetting of your ram sticks is very easy to do if needed.

 

It's not your fault. Like a gun owner that shot himself you wouldn't blame a fellow enthusiast. I knew the risks. I appreciate the fast help you guys give here.

 

other than the Dual GTX 1080, this laptop IMHO is a big downgrade (so far until the final Prema BIOS is out) from the stable P870DM that worked great with all RAM, this one is so sensitive, throttles, and IMO is an unfinished product.

The good news is that all this will soon be fixed but not sure about the RAM if you have the new batch though. We deseperately need some new RAM

I wonder how the Corsair 3000 MHz is coping with this laptop

 

Did the same thing today, trying to fix ram timings. Had to remove power cord and main battery and hold down power button for 30 seconds. Then put back main battery but not the power cord, then I pressed FN + D and power button for 5 secs and NVRAM was reset! Now it boots normal again.

 

No success. You will find test of Corsair 3000MHz ram in the OC thread. I think even @Mr. Fox tried those sticks with not so happy ending.

 

Is it just me or did anyone notice that this new 780w power supply is over a foot long? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it needed to be to be able to fit everything in there (as others mentioned it looks like a rackmount server power supply) but man that thing is huge.

Not sure if I'll get it to replace the two I have that will go in my backpack or not. I may still do it. Just wasn't expecting something that long.


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Yeah it may not work as good in a bag, hard to say. But it is even more power than dual 330s, and takes out the 2to1 adapter and simplifies the whole desk setup. No worries about one supply taking too much of the load, plus it's fan cooled.

I still want one.

I am not too worried, I really think Prema will come thru for us. I don't see how you guys are overclocking so far already but maybe some are just testing the Prema bios? Even GPU overclocking isn't making a difference for me.

Hey I tried putting in those memory settings you gave me again, and it worked this time. So either it was some random fluke or I typed them in wrong initially, I am going with the latter. Now the true test will be if I can go a couple days without a BSOD.

I've got it going again using the memory timings a couple pages back. I will continue to trouble shoot my BSODs. Hoping its a driver or possibly memory timings. Time will tell. I do not think it's a hardware issue.

 

I was surprised they didn't work for you, they worked for many others including me

Glad u got it sorted

 

It is still much smaller, and probably more important, lighter than 2x 330W + Converter box.
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To what are you referring?
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I can't PM you! Are you testing the Prema BIOS? Your scores on firestrike are many thousands higher than mine.

I know my CPU is throttling a bit with the stock BIOS (I can see it in the results graph) but my GPU clocks are higher than yours! and yet my graphics score is 10% lower. And overclocking them to the edge made almost no difference in my score. Something else has to be going on, maybe severe GPU throttling too? My GPU temps are mid 40s to mid 50s throughout the entire test. CPU peaks at 64 in one test but the others it's in the 40s. I've tried a few video drivers and not much change there either.

Even the BGA 1080sli notebooks are kicking my butt, what am I missing here?

 

until @Prema is complete with his updated bios, this system is flawed. The laptop works, but mine definitely can't be messed with. (over clocked)

 

I can understand that, but it seems others are getting 10-20% more performance with the same settings as me, I just don't understand. If they are running stock EC/BIOS then I really want to know what I am doing wrong. I did not mess with CCC or XTU at all so that can't be hurting me. Temps are good and both adapters appear to be connected and powered up.

 

"Just wasn't expecting something that long"


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Did you try asking your reseller for an updated version of your factory bios & ec?

 

No but I can, I assumed since I just got it on Friday that mine is the latest that was available to them.

 

Prema BIOS fixes the CPU throttling that's the reason my score is higher

Secondly, my GPUs are clocked +150 MHz core and +300 MHz memory

Change power management in NVCPL to high performance and texture filtering to high performance

Disable DSR
Disable GSYNC
Disable VSYNC

Then reboot

 

Ok, I was thinking you were not on Prema yet, that makes more sense then.

My GPU's are at 200/340 and still scores lower than yours by a good amount. From stock clocks to those only goes up a tiny amount, just a little each time I OC, it just seems like it is being power throttled likely by the stock bios i would guess.

CPU I don't care as much about as I know it is throttling and will be fixed, plus I will not run it too high anyway and wont really help in my games either, just the GPU's.

I have set the max perf power and high perf textures in NVCP.

Pretty sure DSR is not available in SLI so it has to be disabled, Gsync I do disable when I bench, same with vsync.

The only thing I hadn't done is reboot, and I wouldn't have believed anyone saying it would matter but after a reboot after turning gsync off it scored 600 pts above my max so far. Same settings, and matter of fact that additional 600 pts is more than my stock runs to my current settings (and this run I didn't chnage any overclock settings at all).

