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What is also confusing (at least to me) is that on the HIDevolution site, when configuring a DM2, all 3 gpu options show G-Sync enabled, while the FHD monitor does not (which I already knew since it is awaiting certification).

 

Here is something to think about that may be able to be improved upon for laptop cooling..

https://www.techpowerup.com/225055/cooler-master-announces-the-masterliquid-maker-92-cpu-cooler

 

I don't know the arrangement Mr. Fox had with Eurocom in helping with testing and tweaking but it would seem they should offer or reach out to him. Along with Prema he spent hours and days tweaking and testing and doing videos. But it would be a great decision for any of the vendors to have Mr. Fox alongside Prema as a partner and namesake.

 

It took them this long to figure out that form factor? You'd think it would be the first thing they would think of - substituting water for air in the vertical cooler.

And, ahh, that's gonna put a big lump in the keyboard...

 

Howz about they just fix it for everyone, while they are at it??

It's the right thing to do, for everyone.

 

It's a starting point to maybe think about. Cooler masters final design could be a concept for some engineer to start working with for a laptop CPU or CPU cooler

 

We all know that won't happen so, instead of carrying on about it move on and make the best of what we have. The design is done, it's not changing.

 

Pulling the thing apart and using those thin components might work.

But, using their design tools for form factor fitting parts would be better.

At least we know the tiny parts that would fit in a laptop chassis work together

Now, what about air flow?

 

I don't think enough has been done or said to demonstrate just how messed up this is, and Clevo needs to know that isn't acceptable behavior to their clients that spent $XXXX to get an upgradable solution - MXM + socketed CPU = generational support.

If they want to swap chassis or components other than GPU's to make a working solution, that's fine too.

The design is done, yes, let Clevo deal with the consequences of their decision and make it right for their P870DM customers.

I don't think purchasing the DM2/DM3 should be done by anyone concerned with future upgradability of the DM/DM2/DM3 until a solution is brought forward by Clevo.

It's gonna weigh heavily on their shipping numbers this generation.

 

I hope it does. They basically treated everyone like Aleinware did. The consumer always looses in these battles. As much as I've seen this happen over and over we never win. I can't think of a time that a OEM has reversed course to help or compensate us.

 

Alienware did lose in that battle, that should be a lesson to Clevo.

 

Well that's not really the case. AW downgraded all their systems, while clevo actually upped their game by introducing P870DM3.
Its really ironic, if Clevo hadn't released P870DM3 and only kept the P870DM2 their flagship, nobody would have been complaining because P870DM2 is a direct upgrade to original P870DM. (980mSLI/single DT980 to 1070SLI/Single 1080).
Its only the existence of P870DM3 that is causing this stir.

 

so shall I cancel my order on my current laptop or will the GSYNC come to that AUO 120hz 5ms screen via driver update after nVIDIA has certified it? or better wait? I currently told them to put the order on hold

 

Is there an upgrade kit for the P870DM to P870DM2?

AFAIK, that's not offered, and it's been said it won't work - all guesses at this point as there is no Clevo statement for upgrade.

And, the original P870DM was supposed to support 2 x 980 class SLI, which is also 1080. The generational jump from 980 to 1080 was too close to ship both.

The P870DM can work with 1080 SLI, new components are needed, but for any GPU upgrade that has differing cards that's standard.

Clevo should offer conversion of P870DM to P870DM2/DM3, but they haven't offered anything at all, just order forms for the new models, and *that's* the problem.

 

Didn't this same thing happen on the P870DM when it first shipped? As I recall people shipped back their units to get upgraded Display and GPU's, one or the other or both.

 

nope, and I was the first one on the forums to get it aside from Mr. Fox who had a Eurocom test unit. I got the first consumer unit as I had paid and pre-ordered from HIDevolution before it was even released. The only thing I was missing back then was the Prema BIOS

 

And it had G-sync certification and functionality on both GPU and Display?

As I recall there were people that got non-G-sync MXM boards and they wanted G-sync, so they either had to swap them themselves or send it back for the vendor to swap them, maybe those were build mistakes.

