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ok lets start

1. hard to disassemble
2. hard to source parts
3. ass warranty with illegal tamper stickers
4. bad thermal paste
5. no holes for fan intake, indirect inefficient airflow
6. bios so locked down even the guys at T|I can't unlock it
7. 4ghz limit on 6820HKs
8. nonstandard mxm and whitelist bios
9. really crap wifi, screen, and all other peripheral
10. bad driver support
11. bad customer service

but the GX700 downclock to 980M level when not using the dock

 

That is true. As I recall, the cooling results were not nearly as good as my M18xR1 with a higher overclock with nothing but air cooling.

 

All of the Asus water-cooled laptops run performance reduced on air, that's my point it's not acceptable. I was discussing how to fix it and do it right

 

You need to significantly increase the thickness and size of the rad/machine, not entirely worth it at that point. Still dont know where to put your reservoir.

The phoenix is probably the best we can do for now on 17/18inch DTR laptops.

 

I'm inclined to agree

 

They've been the Yugo of the gamer-boy world for as long as I can remember. I've always found this very puzzling because most of what ASUS does other than laptops is good stuff. How the same company can give us stuff the caliber of Rampage motherboards and such pathetic garbage for notebooks is a sad conundrum.

 

Yes, truly amazing. I doubt it will get any better that what Clevo has accomplished with the P870 air cooling.

 

Just like on a desktop, the radiator is a separate device, the "Colostomy bag" is pretty much as svelte as it can be as it is.

Maybe if it was a "cooling tower" connected by tube's and cables it would look more functionally to the point instead of implemented as a combined dock, but the current Hydro-dock is elegantly functional.

Adding better air-cooling to the Asus water cooled laptop will make it thicker, but not that much as the laptop already has good air cooling, it just needs to be bumped up another couple of notches.

 

Shame about the new MXM nonsense.

Not talking about that at all. I am thinking of internally cooled laptop. Thickness would help with the rad. I am talking about a custom loop laptop where you can add in your own pumps, fans, rads, etc and are drainable/maintainable by the consumer.

 

Carrying the reservoir and radiator on board ain't gonna work, volume is too large to fit internally

 

Thanks for the condolences. Yeah, a financially devastating tragedy that I won't be able to recover from. If I were still a hormone-crazed teenager I probably would have already slit my wrists, LOL. Now I'm just a pissed off old man that wants to slit some throats at Clevo HQ.

 

and ROG laptop is held on a higher standard than others by salesperson and owners alike

wtf?

 

Here's the thing, the original was sealed, smelted metal pipes and no need for a radiator (although the parts would have worn out meaning purchasing the entire loop to replace it).

This one offloads the reservoir to the dock, meaning it is good on water most of the time. Laptops use heat pipes, sintered to help conduct heat, to move heat one direction. With liquid cooling, those pipes usually run through the radiator, but we also have reduced blower fan capacity compared to external, meaning the pipes through the fins can act to restrict already limited airflow. So you have to design the system with the water moving fast enough in a low resistance blocks while dumping more efficiently into a fin array than heat pipes in order to increase the cooling without having a massive fin array. Either that or throw some jet engines in that mother ****er for cooling. No matter what, it is a difficult proposition.

So they looked to external to build on. Not a bad idea IF they did what I just said. Then I'd build my little wall of 3x360x120 radiators and been fine (they already have one unified as a 360x360 I'd probably get). Wonderful for home or elsewhere. But Asus is Asus and their laptops are ****e, as Mr. Fox said, leaving us bewildered because of their other products...

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Well, most children believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too. The reason for that is people they trust to teach them the truth derive pleasure from lying to them.

 

It's all about the Cash!!

 

Finally I can talk about what I been thinking of for the last month WC laptop! Waiting for someone to really go into this!

So here is my idea, increase thickness of the machine(similar to p570wm) and run it with high static pressure fans to force the air through the thick internal rad. This way, you save viable space inside laptop and you dont need a massive dock. Still thinking of where to place the res or anything. Ofcourse this would need to be a 22inch machine....

I am not that knowledgable about WC so feel free to tell me why this would be a disaster.

 

I'm all ears.

 

Ok, if you really want to do this without blowing up the size to fit everything, take stuff out.

Take out the keyboard and trackpad, now you can set up the internal radiator with the space remaining.

The GT80 keyboard takes up the bottom half of the laptop, all the electronics are in that thin top area under that metal plate in front of the laptop.

Reverse that alignment and put the radiator at the back with the electronics, heatpipes / water path in the front.

And, use a 18" laptop to provide and hide all that space required.

The original GT80 design had a detachable keyboard, so you could clip one on the outside - with the trackpad - to make it look complete.

 

The idea might not be too bad if you could order different sizes of radiators for the laptop.

3x140mm / 3x120mm / 2x140mm / 2x120mm
with varying thickness

Maybe a 18.4" chassis could integrate it into the chassis?

2x2x140 or 2x2x120 as a square instead of a rectangle?

 

Not sure I would like the radiator under the keyboard though?

 

It wouldn't. In fact, the water cooled AW was increased in thickness to that of the P570WM to accommodate the pump and cooling. We have more powerful fans than back then, especially with the switch to 12V fans, which could allow for better than what that AW machine achieved. I'd have to see whether a 4 fan, full back fin array would work.