Still many thousands below yours at lower settings but since I am on stock BIOS I am hopeful that is the majority of the difference.

 

You are being frame limited.

My stock bios and stock ec.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11208481/fs/11104980

 

We didn't say to do that...

DSR works in SLI and Gsync now. MFAA does not work in SLI though, neither Fast Sync.

#nVidia

What BIOS are you on? As far as I know, the EC needs to end in .04 or something (I'm sorry I don't remember the exact EC off-hand, but others here can easily tell you which it is). What scores are you checking? Graphics or total? Your total will be rather skewed with a throttling CPU. Also, what are your temperatures? The cards throttle at higher temperatures, so if you're running at 85c and they're using an A/C and running at 60c, their FPS will be higher.

 

Well I don't know what else he meant by "and texture filtering to high performance". The only setting I know of that deals with textures is "texture filtering - quality". I don't think it makes much(any) difference nowadays, but years ago it forced 3dmark to use lower quality textures/filtering, giving up visuals for better performance.

There is no DSR in the 3dmark progam settings in the NVCP. Just for giggles I checked the global settings and you are right, it is there. I've never used or found any use for it yet. Usually I have enough troubles running games at native I don't need to go above native.

Bios 1.05.02
EC 1.05.08

 

To me, setting texture filtering to high performance is kinda like sacrificing quality to boost numbers. I remember having to turn this to high performance playing vanilla WoW and I remember the ground texture rendering was a step way below the default.

This also reminds me of back in the day when setting quake to 16bpp or 32bpp. Ah... those were good times.

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Ah. I don't know about that, I've never not had problems with a program when I tried forcing the texture filtering higher, though I only ever did it in a couple of titles. Texture Filtering is an extremely unintensive setting though, so don't worry about fiddling with it I'd say. Maybe once you get your system stable and running you can try back to back tests with it on/off and see how it works.

Yeah DSR is a global setting and simply affects the resolution you can apply to programs. For example, I could set DSR to 4x on a 1080p screen and I'd have the option to set my desktop resolution to 4K, or I could launch a fullscreen game and set it to 4K. It's useless for windowed mode games and second monitors if you don't set your basic monitor resolution to the DSR'd resolution, but it's ok for single monitor users. I wholeheartedly prefer supersampling and find it to be a superior function for its ability to not be affected by those limitations. Especially when you have it in percentages, like BF4 or Arma 2, as it only affects internal render resolution and not the container resolution (your window, or your screen, etc).

Yes, I am sure EC 1.05.04 is the EC that kills CPU throttle.

 

1) DSR IS available with SLI, why wouldn't it be? it'd actually run better with SLI since you are rendering at a higher resolution



2) Fast Sync is not available in SLI, not DSR

3) Rebooting is vital when changing power modes for the GPU as you experienced first hand, you got a 600 point increase in your score

 

Well the DSR option does not show up in the program settings tab where I always make changes. And it it did not work at one time, and I didn't realize they finally added it to SLI, and since I don't use it I would have never known. I have plenty of 4k displays laying around, no reason to fake running at 4k. No reason to run higher when some things do not run well even at 4k.

I don't make any changes to the global one because I only want to mess with the benchmark, and I really don't want to have to change a bunch of settings back and forth when I game or benchmark. Gsync is really the only one I need to change when i go back and forth, and until now that was a single click. Now I know I may have to reboot unfortunately.

The 600 point had to have been from the reboot after disabling gsync. I made no changes to the power mode, I had already done that initially along with other tweaks. I am one of the few people I know that shuts down my pc when not in use, every time. So I get a fresh boot each time, I haven't had to reboot regularly for many years as it normally doesn't change anything. Heck it usually IS a fresh boot when I bench, so I would never consider rebooting again after changing a monitor setting like gsync.

The only other thing I can think of is I did try different video drivers at one point yesterday, and I did notice it did not force me to reboot. However I normally would have rebooted anyway, but that would be my next guess of why I got the increase if I can't reproduce the g-sync issue.

 

I hope you disabled Fast Startup because if you didn't, you were never doing a full shut down / cold start, it was a hybrid / hibernation kind of shutdown, hence why rebooting is different. just saying

 

It didn't work with SLI + Gsync for a long time, so I don't blame anyone remembering it not working.

 

They had to do some work getting both cards scaling properly which is why it took a little longer.

 

I would like to have one as well but little on the pricy side for me right now; although I did order another 330 watt and the adapter as it is much cheaper. Even though I am only rolling with one GTX 1080 I noticed I was at 330 watts plus with my overclock on the CPU and GPU and would like to have some more wattage to work with. I figure if I'm on the road I will only take one with me but just take my overclock down a notch.

 

RIP my wallet.