So if these DM2/DM3 models don't have certified internal display G-sync certification for both the GPU and Display, then this is a different situation. Then I'd definitely wait for this to get cleared up before ordering.

 

I keep hearing in the forums that it will be possible to upgrade to single 1080. Eurocom is even selling 1080 for $1200. So i think it will be possible . If this is not the case or it requires expensive peripherals then definitely this is a messed up move by clevo.
To be honest i dont really understand why Clevo did it. I see no reason but some shady tactics to make people buy the complete laptop. But comparing them to AW is not fair.

Yes i had heard about this and thats why i was confident that it could be done on 120hz 1080p screens as well. Maybe the GPUs came with the G-Sync chip on the the orignal P870DM.

 

the MSI GT73VR seems to come with GSync as per people who already received their unit on the MSI threads

 

Here's what I was remembering, a few early posts, not gonna go page by page looking for 'sync' through the whole thread, but this should be a good start:

"Edit 2: " Ultra-HD Panel AU B173ZAN01.0 is not G-SYNC-compatible""

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...hoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-9#post-10097301

"Not g-sync compatible and not g-sync licensed (yet) are two different things. "

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...hoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-9#post-10097309

"I am actually hoping for official support down the line...but I guess there is always plan-b."

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-has-arisen.781814/page-10#post-10097333

 

I think it was not at start, it was sometime later when there was a screen shortage or something. I dont remember exactly when and what, but something like that did happen.

 

no when I ordered it all was GSYNC compatible. Only the 4K screens weren't but then Prema fixed that with a BIOS update provided the GPU was GSYNC also

 

And:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT72VR-6RE-015US-Notebook-Review.171103.0.html

isn't this a test of the 120hz 5ms screen? It's more like 20ms? or?

 

It's vertical or horizontal. You can re-position it. It's like a transformer.

 

This is the GT72VR I am talking about the GT73VR

 

Checked on HID Evolution site:
http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p870dm3-dual-gtx-1080.html

This time there doesn't seem to be a non-G-sync option for the Video card, whereas last generation you could have with or without G-sync, this generation there is only a G-sync enabled video card, at least on the DM3 model:

Video Card
DUAL NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5 X (Desktop version), 200W - NVIDIA G-Sync Enabled w/ Unlocked Prema vBIOS - Latest Updated Version once available - Contact us for details

But, the 1080p panel is absent G-sync mention:

LCD Panel
Choose between spectacular Full HD (1920x1080) AUO 120Hz - 5ms or 4K QFHD (3840x2160) AUO displays. The Full HD 120Hz - 5ms screen is simply gorgeous and fast. The 4K screen supports NVIDIA G-Sync Technology - synchronizes display refresh rates to the GPU to enable ultra smooth gameplay

• 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) AUO 120Hz - 5ms LED Antiglare Matte Type Display (G-sync not mentioned)
• 17.3" 4K QFHD (3840x2160) AUO LED Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology +$290.00

 

Right, but pulling off the radiator completely, and setting it side by side to the CPU block would give the least height impingement.

 

The GPUs themselves come in g-sync and regular flavor just like last gen.

Depends on how important internal g-sync is for you. They can't rip g-sync GPUs from 4K systems or 120Hz screens from regular models en masse...

MSI uses LG Philips LGD046E instead of AUO B173HAN01.2

 

then i'm cancelling this entire order.

No GSYNC is a big deal breaker for me and never gonna buy a 4K screen.

 

Can you use a G-Sync GPU in a non-G-Sync laptop and vice versa?

 

Just saying they could maybe do it for you, but not for every customer as that would mess-up their stock and also requires a special BIOS Mod for below reasons...

It works but in most cases breaks the native driver support...

 

Do anyone know any european resellers that offer the p870dm2/3 with a single 1080? I've only seen american ones. Why is that?

 

The HID Evolution site, where I am looking at this:
http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p870dm3-dual-gtx-1080.html

The video card option says G-sync enabled no matter which Display I choose.

Does that mean selecting the 1080p screen (which isn't G-sync enabled) still ships with G-sync enabled video cards?

If the 1080p screen ships with non-G-sync enabled video cards, that means I can't upgrade the display to a G-sync display later when they are available to get internal G-sync.

