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Motherboards are the same but you would need g-sync model GPUs and a BIOS update.

 

Exactly, I don't want to have to do that. It's either that or get the 4K screen now and swap monitors later. I'm starting to wonder if I should just hold off...

 

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/csd87350q5d.pdf

Data sheet for the core fets if you are interested.

40 amps at 1.3V each is their maximum rated power output.

300-350W is the region that single card users are really going to have to start to baby sit them

 

I suggest no matter what you do hold off until your able to obtain one with @Prema bio's. Early adoption is way to risky on a machine like this especially without @Prema magic placed on it.

 

Bummer, but thanks for confirming. For some reason I expected all pascal cards to have the G-Sync chip, especially the GTX 1080. Anyone know when the G-Sync certification is likely to happen for the 1080p 120hz screen?

 

No one knows, sometimes it's a few months. Might be sooner this time. Who knows.

 

so what have you decided on your upgrade bro? are you gonna get a P870DM3?

 

Not really. I'm waiting to test the core and then might just get the 1080 and somehow get it to work in the existing system.

Otherwise I'm just going to build a 36 core desktop.

 

There is really no need to hold off because once @Prema finishes the new BIOS and vBIOS, we will flash them remotely worldwide. There will be no need to send the unit back to us to flash it.

This way too, you will be able to see how it performs without the @Prema BIOS and vBIOS, and how it performs once it has it!

The only reason to hold off is for G-Sync on the 120Hz screen. The @Prema BIOS can't fix the fact that the G-Sync chip is not on the GPU for the P870 with those screens. You will have to wait for certification for that. Once certified, the GPU with the G-Sync chip will be offered, and we will show G-Sync on our website for the 120Hz screen.

 

The VRM is most efficient (assuming 1.1V core voltage) at 105W with 150W not far off (above 93% efficient). During normal operation you are looking to dissipate around up to 9W from them.

It's obvious that the VRM number and chips has been tuned to provide excellent performance at stock and leave a lot of headroom.

 

So the current non-G-Sync GTX 1080s being supplied with my 120hz 1080p screen will be G-Sync enabled with a Prema vBios and Bios flash in the future?

 

I edited my earlier post to include:

The only reason to hold off is for G-Sync on the 120Hz screen. The @Prema BIOS can't fix the fact that the G-Sync chip is not on the GPU for the P870 with those screens. You will have to wait for certification for that. Once certified, the GPU with the G-Sync chip will be offered, and we will show G-Sync on our website for the 120Hz screen.

 

My question was answered in a previous post. Thanks for your honesty. I will hold off my purchase.

 

but I thought the certification comes with a driver update. So me ordering it now won't hold me back from having GSYNC once the driver updates comes right?

 

Please see my post just above yours where I say:
The only reason to hold off is for G-Sync on the 120Hz screen. The @Prema BIOS can't fix the fact that the G-Sync chip is not on the GPU for the P870 with those screens. You will have to wait for certification for that. Once certified, the GPU with the G-Sync chip will be offered, and we will show G-Sync on our website for the 120Hz screen.

In the alternative, we are working with Clevo now to get the P870 configured with the G-Sync chip on the GPU, and if we are successful we will update our site to say that...and also report it here.

 

Thanks again for your honesty. Some businesses would lie to get a purchase and then I would make a point to make sure all potential customers know of their deceit. For your honesty, I will keep an eye on your website for my DM3 purchase AND spread the word about you guys over at HIDevolution.

 

It's not a G-Sync chip as such, it's surface mount component differences (that physically identify G-sync and non G-sync) on the GPU and firmware licensing.

No extra hardware is involved in mobile G-sync.

 

40A rated at what temp? Up to 40A may mean the VRM is rated for 40A at 25c and gradually loses rating as it heats up.

 

The only way I would get a DM3 now is with a 4k screen (to ensure I have G-Sync certified 1080's), but the company I get it from would have to let me "downgrade" to the 1080p 120hz when it becomes certified for G-Sync at little or no cost.

 

4k panel = 27ms
1080p panel = 120hz / 5ms
No brainier here.
Its very possible they will get G-Sync eventually.
However I personally would rather 120hz + 5ms over 4k + G-Sync + 25/27ms.

 

Technically correct as always @Meaker ...it is just easier to say chip because regardless of what you call it...if it ain't there, it ain't there

 

Trust me bro, I want the 1080p 120hz screen, however both companies just confirmed that there is a difference between G-Sync and nonG-Sync GPU's. If I elect to buy one now with the 1080p screen, it likely won't ever get G-Sync.

Edit:

If, however, I get a 4K G-Sync screen, my 1080's will be G-Sync certified GPU's. This way, the only thing I need to do is "downgrade" to the 1080p 120hz panel that is G-Sync certified. If that is possible, technically.

 

The data sheet is right there

Looks like it starts to de-rate at around 90-100C.

 

Sorry, was reading data sheet on mobile. How many of these the 1080 have?

Edit: Nvm. I think you are correct on the derating. Not sure what they meant by ambient temp on data sheet for vertical/horizontal mounts, no idea what those are really.... I noticed the graph is done at 1.3v though 1080 mobile is probably not getting past 1.09v.

 

@Meaker@Sager

How many hardware revisions did the Clevo P870DM-G have, if any?

 

@Phoenix @Prema

So, what's the story with the new Pascal model(s)? Is there a possible solution for RAID / NVME SSD's and Windows 7, from Sager with the stock BIOS, or from Prema with his modded firmware?

