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so

so much for upgrade potential.

 

This is why I posted the pictures as a reference. It shows the difference between the connectors.

Going to have to disagree here. Even the low powered 980N had a connector....

AS to HB Bridge...It's not needed unless you are going above 5k. This has already been proven. Here is an example.

And from my own personal testing....

I Have to read up a bit more, but wouldn't a motherboard be a direct swap or is something different?

 

Im left wondering if its this bad for the P870DM users here, how much worse will it be for the other camps? Specially with those power requirements.

But im sure there will be a way to splice up a power connector and use a single 1080 in the current system. Will wait and see, otherwise Razer Core bebe.

 

It's too early to give up, let the release and announcements from Clevo fill in the missing info.

I doubt Clevo wants pissed off clients, so they will likely offer an upgrade program. Maybe it involves shipping your laptop to them for the alterations required for the upgrade.

It's all too early to feel bad, save it for later when the bill comes

 

johnksss,

In the video above a guy is using dual flex bridges and here are the results with single flex sli bridge against nvidia NB bridge. Up to 50% performance loss in some cases.




But i'm not quiet sure how the sli bridge works in laptops.

 

With the way things have been with NVIDIA, i have a feeling there is more to this than Clevo being the only party responsible for these changes.
Since the current connectors were capable of powering 980DT to over 300W, dont understand why the whole change was necessary? Unless they want to push people to upgrade.
Time will tell i guess.

 

Exactly. Way to early to rule out anything. And then there are the months of testing to get stock working right. First person to say his or her's machine is working perfectly out of the box is getting "mouse" smacked! Unless it came with a premamod already tested and installed.

 

If it is gonna come out within 15-20 august, shouldn't it be available for pre-order in some of the major reseller? @xoticpc @GenTechPC etc??
Damn, the waiting game is prolonged again

 

That's two SLi flex bridges, I don't think the mobile GPUs would come with 2 connectors.

 

I explained this before. HB bridge uses both slots on the card where as a single bridge cable uses only 1.
Dual flex cables/ 2-3 and 4 way hard bridges give the same performance. It is only when you go past 5k that the HB bridge starts to shine.
As long as you use the dual connector parts on the cards in question.

I'm at a loss here as well...

That will be something we shall find out in time. It's also possible that the HB is built into the pcb or the cable itself. Only testing and or information from nvidia will tell the tale....

@bloodhawk
Nevermind. I just realized that the new board has 2 type C Thunderbolt connections and the usb port has been moved.....Although, if that is the only thing...It looks like it could still fit. Or one would have to buy the base and a new motherboard and then you would be good to go.

 

The P870DM2/3 has an extra TB3 connector so we also need a dremel.

 

Maybe a motherboard upgrade and chassis upgrade will be part of the GPU upgrade

 

Dual flex bridge are probably "good enough". However, I will be worried if the 1080 SLI on P870DM2 is running on single flex bridge.

OT: Expecting delivery of titan xp in 2 hrs!

 

doesn't the p870dm have two 4 pin power connection? since fox ran 2x980(p775dm) on his sky x9

 

The board does have two power connectors yes.

 

I think the announcement of a press release or system specs will be sometime in the next 10 to 15 days. However, if it is like past Clevo releases, actual systems won't be shipping for another 30+ days - at least to the North American resellers.

Time will tell.

 

Yeap exactly.
At least from my "uninformed" perspective, this change feels unnecessary.

Also the 2 TB3 ports, im not sure where they will get all the bandwidth from.

And this will infuriate a lot of buyers who bought the system in the last 6 months or so.
I, on the other hand, will either head the eGPU way, or just look for mods to make it work. And/or move back to a desktop.
Already have a portable system for when i go out.

 

What are the specs on those? How much current can they give? I am presuming those are 12v??

 

Well a few of us have pulled 30oW+ using only 1 of those ports.
So the change is rather "weird".

 

Probably wanting to standardize an external power connector similar to PCIE express on desktop that all clevo high end uses.

Or the 300w comes disproportionally from MXM.

 

Not possible, as reason enough to cable block the former flagship owners. If that was possible, then the 980DT wouldn't even need the extra power jack. Sure the MXM ports can supply a good amount of power ( since people are able to push their 980M's pretty hard), but that is even more reason not to go for a different port.

 

They even pulled a bunch of MOSFETs from the new mobos, so no need to worry about the juice for the new card on old boards.
It's now just an 8+1 instead a 4+1 design and if Clevo doesn't supply the right cable for upgrades we can simply make our own.

 

Our Lord and Saviour.

Premasus.

 

you got the dev unit already?

 

LOL

Spoiler

Nope.

 

so the cable would be a single 4+1 to an 8+1 or would it be like 2 x 4+1 to an 8+1 (a Y-cable)?

if there's truly no power change then it would be the former but either is a possibility. i can't even find the second GPU power socket on my P870DM-G.

would 2 980Ms or 980s need external power to run properly?

 

Its under the heatpipe, under the existing power jack, to the right side.

 

Thanks guys. So power and fit for a single 1080 is not a problem, it's just how to get that power to the card.

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Power/Fit & maybe a new heatsink and this problem might be solved.

