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Thanks for the clarification! =D.

Does this mean that DM2 and DM3 are not interchange-able even if you get the heatsink? I mean I suppose one could send it in to get the chassis changed, but still.

 

I will double check and confirm when I get back later today...there where many changes during development and differences between DM2 and DM3 became less and less during the last 6 months.

OK: I just double checked for you guys and was told that I am talking nonsense.

Apparently MP versions of P870DM2 and P870DM3 now use identical mobo AND housing and only differ in shipping GPU configuration (DM3: {dual} 1080), heat-sink (DM3: the Grid) and AC Adapter (DM3 2x330W). So IF you could source those after market parts then transforming a DM2 into a DM3 should be possible. Sorry for the confusion guys!!!

 

cant recall the page but there was a picture showing the giant metalic plate with two GPU cooling, with possibly extended heatpipes if it were flipped around, which would go ontop of CPU heatsink (the radiator portion). means it'll try to have heat conducted toward that area to cool off with cpu fan as well, not just gpu fans.

 

And this will probably affect processor cooling.

 

yea exactly. its not that i dont understand we now got two really powerful gpu in this laptop but overall the coolin idea seems a bit disappointing. since clevo manage to keep everything within the same chassis with some minor change to reduce cost, some area need to be sacrificed like cpu cooling when both GPU are overclocked.

as im more of a cpu person, this time i'll be out.. if someone does own this machine and somehow shows CPU heat flows toward gpu fans, i'll jump. from the simple look of that picture i highly doubt it though.

 

I don't know for certain, but the patch notes make it seem like it's DX12 Side https://steamcommunity.com/app/391220

 

@Prema

The 1080 in this system seems to use a 6 Pin power connector - 18:45



Any idea why it is 8 Pin on the Clevo's ?

 

We need to see numbers when processor/gpu's run fully overclocked.

 

Best of luck with that without the Prema BIOS'.

 

Yeah, looks like it's DX12-side here. Also, disabling steam overlay in DX12... lol? That's... no. That's half the point of steam.

 

Is this what you're talking about - http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...ce-GTX-1080-Mobility-CLEVO-Laptop-768x432.jpg

If so, that is for the P870DM 3. The P870DM 2 should look something like - http://www.notebookreview.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/DSC03183-668x501.jpg , which separates the cooling for the different components. At least that is my understanding.

@Papusan, since you have the predecessor to the P870DM2, can you confirm? [Note, this is a big assumption on my part that the P870DM2 is similar to the P870DM.]

 

Was HIDEvo donating the base dm2 or dm3 to you? Just seeing how far our donations will go (I know if dm2, we have enough for you to have the dm3 and 4k screen upgrade, if dm3, you get everything you could want, just about)...

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well, they promied a base config machine with a single 1080, so i guess that would be the DM2. but just check and see if the price difference between DM2 and DM3 is made up for by the donations thus far and he should be golden

btw, just noticed that the MSI 1070 has the EXACT same form factor as the 130W 980 SLI cards from the GT80S, id say MSI users rejoice

as for fitting one of those 1070s into the ZM, its gonna be a preeeetty tight fit....im mostly concerned about the board overlapping one of the screw holes for the CPU heatsink. but even if that fits, theres gonna be a TON of dremeling involved *ugh*

 

About $1200. Which that plus 4k display for $300, and we have accomplished the first two items on his checklist!

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great stuff, the rest like RAM and M.2 pcie ssd should be easy peasy for him to upgrade on his own (worst case)

 

That's a lucky for you, but really don't expect average laptops to have these temps. Very few can stay under 90C in stress conditions

As I understand it, P870 DM3 comes only with SLI, doesn't it?

 

OK: I just double checked for you guys and was told that I am talking nonsense.

Apparently MP versions of P870DM2 and P870DM3 now use identical mobo AND housing and only differ in shipping GPU configuration (DM3: {dual} 1080), heat-sink (DM3: the Grid) and AC Adapter (DM3 2x330W). So IF you could source those after market parts then transforming a DM2 into a DM3 should be possible. Sorry for the confusion guys!!!

 

That was excluding Meaker's donation and other last minute donations. Those may upgrade the ram, the third thing on the list.

Also, the msi 1070 shouldn't be a lot of dremmeling because the new heatsink doesn't fit it. Using a Clevo 1070 is impossible and can't fit, most likely, which saddens me greatly as we have to figure out the cooling with the configuration. Anyone want to whisper in Clevo's ear to make an upgrade kit for older models using msi cards and new heatsink with vapor chamber on both cpu and gpu (maybe even direct die version which is wanted by about all the people that want to upgrade the video card). That would also be throwing in the msi delid die kit (rubber sealed washers and brace screwed down by hinge screw and the stand for the mount to slide under). That is value added to prior owners (and give so much headroom it's ridiculous (autocorrect suggested testicles instead of ridiculous!))!!!