 

zero benefit to applying more than 1.093v to a 1080 unless you LN2

 

I am not aware of anything significant, if you are after something specific PM me and I can hunt for you.

Pretty much.

1080 and 1070 = 4 phase core delivery with 2 chips per phase (both are combined high side and low side fets so both add to the rating).

 

Apologies for asking again, but I cant remember which thread I saw this in - was it confirmed that our current P870DMs can't even upgrade to a single 1080 because either the screw or heatsink wont fit properly? I know SLI will not work. Thanks

 

Totally agree with you. G-SYNC was irrelevant to me before. With FHD 120Hz FTW it would be even more so.

 

To Aussie Clevo-heads:

OK so email was too slow for me. I called Metabox today regarding the "Coming Soon" screens, ie 120Hz 1080p and 4K G-sync. The Sales rep said explicitly for BOTH screens right now ETA is at least 1 month. Any order with those screen options selected will be secured with a 10% deposit. Metabox has not changed their website regarding display options so I doubt it was a typo.

I asked about the maker of those screens, so he took my email address and said would get back as soon as more information arrived.

Another rep from Affordable Laptops (Metabox reseller) said the same as above.

Finger crossed.

 

I haven't been in such an informative and enjoyable thread outside my normal stomping grounds at arstechnica in some time. When I make my purchase, I will be sure to post my thoughts on this thread. In addition, whoever does earn my business will likely get a second purchase from my brother of the exact computer. Thank you all for your time and answers to my questions.

Rage Set aka Frank

 

Welcome! NBR is full of good people and info (as well as people to correct people that say something incorrect)... BTW, buy from a Prema partner if possible. A fully unlocked bios and properly tuned firmware make a world of difference on the performance you receive. You can get a barebone dm3 and the silicon lottery cpu and ram aftermarket and costs are about $4k.

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Eagerly awaiting your results. I sure hope it works well. If not, then I will see if I can dump it and the P750ZM on eBay and use the money from both for a desktop build. Getting screwed this bad by Clevo once is enough to last a lifetime. There's no way in hell I am going to roll the dice on buying a second castrated dual MXM turdbook. Homey don't play dat.

 

people praising how awesome the "grid" heatsink look like have forgotten that asetek made a liquid cooled M18x R1

 

That was only a prototype that never saw the light of day. Don't know if it is accurate or not, but the rumor was that Dell/Alienware bought the rights to it and killed it. Might not be accurate, but why it quietly vanished is anyone's guess.

 

No, they haven't. What they forget is how prohibitive asetek has been on patent licensing (not necessarily this design, but look at cooler master lawsuit, a couple AIO systems, etc.) and the thickness of the AW machine the cooling was in that no one has looked at it until Asus did water cooling recently, which...

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You're referring to the colostomy bag turdbook, right?

 

Yes I am! Cool use of disconnects and bypasses, but they gimped the hardware with limits when not plugged in and the colostomy bag was just... I still give an A+ for effort, but **** on execution...

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Yeah..., Dell is good at this

 

See, if it wasn't such a **** laptop with bad cooling without being connected, I would have got the 360x360 grid, external pump/reservoir combo, and quick disconnects and had a wonderful machine. But, it had a **** processor, couldn't oc without being connected, and insufficient cooling as a stand alone device...

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The 1080 should bolt into the p870dm with one of the MXM mounting screws instead of two. This probably isn't a big deal. I've run MXM cards with only 1 (or 0) screws in them and didn't have a problem. The bigger issue is can the 1080SLI heatsink be modded to fit in the p870dm or perhaps the 1070 heatsinks?

The other big issue is there has been some talk about the EC on the DM2/3 doing some funky power control for the 8-pin power connector on the 1080 and 1070. On the p870dm, the 4 pin power connector was just directly tied into the MXM power rail with no special circuitry. Some rework "might" have to be done to trick the 1080 and 1070 into thinking the DM2/3 EC is present in the p870dm. We won't know the extent of this until the service manual with full schematics drops.

Other than that, from a bios/vbios/MXM electrical standard perspective, the 1070 and 1080 won't have a problem working in the p870dm.

 

azor strikes again!

 

Yeap. Im actually happy with the current system, specially since all i play is CSGO/DOTA2/Overwatch and all of them work @ 200+ fps.
Might as well spend the $4000 on a system with **** tons of actual cores for work

 

I wonder how they did the internal with the mixed loop and the fans.

Its not entirely impossible to make a watercooling laptop like you mentioned but the trick is to make it dual functional.

 

There was one lesson Ricky Bobby learned from his daddy... and he never forgot it.

All P870DM-G owners are last now. Might be cute to see what happens if or when they release a "DM4"

Because the retards that design ASUS ROG laptops have always been incompetent imbeciles.

 

The trick is to treat it like an air-cooled laptop first, design the cooling to be adequate for full performance on air, power supply support as well - if the P870DM3 can do it, then it can be done.

*Then*, plumb it for water cooling, and improve cooling, and maybe added headroom - it's gotta be better performing on water than air, or what's the point??

But, on air, it's gotta at least run both GPU's at full boost.

It's hard to accept running without all the parts ya done brung to the game

 

I'm, glad I waited, but even if I would have bought this a few months ago, I would have just sold it at a loss and got the new machine And kept the cycle going....

That still doesn't always go over well. I had one of the first Dice/Water/air blocks ever made. It was a good idea, but very hard to get it to execute correctly. The water part worked the best though.

 

Good water coolers all share one thing:

Large radiators.

Without large radiators then they are pointless.

Dell likely killed it when the realised what a sham it was.