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I've decided that my next system - desktop or laptop - will have a 120-144Hz G-Sync display. Hoping this comes with that option.

Couldn't care less for QHD or UHD on a gaming rig. I'm fine with maxing out games at 1080p 120Hz.

 

So indeed the NDA ends 16, third person to confirm that xD


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14ghz is coming soon on GDDR5x.

 

I hear Colorado is quite nice this time of year...

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I have no idea when that is. I only know approximately when I might have more screen shots to share.

 

Best 1000th post in any thread. Looking forward to it!

 

Me, too. I haven't received them yet.

 

Welcome to the Clevo family then!

 

The size of those cards is weirdly turning me on. Am i the only one?

Pwetty pwease?

 

nice to know that we can upgrade the system

 

Again looks like the MSI will have Optimus, I hope Clevo won't have the same but if they did I hope it's by a separate MUX chip.

 

msi have toggle button like fn+f7 alienware (gt72, gt80, mxm models only)

 

8==========D

 

It shouldn't have optimus.

 

I do not have any upgraded parts.

Nothing should use Optimus... not even BGA turdbooks. Optimus is trash-tech, and so is Enduro.

 

Is it worth to purchase the P870DM3 with dual 1080's coming from the problematic 880m's? (see system in signature)

 

Only if you want the best. Should be a night and day difference. Like a miracle even.

 

It's already worth if you only get a single 1080, from a performance point of view SLI could be sweet but not sure whether the extra 1080 will be worth it, as many games currently don't scale that well, especially when they're Vulkan/UE4 based

 

Optimus is useful for laptop as long as it is separately muxed (not wired to the intel GPU directly) and can be easily disabled.

 

Optimus, aka turning off the dedicated GPU should only be possible via BIOS setup.

In any context this is done on the fly, it means that both circuits are active, data is slowed down, results in dropped frames and delay.

they just sacrificed quality and comfort for their precious battery life. It's not like that. I love battery life. Not on a DTR. I mean it. I need something without optimus for me. I really have a hard time finding laptops without in the cheaper range.

Coming back to this little gem, I wonder what is the exact name of the display, I want to make sure it works on 8bit colors instead of 6, otherwise, I'll pass this sweet 120hz ...

 

Why should it only be done by the BIOS? You would think it could be done in the operating system to just to control an IC to switch between iGPU and dGPU signals (simplifying the extra things needed to switch control).

 

Damn. Well time to get some money aside then xD

 

Muxes act the same controlled either via firmware or software, as a switch they add no significant latency.

Let's not do knee jerk reactions to technologies just because we don't like a certain implementation.

 

I have nothing against Optimus as long as that crap isn't functional on anything I own.

 

People like direct implementation and not being bypassed through the CPU. I'm all for Optimus if it has a negligible impact on gaming performance.

 

The moment caraptimus and the dGPU are active at the same time it's time for hell trying to force this and that to only run on the dGPU. Example Like SVP (smooth video project) which makes your 25 or 30 FPS movies play @ 60+ FPS if you make it run on the iGPU it can fry it like barbecued chicken, let alone not working well.

That's why I prefer a BIOS or physical switch to totally disable the iGPU when I don't need extra battery runtime

 

You don't mean that the Redmond Morons shall have a finger on this?

 

Yes, 16.08.2016 from 6.00 am

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Lets keep on going about Microsoft yes??? you all might have a grudge to bear but seriously if you don't like it then stop using it.

 

I personally like optimus as an option I can switch on when on the move and switch off when at home. Choice is the king here.

 

If Micro$loth would straighten up and fly right they might enjoy less hate. Since Windows 8.X all they have provided is garbage for an OS. Unfortunately, there aren't any alternatives available that will get the job done for most of us. Otherwise, there would have already been a mass exodus. It's sad when the best option in their latest OS is still a piece of crap. Their customers deserve much better than the nasty feces they are pushing. The problem is they don't give a rat's rectum about their customers any more and are absorbed with their own self-serving agenda.

 

Weren't you directing your hate (strong word maybe dismay) on Clevo for not providing the ability to upgrade?

 

Absolutely... glad you noticed. I don't take kindly to companies that screw their customers. Wolves take no prisoners, so keeping the sheep alert is critical. Otherwise, they'll get eaten alive. That's just one of the services that I am happy to provide.

 

There is enough hate to go around! Don't worry, the hate for one does not conflict, nor is it displaced, from the other! Why m$ didn't release their tech preview (not inside preview) is beyond me! The use and benchmarks had it go toe to toe with win 7, then they built bs back doors, spyware, etc. In it that made it ****!!! Plus, they want to go to a service model while selling all your data on how you use your pc to cash in again. **** THEIR GREED!!! It is not helping consumers, but themselves only!!! Don't be delusional they are there to help you!

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I understand that, but in the end we just have to take it up the a** and deal with it. I don't like Optimus if it's not done correctly and I certainly don't like the fact I cannot upgrade my GPU(s) because of a non standard implementation. I'm just tired of people *****ing on forums about it when there is nothing that can be done.