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I'm trying to find words, but fail. So, please take this as no disrespect to you or that statement... I don't really care about the temps for average laptops as that doesn't apply to my needs. Just as @Mr. Fox has his set of requirements for benching, I have mine for development. I don't plan on stressing the GPU a single bit, and will be pushing my employer toward a P870DM2 with a single GPU.

Please recall the point of my post so long ago... I wish there was an intel hex or octo core CPU that would work with this model, and I think we got off topic a bit w/ ole!! saying that kind of CPU would throttle in a P870DM2, and a bit of back and forth why I don't believe it would for my use case.

The P870DM3 is listed as a single 1080 or SLI 1080 config. But there is not quite enough info available yet.

From what I think I'm understanding from Prema's last post is the P870DM2/P870DM3 starts as the same machine. However, if you order a 1080 GTX SLI, then it gets a different heat sink, possibly different PSUs, and is dubbed the P870DM3. However, if it is a single 1080 GTX, single 1070 GTX or 1070 GTX SLI, then it becomes a P870DM2.

Could be wrong, but that is how I currently see it.

 

Eurocom just uploaded this to youtube.
Along with some benchmarks in its description.

 

Thx for that!

Wow! Take a look and pause the video at the 40 second mark. See the heat sink? Is this the P870DM3 we're looking at? To me, it seems there are two sets of heat pipes / sinks(but joined into one piece for assembly) for the SLI GPUs, and the CPU heat sink remains in a separate area.

Is that how anyone else sees it? This is *not* what I was expecting from the images with the copper plate, which I took as one giant, but shared heat sink for GPUs and CPU.

 

Well, we have a plethora of crappy console ports, gimped game engines and lazy game devs to thank for not going the extra mile like we use to require of them. Now we add Micro$loth's incompetence and the joke that they call DX12 further muddying the waters. That kind of lackluster support and showing of incompetence ruins SLI for gamers. It's not the fault of gamers, nor is it SLI's fault those folks are all a bunch of losers, LOL.

Unless you are an overclocked benchmark enthusiast, then it's totally worth it. There are quite a few of us still around. I enjoy playing games when I have nothing else better to do, but I personally find overclocked benching far more exhilarating. I also prefer a frenetic binge of drag racing over a leisurely Sunday drive out in the country.

If you're primarily a PC gamer it's probably not worth it as long as you get adequate FPS at stock clocks. If you're a PC Gamer the value is in having a multi-purpose machine that is self contained and travels friendly in a backpack and no need for anything peripheral except maybe a mouse. (I absolutely loathe using touchpads, so definitely a mouse for me.)

Otherwise, spending $500 on a console is a cost effective option to get on with your gaming jollies with the lowest cost investment in hardware. But, the games are more expensive for consoles... big downside on that part.

 

I disagree on the console part, but agree on everything else. Consoles are **** on graphics. It was old when they came out this time. Next year they release new models of consoles and still don't know if it could beat my 980m. If you are even a casual gamer and use your laptop for multipurpose, spend the amount you would on a console on the laptop, connect your controller to the laptop and laptop to the tv and enjoy a better gaming experience!!!

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consoles have the best graphics if you don't mind having horse blinders on your camera and cataract making you unable to see beyond 10 feet





would @Prema - suggest the grid heatsink of the giant twin-fin heatsink setup for a single 1080 on the P870DM2/3?

 

I agree with all except the controller part. Real men game on keyboard and mouse. Controllers are for school girls and console jockeys.

(Just kidding... sort of. I do hate controllers myself. I think they suck, except on a few titles that are more arcade like, then they're not so bad. I don't usually play anything except FPS games.)

 

Maybe ask on his home turf... I think he is getting pretty busy over there with lots of questions.

If you recall from the @Prema donations thread... he wants 1080 SLI for himself, not single 1080. Maybe that will answer the question best... leading by example.

 

I'll ask on ti


Mgsv is a pain in the ass to play without a controller, similarly to Senran Kagura

 

My larger point was that if the controller over keyboard and mouse is the sticking point, just go with the laptop.

