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GTX 1080 SLI should give you mostly 60fps+ at 4k if you are not trying to max every game.

This would be the first real 4k solution on a laptop.

 

This is a deal breaker for me too so I had to cancel my order. HIDevolution and other resellers should make sure to be clear about this on their websites. Like hmscott pointed out, their site says the GTX 1080 is G-Sync enabled, but now we know this is only true if you order the 4K screen. I do appreciate HIDevolution following up with me and being honest about the situation. I will hold out for the 120hz 1080p to be certified and then place my order with them again.

 

99% sure that the 4k 120hz panel is a typo. I'm sure other resellers / other brands would be using it or advertising it.
So far there has not been a 4k 120hz laptop panel spotted in the wild.
I guess I could be wrong but my common sense tells me I'm not.

 

4k 120hz is useless anyway. As of today we can barely run games @Max @4k @60fps, now try doubling that. Ain't gonna happen unles you own two Titan XP's, or drop down settings.

 

Can eDP even power 4k 120hz? I dont think even 2 titan XP is good enough for that.

 

Gskill has 3333mhz 16-18-18-43 sodimm modules

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g-skill-shows-ddr4-3333mhz-cl14-128gb-and-ddr4-3333mhz.html

 

Nice find. Bet you can't find it for sale... I don't see it on their web page yet. Will definitely be nice if and when it materializes. Let's hope it is as stable as my 16GB DDR4-3000 modules.

 

You probably may need to tune the IMC for 3333mhz to be stable, although skylake have better IMC than the Haswell Es for sure. Some very good RAMs though....

 

In case people were still in doubt the DM3 heatsink is indeed using vapor chamber technology.

 

That's wonderful news. Interesting that the master GPU hit 90°C in Eurocom's video of Unigine Heaven. Hopefully, that was just a bad application of TIM and not something else. I'm really looking forward to seeing how things look with a maxed out 1080 SLI OC once you and @johnksss and @Prema receive your new machines... already seen enough stock belly-button benchmarks. We're long overdue for some real honest-to-goodness Pascal notebook overclocking action.

 

It is possible that we would only need a copy of the XMP profile. Then it could be flashed on the module's we already have, thus unlocking 3333 mhz.....Speculation of course....

 

1080 sli is still a lot of heat given turbo boost 3.0 which will look to ride the cards to their max temps.

I have some ideas but I will share everything including data sheets this time around.

Disclaimer: This will start getting warranty voiding real fast.

That or they got a new batch that binned really well.

 

Both eDP 1.4a and 1.4b support 4K at 120hz.

Edit: Correction

 

I think you're probably correct, Brother John. I was able to get one 16GB 3000 module to 3333 with manual timings, but never could get two to be bootable. Probably missed something on my settings, but never did figure it out.

My warranty was voided on day one. Results are what matter most. As long as the Clevo reseller is reasonable and doesn't arbitrarily look for lame excuses to refuse to pay for defective parts that fail only due to defects, mods should be inconsequential. Looking forward to whatever it is you're planning to share.

 

Single channel helps with memory stability if you are running it that high.

 

Single channel 3333 was almost 50% slower than dual channel 3000 so it was irrelevant. I ran it for about a half hour with one DIMM, benched it a bit and went back to XMP-3000 because slower was boring.

 

Current BIOS has no support to boot at 3333, 3200Mhz is the max. But we can always lower the timings...

 

There's 20 different timings aren't there? low tfrc seems pretty good

At some point you'll need to increase the voltage beyond 1.20v though

 

I know, I was just saying its there if you just want to see if you can boot with the speed. Like people who lock cores to clock their processor higher...

I dont believe there is adjustable DIMM voltage on P870DM. At least last I heard.

Those RAMs are rated at 1.35v.

 

Hummm, that would be some super binning, because that's a 2 stage jump. 3000 to 3200 to 3333...

Because you would have needed to change the memory voltage, qpi/vtt voltage and maybe the ref voltage. There is one other but forget what that is at the moment. 16 GB needs more voltage than 8 GB chips when trying to run more than 1 chip. Also some timings may or may not need to be changed.

That's why you need to be able to flash XMP. Now the AW M18XR2 had the option to change voltage.

 

RAM voltage change will be there (at least in the Mod), same goes for SPD/XMP write capability.

 

Now that is good news! Did not want to have to get another machine just for flashing.

 

How safe is it to add voltage to RAM modules using your BIOS? I have seen the option, but never had the balls to try it. Since i read somewhere that OC'ing the RAM, as it is increases the load on the IMC.

 

Thus you may need to boost your IMC voltage(SA? Not sure what it is on Z170 systems). I think DIMM voltage is for memory modules itself. Its like anything other voltage really.... there is always a risk.

IMO

 

Still curious on the cooling performance of grid vs single T for 1080?

 

I did up the voltage... still would not boot with 1.25V or 1.35V with two sticks, only one. Probably due to lack of support in the BIOS for more than 3200 as @Prema said. Also note, there are no BIOS voltage settings. Had to be done with Thaiphoon Burner XMP edits, so that could also be why. I was able to do edit the XMP profiles after I upgraded to the better TB version, but that did not help. There are no voltage adjustments available in the BIOS for the memory. Edit: there are BIOS memory voltage settings, but they don't work... just wanted to be accurate on that.

Do you think there is any chance we can get that for the DM-G as well? Kind of sucks having to use Thaiphoon Burner XMP mods to bump the memory voltage. Not the end of the world if we don't, but sure would be nice if we did.

