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thanks guys for all of your inputs! just downloaded macrium and setting it up


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@Meaker@Sager Does Sager warranty cover a second or third owner? Also, does the owner need the original warranty receipt for repairs?

 

Warranty policies are set forth on our website under warranties in the support drop down menu on the front page.

 

Hello everyone! New to the site and this entire thread. After reading through some of the many pages of this thread, looks like I should have done a bit more research on different vendors/resellers before I got my P870DM3! Not sure how easy it will be to get Prema's BIOS on my system since its not on the partnered vendors list. On another note, it seems that my system is not actually jumping up to its full clock speed and likes to stay at around half, 2 - 2.50 GHz. Anyone know a possibly solution to this problem by any chance?

 

Without the Prema BIOS, I'd never consider buying or using a Clevo laptop. Period.

The Prema BIOS fixes these throttling issues, but one thing you can try to do to see if it helps, open the built in CPU OC tool from the taskbar, click on CPU in the bottom right

Now, raise the Power Limit 1/2 to 160W

Also raise the VR Current limit to 240A

That is if you have a 6700K or a 7700K CPU. If you have a different CPU, then I don't know what values you need to enter


Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

Yeah, I should have done a bit more research on which vendor I purchased from in order to get easy access to the Perma BIOS. Now, hopefully when it is released, it won't be too hard to get on to my system. I'd be willing to donate to the effort of course! As for the throttling issues, turns out whoever put together my system didn't even bother putting ANY thermal paste between the CPU and heatsink.

Thanks to my warranty coverage, I'm getting a new CPU just to be safe, and the thermal paste that I paid for but never got. Thanks to good engineering and design for allowing the CPU to keep running this entire time! Talk about bad quality control... hopefully this never happens to anyone.

 

What reseller is this?

 

Where did you buy your system?

 

From a certain company that likes to boast about their customer service, world class support and their team of elite people based out of Miami.

 

Ok it is Origin PC, thanks. Please name & shame in the reseller feedback subforum.

 

pls post your feedback here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-17-3-ips-120hz-g-sync-matte-display.801267/

Also look at my feedback I posted about them here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ync-matte-display.801267/page-2#post-10466676

 

Will do; I didn't want to be evil and just name the company directly, and I wasn't sure if the rules allowed that. Thanks!

 

Of course other resellers cannot, and should not, discuss other resellers, but it is not evil for members to inform other members of the Notebookreview community about good, or bad, service they get. It is actually a good service you would be providing to the community.
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I feel much better shaming companies now since you put it that way.

 

Be sure to test who of them who overclock best before you return one of them

 

Oh you bet I will!

 

It's actually helpful to all parties. Origin also get a chance to let us know they slapped whoever sent out the system across the face

 

Oh yeah; I don't think the person who built my system works for them anymore. At least I hope.

 

I had the same thing happen to me with a desktop I bought from a reseller several years back (3 desktops ago). I built the last two myself though, cheaper and no chance of a crap job. Sorry you had to deal with that I know it's a inconvenience and just should not happen. I did not know anything about origin other than just messing around on there website a few times. Good to know though thanks for sharing.

 

Glad my post was helpful to you! As for desktops, I've always built all desktop systems that I own myself, and even for other people. If anything goes wrong with something I built, then I can only blame myself.

 

Exactly, I am kind of glad that happened as it was the first time I had to put thermal paste on a processor. That made me venture out building a desktop, overclocking, watercooling. Now I am just back to a noctua nh-d15 in both desktops but has been a fun hobby.

 

As long as you had fun building and gained both knowledge and experience out of it! And whatever you have now, as long as it meets your needs, no need to switch it up.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution is the 780 watt power adapter in stock now?

 

Yes it is.

 

Thanks

 

There is no evil at all telling what happened to you with any company, actually this is what makes NBR one of the best communities on Earth,,,,, but the most important thing and to be fare, you have to tell the whole story with all details, "I know that you did", any single little information will effect positive or negative for someone reputation, and I'm sure you care about that, telling what is bad and in the same time what is good as well.
Best Regards.

 

Very true, individuals will normally only remember or post the negatives and not the positives. I work is sort of a small industry, not really small but small enough that if you mess up you are likely to suffer as all that people outside your small circle are going to here about is negative. You can do good 1000x but that one screw up can cripple you. This makes it tough to choose any company to buy products from if you read reviews on the internet as they are normally so biased. I try to base who I buy from on the customer service which seems to have gotten pretty bad with many big companies. If I can't get ahold of anyone, representatives are rude or it is difficult to get the issue resolved then I will never buy from them again.

 

This is actually the SECOND time a system with no thermal paste has shown up here from OriginPC on NBR (that I have seen). Last time I remember a P377SM-A with an i7-4940MX (yes, that $1000 CPU) had zero thermal paste at all.

 

I wonder how it survived

 

It just gets super hot super fast. I had thermal paste completely pump out before, I'd get like 90c playing hearthstone. I'm amazed that chip survived in itself.