As to the 22 inch, are you familiar with the old 23" Dell laptops? Not saying to do everything like them, but you can look at different form factors for ideas since you are discussing something that size. In addition, look at the desktop AIOs with the 1080s in them that have been proposed. I'm always here to bounce ideas, even though there are others with more water cooling experience than me here...

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Was thinking about doing it in a similar format like the gt80 except bigger!

The keyboard layout of GT80 means a 360/240mm rad can be placed in the front but we will have to run with thinner rads to make sure the thickness of the machine is not entirely insane. A thin 240mm rad wont be enough for a GP102 and HEDT chip overclocked. Which is what I am hoping can be achieved with this.

Probably thinking of M2 slots only to save space.

 

The rad would be in front of the keyboard taking up the empty space in front of it. It will be in the empty space in front of the keyboard of the "gt80 layout".

I have never seen the 23inch dells before and I can take a look tomorrow.

As for hybrid GPUs, they are great except you still need active cooling for vrms/mems. I like what evga did with their hybrid, less so for MSI.

It could work though....a 120mm rad for gpu and a blower pushing air from the left side of the laptop to the right to cool vrms/mem chips. You need vents on the side of the chassis and an opening for the fan at the top but this would mostly help with upgradability considerably...

 

I was meaning desktop AIO where the motherboard and components are stored in limited space behind the screen, but pc versions of what Mac did...

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Sorry, was thinking of AIO hybrid cooling LOL.

I seen some of them, if the fan of the gpu is facing upwards and pushing air out of the side.... I think it could work.... just size issues. I am gonna measure my card's thickness tomorrow.

 

Maybe weave the cooling radiator into the walls of the case... the entire case bottom, sides, and back of the display - all active cooling elements - make the box the cooler

 

The point is to think what to do with the space and with cooling, including how the pci slot is positioned, multiple fans to suck in and blow out the back through the fins like a desktop card or the longer blower fans. If you are going thicker, leave everything on the table until ruled impossible...

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Ultra thin radiator at fan intake is what I just heard here! You want it looped after the exhaust but does add cooling to the loop...

Edit: and yes, I know overall loop order doesn't matter, but...

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Fair enough. Will look tmr morning. I am adding thickness for better rads, I dont think there is a way of avoiding that. It would be easily over 6mm.

 

2.5" isn't that bad for what you are trying to accomplish...

Taking it you meant centimeter, not millimeter. I believe it is 2.4cm per inch about...

Edit: 2.54 cm = 1 inch

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plus fans and I think some clearance on the chassis and floor would be good for airflow.

 

Watching fifth element to fall asleep! Lol!

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ASMR bro. Much easier.

 

Yeah, but sometimes it keeps me awake instead of falling out...

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The question is...how will the 1080 SLI do with staying cool? Looking forward to seeing some real world testing.

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And there is the radiator space right there....


Side note:
Check out those amps...

 

33.8... nice

 

Seeing as my bad boy DM3 was ordered yesterday. I am ordering the accessories. Can someone please chime in on what is the best laptop case?

Requirements:
- slides onto carry-on handle (for easy transport)
- best finish (cost isn't an issue)
- can also fit a gaming mouse, ipad and an iPad/surface

Thanks

 

Me too, that previous video clip with the 1080 sli, going all the way to 90 degrees, has me worried. I mean, my 980m sli right now, still have a significant temperature difference between the master and slave cards.

 

by the way bro, your signature has nVIDIA GeForce GT 980M, it's actually GTX 980M

you forgot the X, there's a huge difference

 

Oops, corrected.

 

I'm carring my P370EM3 (few millimeters smaller in dimensions) with headphones, 3D glasses, mouse and whole lot of other stuff in this bag

It might be a close fit with previous bag then it won't be the case with this one

 

1080 want so bad LOL

 

@Donald@HIDevolution
But you already have GPUS with this chips (the ones used for 4K G-Sync screen). Cant you offer these GPUs with the 120hz 1080p screen so that when the 1080p panel get certification, GPU swap is not required?

Or is this prohibited to use these GPUs with non-certified panels?

I am sorry to keep bringing this up, but i really need this clarifications because if the GPU doesn't support G-Sync then it will mean I will not be able to get G-Sync working even in external monitors. That is a deal breaker!

 

Not looking for a backpack.

I need a shoulder bag that can slide on top of my rolling carry on bag

 

You can always use g-sync on external monitors, that's not linked to having g-sync GPUs or not.

 

This is so confusing if the GPU in the laptop isnt a GSYNC one then how will it have GSYNC on an external monitor?

 

Because NVIDIA only licenses the use on the internal screen and there are no g-sync or non g-sync models for 'REAL' Desktop GPUs.
Apart from that the external g-sync monitors have paid their own license fees to NVIDIA to make it work with whatever 'NVIDIA' GPU you connect.

 

MODS PLEASE DELETE

 

I am always smiling over your new 'word-creations' to express your feelings, but this just totally cracked me up! Clevo better ups their security team...LOL

@ ALL Clevo re-seller / -brander:

You better get Mr. Fox a P870DM3 trade-in deal for his P870DM (so he can do 1080 SLI) before it's too late!!!