 

It's built into the processor. Skylake can do 3000-3200 easily while Broadwell-E can barely go past 3200-3300. It could do 4133+ if the motherboard supports it. (OC Formula/Impact)

 

Do you know if they used vapor chambers on the 7xxdmx series new heatsink (cpu side)?

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This is being looked into too. Again I will only confirm if the answer is iron clad.

 

This is why I asked if bclk over clocking really worked way back when. You can use that to find out how high you can get the memory to go in stages. Other wise you are making big jumps that take allot more than the standard voltage setting change. You might be stable at 3300, but not stable at 3333

 

I am not yet done with the original Phoenix!

 

Thaiphoon burner did alright, but was screwy on my ddr3 sodimm xmp flashes. Got me 2400 as my default, full stable. But Digital and analog IO are what we ha in bios, SA in Windows for zm, if memory serves. But having all in bios, ram, dmi (SA), digital and analog IO would be wonderful!!!

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Awesome to hear that.
I'm just worried that people will soon start dumping their org Phoenix's, even before anyone tries to stick a 1080 in there.

 

I thought skylake has fully bifurcated the process so that bclk and dmi clk overclocking are separate?

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Awesome! I'm excited to hear that you have more tricks up your sleeve, bro.

Can you send me your SPD dump so I can try it on El Cazador? I finally gave up on my 2400 manual timing resetting to stock all the time. Was just too much of a hassle having to constantly reapply the settings 3 or 4 times a week. I wish there was a way to disable the stupid Intel Watchdog Timer crap in the BIOS. That piece of trash from Intel is utterly worthless. I miss that about the R2. Being able to disable that was a nice feature. My OC settings never got erased unless I intentionally cleared the CMOS.

 

I'll get it to you later today or tomorrow. It's on one of my external hardrives in a backup before I started fresh and I haven't installed thaiphoon burner for a fresh dump yet...

Btw, after a fresh install, no errors or bsods at all with the profiles.

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@Mr. Fox - This should help you out... The XMP profiles don't work and wouldn't flash exactly what I was telling it to, so don't try the XMP profiles (unless you want and get lucky). Remember, intel spec puts +500mV for limits on the SA, Vioa, and Viod, but most recommend 200-250 offset on air if you plan on playing with those settings. The stock voltage on the SA is around .8-.95, so 1.2V on the DMI is the upper recommended limit for haswell (meaning 1.35 is pushing it if the stock on your CPU is .8, although most are closer to .9V)...

Prepared by Thaiphoon Burner Super Blaster
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Speed Grade : DDR3-2404
Capacity : 8192 MB
Organization : 1024M x64 (2 ranks)
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Register Model : N/A
Manufacturing Date : Week 11, 2016
Manufacturing Location : Taiwan
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Die Density / Dies Count : 4 Gb / 1 die
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Clock Frequency : 1202 MHz (0.832 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays : 11-13-14-27-40
Read Latencies Supported : 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T, 9T
Supply Voltage : 1.50 V / 1.35 V
XMP Enthusiast : 1333 MHz / 12-14-14-35-56 / 1.65 V
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XMP Revision : 1.3 / November 2010
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Edit: Also, I need no voltage offset for stable to run the SPD settings for these timings. You just may need them if playing with the XMP profile or if your ram isn't equal in performance (batch variance).

 

So guys I want to buy this beauty here in Portugal and keep my current P377SM-A just in case..
Wanted to order with the following specs:
Cpu: 6700k
Ram: 32gb ddr4 at 2400mhz
No disks: (keeping my SSD's from P377SM-A)
Gpu: dual 1080's

After reading the whole thread, I might wait a couple of months until I order it, so it can come with gsync LCD and gsync 1080's.

Did I do OK? To wait? Thank you all and specially @Mr. Fox and @Prema

 

If your SSD's are mSATA, they won't work in the DM2/3 since it only has M.2 slots.

 

Well then I'll keep the msata in the P377Sm-a lol. Well just got the info from the Portuguese store that their models already are gsync (LCD and gpus). The certification for lcd's and gpu's is out? As I read here, just got confused about it

 

There's already a couple up on ebay, mine will be next soon as I can take some pics.

 

Almost all of the resellers of the DM3 are selling two panel options, 1080p 120hz NonG-Sync or 4k 60hz G-Sync. The only way to get a 1080 GPU that is certified for G-Sync is to buy a panel that is G-Sync certified...which means the 4K screen at this time.

Most of us are waiting for the 1080p 120hz panel to be G-Sync certified before we make our purchase.

 

We have tried to make our website clear and I have said the capabilities of each on that front. It's fair enough if you want to wait.

Don't forget external g-sync is supported on all our 10xx series products at the moment.

 

If you don't want to cancel orders, you can let them hold the cash and tell them hold off shipping until they get the certification (although this could be months) and pay any difference at that time. I did that for my HM years ago to wait for the SB refresh! Some companies will, some won't, so just talk to the reseller and check in once it is available on the market so you are first in line!

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I'll do that. For now I'll hold until 1080p panels are certified

 

They will work in an msata to 2.5" adapter.

 

Got one already for when I had to get my P377SM-a a new mobo. Works perfectly for a 9usd adapter

 

This whole G-Sync thing is turning into just another ordeal.
I dont get why the systems cant just ship with the G-Sync hardware and then later on once the panels are certified, it can be activated using a BIOS/Driver update.

 

Money! The money! ( )

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Damn nVidia and gsync...
Whe want to give them money but need to wait and wait lolol