To mobius1, if you believe consoles have the best graphics, I've got ocean front property in Nebraska for you! Great price! Even with lower level api allowing for consoles to run better than computer equivalent specs, it still was unable to meet the same quality settings/fps as Maxwell. Many tests showed this! There are benefits to a console when done right. This time it was a fail. If you buy a laptop and spend the extra $300-500 to get a better graphics card in the laptop, you get way more. As DirectX 12 and Vulkan are further used, the api benefit further diminishes, so long as Nvidia continues to adopt ancillary to the standard (improve on async, etc.)! So you want bang for the buck, that is the way to go, especially if they let computer gamers with controllers only into the rooms with Xbox one and ps4 players (which the wall between the two consoles online is being removed in some games)...

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I have no clue what either of those games are. Never heard of either of them. But, as I mentioned, I generally have no interest in anything except for FPS games, so if they are not in that genre that's why I don't know what they are. There are a few exceptions (like the Mortal Kombat franchise, which I love) but not many. I don't do strategy or RPG games, or puzzle games. I find them extremely boring. Obviously, I'm an old school blood and guts, run and gun, kill them all, let God sort 'em out later game fanboy. I also despise playing online multi-player games.

Oh hell no. We should not even be allowed to talk to them, much less share the same room with them. That's just sacrilegious talk. They are unworthy to lick the bottom of our boots. PC Master Race should take no prisoners.

 

I still have an X360 for Ace Combat 6, PS4 for Senran Kagura Estival Versus. And will buy a PS Neo/VR for Ace Combat 7.

Not exactly graphics I'm looking for in those three games. But I always have a game pc for that.

 

It's more like the heatpipes sit on top of the existing cpu heatsink so they can drop heat into it, it does not take fin space for itself.

 

Sorry I didn't explain good enough I meant temp numbers I want to see how much the new shared heatsink affect the processor temperature in bench with cpu/gpu's. This can be done with a Crippled Bios Remember fully Overclocked processor will use more than stock voltage.

 

I hear ya. When I play fps and rpg, looking good matters to me! When I play strategy games like Civ series, master of Orion series, galactic civ series, etc. (Turn based 4x strategy game types are my thing), then graphics don't matter as much, but cpu power matters a **** ton in late game turns! Same with memory usage. So for me, consoles just don't do it, although I do controller gaming on some fps games... Just easier even though I could do my external keyboard and mouse with the tv, I don't always...

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I guess :|

Anyways, am waiting for prema to finish the clevo bios and evoc/hid to offer single 1080 on the P870DM3.

Hopefully a dual-width GP102? ;]

 

Different devices for different budgets. All have a place

 

This only works if 95 percent of your friends are on pc, If they aren't and they are all on xbox... You can forget it.Then looks like you will be getting some new friends. And this playing with your friends seems to be far more important to about 99 percent of gamers.

Well, damn! I guess i'm a girlie girl, because I sure as heck love using my controller.

 

New friends are great for growth as a person. And the internet has quality people on it!

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The question is... are you a cute girlie girl? If so, then you get a pass.

Mmmmm, ok. If you say so. I game to get away from people, not engage even more with them.

And, engaging people when I don't have much choice in the matter (duty calls, and having a paycheck is nice) is one of the reasons I don't have much discretionary free time for gaming away from people.

 

I was meaning think of telling your children to meet people online, how wrong that is! I game because of enjoyment, not interaction, as well, so I don't get that aspect, personally, but know some people do (like my nephew who games with his friends on PS4). I've convinced him to switch to pc gaming at some point, but he just turned 16 and wants other things first!

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Step 1: Have friends....
::Step 1 failed::


And FYI some games i play with a controller and mouse, what would that make me...

 

Confused!!!

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So guys final choice 1080P 120hz with 1080 Single or 1070 SLI

 

I would personally go 120Hz 1080p with a single 1080.

 

Dying to know if I can do the gpu upgrade.

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1070 Sli is neither bird or fish. Either single 1080 or the full package!

 

Even if they fit, the power connector and EC stuff is going to cause issues... The MSI 1070 should fit and probably 1070 SLI with MSI cards is possible... Clevo cards are going to be difficult to make to work!

 

Explain the ec issue.

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premas; The new cards come with an EC communication signal for the new power ports (No signal no boot). This had to be 'tricked' in older models in order for the cards to fire up...

 

So technically it's not feasible without another bios mod?

I guess a 1080 is off the table.

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Example:
Yep, if you say so, but....ummm.... it sure isn't like that in GTA Anything when you have tanks and jets and blowing up everyone with no in game money to fix their cars. Yeah, I can do with out them new friends! And boy were they crying. And when we all got put into the cheater lobby It was even funnier! Every day was exciting. " I'm calling rock star so I can play with my friends" "All i did was give some money to my friends" " I didn't do anything wrong" On and on and on. And since your money was confiscated, meant you couldn't repair anything.The most fun I had for 2 months ever!