 

Will have to see i guess. I don't see why a new heatsink would be needed really if the gpu die location on the board doesn't change.

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It will depend on proper PCB layout...then we might be able to mod the heat sink. Current cooling seems superior anyway.

 

Yeah, i have an a/c unit so cooling is not a real problem for me.

 

Was browsing google typed P870DM2
Found this
767$ and that is Australian dollar availability 2-3 days
Who wants to jump out their hearts now?


http://pchappy.com.au/notebooks-lea...260ac-bt-4-0-w-g-sync-w-nv-gtx-1070-8g-single

 

Interesting, it already has the processor and videocard. But it sure seems priced so low, the 6700k alone costs $349 (Newegg)..maybe it's missing a 1 before the 767

 

Probably a 2 or 3

 

http://pchappy.com.au/notebooks-lea...bt-4-0-combo-w-g-sync-w-nv-gtx-1070-8g-single
17.3" FHD IPS (non glare) notebook
w/ 8cell battery (89wh)
w/ 2M FHD camera
w/ Fingerprint,TPM
w/ Intel 8260AC+BT 4.0 combo
w/ G-Sync
w/ NV GTX 1070-8GB (single)
without CPU, HDD, DIMM, ODD, OS, Carry bag
And that is a very good start considering a single 980M cost 720 to 900 dollars. For all you people looking to swap out a chassis....Now is the time to keep a look out.

 

Btw the link i posted is barebone with i7-6700K+gtx1070 and @johnksss is without the Cpu but both are same price, weird.

Damn, if it was with gtx 1080+i7 6700K+ 4K screen i would've jumped the gun even if it's 1767$ . But 1070 i might regret afterwards. Btw i tried addinng it to cart with shipment to Qatar and it was 14$ shipment lol. Are they serious

 

It's the same sight, so im guessing without cpu is going to be closer to right.

 

The price seems really good, kinda hard to believe it...

 

It's probably 1767.87

 

random thoughts
I used to remember back in 2010-2011 (5 years after 3Dmark06 was released)
3DMark06 and 3DMarkVantage was more popular than 3DMark11
I remembered Johnksss used to brag about his 3DMark06 score of 36K and 3DMarkVantage of 30K ish with his 485M/580M SLI
No one even scratch 3DMark11 9K graphics lol. High end single mobile gpu never broke 5K. Coz it was based on 560Ti iirc.
Now, 2016 (5 years later from 2011)we are looking at 30K plus of 3DMark11 in a single mobile GPU. And we have the latest 3Dmark (timespy) which people score less than 10K (similar to how 3DMark11 was in 2011)

How time flies....
Technology infected us and it advanced so quickly
I am not sure how much I've spent from 2010-2016 on a laptop lol

*Just random thoughts

 

i hope they just take the layout of the existing 980, swap out the GPU die and the vbios chip and call it a day LOL

 

Yup, I would class all these leaks / marketing ploys hard to believe ;-) Especially pricing and availability dates.

 

Ya seems very sketchy . . . but still bookmarked, there is always the slight hope inside that due to some error some people can get lucky.

Another one:
http://www.acquireit.com.au/acquire/default.asp?pageid=productdetail&pf_id=4717746

http://sofiacomputers.net/laptopi-mobilni-komputri-ceni.php?id=19642

Anyone see this thread:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=准系统&ie=utf-8

Is that a pic of a 1070 MXM card? Doesn't look like any 980 I know.




The post that has the picture says something along the lines of "looks like it might actually be/looks more legitamate a 'blue sky' 1070 (reference to Blue PCB?), or looks like a 1080 with core placement" ~ something like that. Basically what I gather is they are also looking forward to the 1070/1080 for laptops and are talking about rumors/pics etc. Just like us

Oh and then someone below quotes the picture and says it looks more like the P775dm2

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And comparing it to the 980 MXM:


(Thanks XMG )

Look at the difference in the power connector! Also the 980 is 6-71-P870L-D02 and the pictured PCB is 6-71-P872L-D02 : so some kind of new revision. Just by randomly guessing . . . no idea what 7-71 means but P870 almost seems like its meant for the P870DM, so P872 = P870DM2? "L" maybe stands for the large form factor MXM ?? and for D02 I have no idea

What gets me is the power connector . . I don't think the 1070 needs that much . . . so 1080 confirmed?? Also it looks slimmer then the large 980 so dual 1080 in SLI is really going to happen!??!

***Pure speculation!

 

@anassa maybe someone will get lucky with the price, but I can guarantee that there's no stock nor will there be in 2-3 days ;-)

D02 is the board revision but just to clarify the XMG image is of the 180W GTX 980 and the 200W GTX 980.

 

Do all clevo gpus come with that black gasket around the ics?

 

Looking at that new picture.... Not only is the power connector different, the heatsinks are different, the space between the mxm slots are smaller(P870), but the screws to hold the card to the motherboard are different.


Or are there more than one version of this card?

 

@anassa "Blue Sky" is the Chinese translation for Clevo.
According the thread, that's how the clevo version of gtx1070,1080 are gonna looks like, all have extra 8-pin connector to provide additional power. Some people already received 10xx series laptop, they can't officially review.


Boring boring Chelsea

 

yeap.....no gpu upgrade for me then!