Also, off topic, I figure this news might make some people happy:
http://ifixit.org/blog/8780/apple-right-to-repair/

 

Yikes, I'm definitely going to have to open my Origin laptop now, it was supposed to have some fancy-pants thermal paste for an extra charge, but does run pretty damn hot. I'm willing to put the work in it though, considering I got it from a guy who bought it, never opened it until the return policy had expired, and sold it to me still in the boxed crate for $1000 less than its price. Maybe he also was bad about doing research ahead of time and found out about this BIOS and other Origin issues too late to do anything about it. He can afford it, I can put in some elbow grease and buy some thermal pads and paste for those kinds of savings. Please don't judge me.

 

Don't worry about anyone judging you for it, with a few hard mod tweaks you are almost there anyway

 

You probably more need a delid and some tuning.

 

The delid made less of an impact than the pads though to be fair.

 

For contact to the heatsink? I figure I'm going to use the pad replacements and use a shim with LM between IHS/shim & shim/Heatsink.

 

That could depend on the chip though there seems to be a big variance on the 6700K (8 to 18C) and 12 to 25 C on the 7700K.

 

I believe he was referring to all the pads making a big difference mainly on the GPU. The stock pads on the CPU do not seem to cause any contact issues at least on my machine.

 

I see. For me, it seems that the CPU is *BY FAR* the hardest thing to cool (thus far anyway). However my grid heatsink's fins are dented from the factory; I am unsure if a proper heatsink would help a bit, and/or if the pads are necessary along with maybe bumping the laptop up a bit and/or using a cooler.

 

Bumping it up and using a good cooler like Mr.Fox has made about 5C difference for me. Not sure how much difference the fins being in better shape would make. Just as a comparison on the CPU I am running the following with the following temps when running Cinebench with the fans at max.
50/45 +25 adaptive - 82C
49/45 -10 adaptive - 77C
48/45 -80 adaptive - 68C
46/44 - 1060 override - 63C

Of course in gaming sessions (Battlefield 1) or running Aida64 they go up some. 50/45 running around 90C in long gaming sessions, 48/45 running around 82 C in long gaming sessions and 46/44 running around 75C in long gaming sessions. Just using ICDiamond. I think the temps are actually a little better than they were when I was using GC Extreme but could have just been a better paste job as they are still close.
Edit: also processor is delided and I am using fujipoly 14w/mk thermal pads but did not change out the two stock pads for the cpu.

 

Yeah, your temperatures are FAR cooler than mine, since I hit 92c in witcher 3 earlier, though I do need to adjust voltage. But even so, you can manage what, 48 maxing at 82c in BF1?

 

Yes, elevated with a decent cooling solution under it. But only running one gpu
Edit: the reason I mention the gpu my single gpu runs at around 62C max in BF1 so I'm sure with dual gpu you are running a little hoter raising the temperatures in he laptop.

 

@D2 Ultima next time you are gaming would you be so kind as to disable one gpu and see what the difference in temps the gpu and the CPU show. I was thinking about saving up and getting a second gpu.

 

CPU & GPU temps after 5 minutes or so of the game (SLI)

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CPU & GPU temps after 5 minutes or so of the game (single GPU)

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Do note that the FPS was not nearly as high due to the game being optimized like trash for Ubersampling and thus the CPU load was predictably lower, but... the GPU load should be interesting for you. I also noticed that the CPU temperature in general was a bit lower. It was within 5% of its normal operating load (mainly because I kept trying to find high FPS spots to look at), but a lotttt lower in temperature... I think single GPU and a linking of the grid heatsink is best if you like to clock up your CPU a lot.

Also, do note, my grid came with the fins damaged, so cooling *IS* impacted, at least slightly. Air does not pass through it as easily:

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It's possible that the overall cooling should be a couple degrees cooler than it currently shows to be, so take that with a grain of salt if your vapor chamber is a proper one.

 

Cpu Package power can tell us more

 

Low, only about 50W. I'm certain I need to tune the CPU rather than try to brute-force cool it (1.388v was my max, with a large majority of the time spent above 1.35v is stock), but I want to do lots of testing at stock first and first, I need to change out my OS. So I haven't done any big set of testing yet. I was to do it on the weekend but I had things come up, so I'm probably doing it tomorrow. I'm just downloading everything I will need before I do it, because I really do want to have all my stuff. I like being prepared =D

 

You're definitely right. My big issue right now is the GPU, which hits 90 running pretty much any game. Meeker linked me his very helpful pad guide, but if you don't mind linking me to a delid guide, that would be much appreciated. After all these Origin stories, I imagine sending this thing for warranty service would be a nightmare anyway, so I'll just DIY.

 

Any news on the GTX 11 series?

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The nearest I can find http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/could-nvidia-be-prepping-a-volta-release.html

 

Both NVIDIA and Intel have told us to not expect anything new in 2017. So, we will have to wait to see if this is smoke.

 

I think 11xx series will do Games at 4K as the 10xx playing Pac-Man, they will use the 1080 new ddr5 technology in almost all cards which is good for 4K gaming... correct me if I'm wrong.

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