This is an important distinction that should be explicitly stated when the 1080p screen is selected.

@Donald@HIDevolution

 

how can they do it for me?

 

They would have to swap the GPUs from a 4K g-sync model and put them into your FHD model (which would kill g-sync in the 4K) and then use a special BIOS Mod (probably on both models) to keep driver support.
That still wouldn't give you g-sync support until certification is done. At which point you would need to flash yet another BIOS.

Hence I said that's not something ANY re-seller would do en masse, if at all.

 

Any difference on the screens? There was a praise somewhere that these screens will be fast. 5ms etc.
So far, I've only seen a 20ms test. Concerned.

 

It's odd that Clevo would pick this way to arrange things.

If certification for that panel is forth-coming, why not provide the G-sync enabled cards with the 1080p panel, and the "special BIOS", until certification comes through, then they only need to flash a new BIOS with G-sync turned on when certification comes through.

Otherwise all the 1080p owners that want G-sync when the 1080p panel is certified will need to ship back their laptops to get non-Gsync GPU's swapped for G-sync ones.

Very odd.

 

To some, maybe.... But to others, nope. The reason for the new design change was because they could not cool 980N SLI. So they never made it public that it would actually work.

That would be my best guess as to why.

 

Because you can't sell something as g-sync and waste useless money on license fees for GPUs on a screen that may never ever get it (pending doesn't mean it's guaranteed to pass QC) .
Clevo's official stance as of today is simply no g-sync on 120Hz.
Also that 'special BIOS' would not be something coming from Clevo...

 

hmmm, I wonder who is it coming from then

 

So as it sits today, even though the panel may eventually be certified for G-sync, and work as such with G-sync GPU's, all the non-G-sync certified 1080p 120hz shipping units will come with non-G-sync GPUs.

Which means if we really want G-sync 1080 120hz, we better work out a swap arrangement for G-sync GPU's replacing the shipped non-G-sync GPU's with the seller ahead of time.

Or, wait to order until the 1080p 120hz display is G-sync certified, and then order it with the correctly paired G-sync GPU's.

 

Wow, you guys.... This thread is already almost 2000 posts without anybody get their hands on one.....

 

well these books are interesting , still undecided if i get a 775DMx or a 870DM2, just want my 120hz screen *sniff*

 

At least they could have offered the old 75hz 1080p IPS G-Sync panel. I am not interested in 4K and can live without 120hz. But want G-sync.
Clevo screwed up more than one thing here.

 

Clevo has all the options available but the importer are placing orders as they see fit and the reseller depend on those.

 

It is interesting to note that the reseller, Metabox, is offering a 1080p 120hz G-Sync and 4k 120hz G-Sync panel; both of which are coming soon. It might be wise for everyone to hold off their purchases of the DM2 or DM3, if indeed other resellers will be offering those panels in a month or so.

 

You can have them send it to me, bro. I don't give a rat's ass about G-STINK... especially with 120Hz and 5ms 1080 awesomeness. All it will do it screw up your benchmark scores if you forget to disable it. But, we're definitely speaking the same language on 4K.

 

Yes it seems Clevo says 1080P 120Hz G-Sync is possible. Also International resellers have it listed.
Oh the confusion, what a tease lol. I defo want the 120Hz /5ms panel with G-Sync if possible.
However if the 120Hz doesnt have G-Sync I still wouldnt choose the 4k just to get G-Sync.

 

20ms test where? And which panel was tested?
Nevermind, found it. Ya thats normally how panels are. They test higher then they are rated but this seems a bit extreme. I hope the AUO panel tests better then that.

 

I have two 4K TV's with no real 4K content sources to speak of. I only got them to future proof my entertainment centers. I prefer an amazing 1440p panel to be honest. Right now, I'm using my dual Ultra-Wide LG 29UM67-P monitors, which I love. They have been boosted to 75hz with a little magic.

For my DTR, I really don't want a 4k panel (although that 4K 120hz G-Sync panel on Metabox does interest me a bit), either a high quality 1080p or 1440p 120hz G-Sync screen will do for me. If those options were available today, I would have ordered my DM3 already.