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    *** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    NO.
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    DO NOT BRING THAT BACK ON THIS FORUM.

    OR ANY FORUM IN THE UNIVERSE.
     
    D2 Ultima, Aug 15, 2016
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    LMFAO!!!

    His trolling, oh dear god!!!

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    ajc9988, Aug 15, 2016
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    You are splitting hairs. Before the tick-tock abandonment, cannonlake was the die shrink of skylake! That never changed! Broadwell took to long and had poor yields. To save face, try to continue the tick tock, they knee capped it to help skylake adoption! Meanwhile, Kabylake is the one year refresh, mirroring what was done with devil's canyon because of problems with the die shrink on broadwell and needing to put out a new product for sales and shareholders. Devil's canyon had higher ipc, higher clock rate, and better igpu, while still being built on their 22nm platform. Don't be a jackdonkey that doesn't look past marketing hype! Please, don't be that guy and embarrass yourself!



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    ajc9988, Aug 15, 2016
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    RJTech have updated their pages with the new laptops, price of P870DM with 6700K, 32GB RAM, 1070SLI is around 2600... This excludes the cost of any storage.. Not bad if you ask me!

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    TomJGX, Aug 15, 2016
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    sirana Notebook Deity

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    Do you have a link for us please?
     
    sirana, Aug 15, 2016
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  6. iunlock

    iunlock 7980XE @ 5.4GHz

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    I'm seeing only the 980 options, but then again I'm tired lol...

    Yes, a link would be stellar.

    Thanks!
     
    iunlock, Aug 15, 2016
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    Kana Chan, Aug 15, 2016
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  8. sirana

    sirana Notebook Deity

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    Yeah, same as me.
     
    sirana, Aug 15, 2016
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    False. True. False. True.

    All they did was use more mature silicon and change the paste between the IHS and the bare die. There was no IPC improvement, and the only reason clockspeeds were bumped is most likely because they had to find a way to say "hey this is a new product, see? We didn't screw up our original one!"
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    "Broadwell, which was released in 2014, was a “tick” as the size of the transistors shrunk from 22 nanometers to 14 nanometers. Skylake was a “tock” as it introduced an entirely new microarchitecture. Simple, right?

    Kaby Lake is neither. At the very best, it’s a refresh of Skylake and acts as a hold-over until Cannonlake is released in 2017. It is, in short, an anomaly."

    Decent article from other than my normal sources. Details changes like add 3.1 usb native, hdcp 2.2 (doesn't matter as we don't use the igpu), thunderbolt 3.0, and that will not support Windows 7. Enjoy.
    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/intels-kaby-lake-cpu-good-bad-meh/

    I'll concede where I was incorrect, but this isn't some great new price of silicon. If you have skylake, it likely won't be worth it or will give you a performance upgrade like devil's canyon...


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    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's what I've been saying. But I'll still be waiting. There's much to learn.
     
    J.Dre, Aug 15, 2016
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    MickyD1234, Aug 15, 2016
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    well, not necessarily. u can easily underclock and undervolt cpu/gpu to make them work properly on one 230W psu for travel purposes. at home it doesnt matter if ure connected to two full size 330W psus for full powah ;)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
    jaybee83, Aug 15, 2016
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    sirana, Aug 15, 2016
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    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I also doubt it's a typo. I'm happy to see dual-PSU configurations.
     
    J.Dre, Aug 15, 2016
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    Yup, that's my assumption, I really struggle to get this X8 (980sli) to top out the 330w (before it all starts glowing hot), but no 2x1080 listed so that may make all the difference?
     
    MickyD1234, Aug 15, 2016
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  17. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    Sorry to bring him back, guys :D Just that he was so funny...
     
    Ionising_Radiation, Aug 15, 2016
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    The package and surrounding components were also modified.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Aug 15, 2016
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  19. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    nda ends today at 11:59 pst right?
     
    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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    marios50 Notebook Evangelist

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    I know for a fact that by the 16th at 6AM the NDA should have ended. European time :p
     
    marios50, Aug 15, 2016
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    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    NDA ends tonight at midnight. Excited to see what's in store on the 17th.
     
    J.Dre, Aug 15, 2016
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    spmo Notebook Guru

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    The question is: should I set my alarm for 6am to see if I can place an order with @XMG - or enjoy a lie in :p
     
    spmo, Aug 15, 2016
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    I'd say set your alarm since you're obviously excited for it :p
     
    marios50, Aug 15, 2016
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    being an early adopter is a bad idea unless your seller has a 30 day no hassle return policy without restock fee
     
    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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  25. Meaker@Sager

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    Which we do have :)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Aug 15, 2016
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    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    need prema partner bios :(
     
    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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  27. marios50

    marios50 Notebook Evangelist

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    I don't think they can do that, mostly because of their Clevo relationship.
     
    marios50, Aug 15, 2016
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    under sager they are not allowed to do a mod bios?
     
    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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    Charging a restocking fee for a return on a laptop or similar product is actually not legal in Europe ;-)
     
    XMG, Aug 15, 2016
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  30. marios50

    marios50 Notebook Evangelist

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    I know that @XMG are not doing it in order to keep their direct to Clevo relationship in good spirits, I assume Sager would have a similar reason.
     
    marios50, Aug 15, 2016
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    xor01 Notebook Deity

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    Anyone please? I need the link for p870dm3 manual. The link on page 1 is dead.
     
    xor01, Aug 15, 2016
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    For all those wondering, most US based companies (Nvidia is a Californian corporation) set NDAs to expire according to EASTERN STANDARD TIME! This time is no different. Carry on...

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    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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    We don't know when the Nvidia NDA expires do we?

    All we know is that MSI has an announcement at 21:00 PST August 15th, today, in less than 12 hours now.

    We are assuming MSI is releasing Pascal notebooks, we don't know for sure, but if they do, then the Nvidia NDA should be expired by then, right?
     
    hmscott, Aug 15, 2016
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    Thats when the NDA expires, 16th of August, 6:00 AM European time.
     
    marios50, Aug 15, 2016
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    XMG, Aug 15, 2016
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    Having all the information filled out usually helps too.
     
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    You know this, or you did the math and that's how it worked out?

    I don't think anyone has said the exact date/time for the end of the NDA

    It's also possible one or more companies might have the lead time on the announcement, others following some time after MSI's announcement, or even before then.
     
    hmscott, Aug 15, 2016
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    I've had 2 resellers drop this ;)
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    MSI's nda is up at the stroke of midnight going from the 15th to the 16th EST. Did the math and understand contracts...

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
    ajc9988, Aug 15, 2016
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    this'll be one of the longest workdays I will ever experience

    oh boy...
     
    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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    Mobius 1, Aug 15, 2016
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    Too lazy to look. Is there a Xeon LGA 1151 Z170 that has more than 4 cores?
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Possibly after coffeelake...

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    What is that and why would we want it?

    I can't tell, don't know a lot about xeon.
     
    Georgel, Aug 15, 2016
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    Low core count Xeon's are worthless. Even more so without ECC memory, which is needed when doing high precision computing that needs to be flawless. Google is your best friend.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    You do know there are ECC sodimms you can buy, right?

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    Yeap, but i dont think they are supported, at least not on the P870DM-G. I couldn't find anything saying otherwise. Maybe @Prema would know.
     
    bloodhawk, Aug 15, 2016
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