 

Actually, there is! It's called educating people as to the ****ty nature of the product, including *****ing on forums, thereby effecting public opinion and changing purchasing decisions of the consumers so that they have sentiment to point to on lagging sales to change product development for the future! Do you understand that public opinion of a product, especially when effecting purchasing decisions, is how capitalism works and consumers don't have to eat any old **** that came out the ass of these corporations. Maybe you want to be a part of the consumer human centipede that is corporations ****ting out horrible products and you eating it up like candy, but I will not and do not!

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It's not that I want to argue with you.

It's more that I just want my personal object to NOT have Optimus.

The implementation is not the problem, but the feature itself. I want all my video to go through the GPU, this is why I pay for it. I just want full GPU power.

Having no switch at all left a trauma, I'm just focused on how to disable it. I'm not sure how good switches actually are, but on my Acer, it's just there, the switch between GPU and iGPU is done automatically, and I have to set every software that uses GPU, and it's a pain. I want a button that forces all data to go through dGPU, and be done with everything else.

In this acer, the display is directly connected only to the CPU, not directly to the GPU, this is why it's not able to change refresh rate from Nvidia control center or other fancy stuff, so maybe on other laptops, the implementation makes it more acceptable.

Kinda like this. Or worse, madVR gets a delay and higher render / presenting time due to optimus.

 

We can ask them nicely to stop putting Optimus in our laptops. I pay for it, I want it tailored per my needs.

 

Exactly! Windows 365, LOL.. Their boundless wickedness will be their undoing, as they do not appear to possess sufficient intelligence to learn from their own mistakes.

And, for those that thought free was a very good price... beware of geeks bearing gifs.

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so it's review unit

no word on p870dm (old version) upgrade option to 1080?

 

Good luck with that, there obviously is a stronger market for Optimus.

 

I understand...that Optimus is a waste of time.

 

The P870DM3 features vapor chamber iirc. Does the P775DM3-G feature the same or a different cooling solution, and if its an old one, it will be presumably less efficient in cooling right?

 

I was referencing wider than this single product. Trust me, I understand engineering constraints. I don't like it, but accept it. But this also can change over, like me building a pc rather than buying a laptop as my main computer. As such, with a powerhouse desktop, I may not buy the highest end laptop available (still get a powerful one), but making them lose out on a higher end sale. It also may lean me toward another vendor, like MSI. Meanwhile, in regard to Windows, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the development of specialized Linux builds and increasing driver support. From now until 2020 or 2023, the end of support for win 7 and 8 respectively, do you really think the steam os won't be in place with better driver support, as well as other Linux builds. Multi boot specialized needs OSes that are low to free in costs will supplant users, especially in the younger generation with less to spend, then signing on to a monthly contract! Why do you think there was a huge portion that went to open office or Google docs... It isn't that they won't pay for a good product with a one time cost. They will. It is when you put out **** and charge more than it is worth, they will look to alternatives, including accepting less features as a benefit on the cost-benefit analysis. How ****ing stupid do you think people are?

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No, really... I have nothing except a possible incoming email with a few screen shots. Sad, but true. I wish that were the case, but my help is not necessary at this point so I am an observer like everyone else. I'd love to have a 1080 SLI review unit to punish with some extreme overclocked benchmarks.

I fixed that typo for you, bro.

WORD! QFT! Well said, bro.

 

From the picture I've seen, it looks like metal plates on the gpu side, but maybe a vapor chamber on the cpu side (or a WAY thicker plate)!

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I'm most left our from this conversation XD

Windows 10 does not work out of the box for me. I think that windows 7 did work, but I tweaked it too to fit my needs. I don't think they ever made an OS that was perfect for me... Well, windows 10 policies are worse than they were before, and I truly dislike people spying on my privacy, but then again, there are more important matters at hand, and while I like my privacy, I'm sure having a google account connected in smartphone to use google maps and other things provides enough tracing for anyone to use.

I kind of wish windows was an OS, with no other attachments. Like a clean OS.

At any rate, I'm not going back to Ubuntu, that was pain, nor am I migrating to something else... It's just that windows used to be different. More open sources, more controllable, more customizable, it used to be an OS. Now, it's more like a service for your OS needs, but it does more than I ask it to do.

I am using it, I just wish in next version they would at least release a windows for developers or something so that power users can do what they need to do easier.

 

p775dm3 heatsink is said to be same for 1060/1070/1080 gtx

 

Nope, nobody has to take anything, friend. Spread the bad word, call the balls and strikes, and help the misinformed wise up. If enough people vote "no" with their wallets we can effect change. The losers selling filth are counting on sheeple to give up and fall in line, so fight the good fight. Don't spend any hard earned money on garbage. Eventually they'll get tired of storing rotting trash on warehouse shelves and offer something that people able to pay for excellence are willing to buy. We cannot let the bad guys win. We can become the wolf-eating grizzly bears.

 

that can either be a great sign for midlevel users to achieve insane overclocks on 1060s or a bad sign for highend users ending up with throttling 1080s at stock...

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