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But its just going to end up backfiring, and AFAIK the G-Sync GPU's are available with the sellers. Correct me someone if im wrong. Im deducing this from pictures that has been posted around.

 

They are, but probably limited supply and only in the approved display models at the moment...

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The latter part is whats stupid lol. Probably being limited to the 4K panel only right now, for moar profeets.

 

And it helps the resellers you ship it back to and pay for the difference when they switch out components, for the ones that do that. Otherwise, you have to buy the card and resell the ones you have...

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Is anyone else unable to download the manuals from Clevo? I've been trying for a couple days now.

Edit: Thanks to Bloodhawk for the link

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019...o+2.5+sata&dpPl=1&dpID=41RxKGaCJLL&ref=plSrch

 

It is all about the money, like ajc9988 stated. It seems to me the reason why Clevo only got the 4K panel G-Sync certified is their belief that the 4K panel was going to be in demand based off the 1080's ability to play some games 60fps+ at 4K. As a business owner, I understand where they are coming from. The market usually dictates where you spend your R&D dollars and they placed their bets on 4K. We will see over the up and coming months if they chose correctly.

If you look at the total market, 4K is everywhere. I have been doing some research on new business notebooks and a lot of them come with 4K displays, along with a 960M dGPU. This is the market for whatever reason. We moving pass battery life and more into gimmicks (in regards to business workstations). Luckily for me, I waited on my purchase of the Surface Book otherwise I would have been very angry with that purchase.

 

Isn't it the exact same 4K panel? The reason why it's certified is because it was already certified.

 

It's not Clevo that gets the display certified, it is the display manufacturers, and it takes awhile. That process is the issue. Clevo selects displays to offer. Resellers and distributors choose which to carry of those Clevo chose, our get aftermarket displays to offer for install, for an additional cost.

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That's weird. Most mid to large corporations have their component suppliers/manufacturers develop according to their specs. To be fair with your statement, I never truly heard of Clevo until I delve deep into my research of the MXM spec, so they might not be large enough or have the clout to dictate a specific spec for the displays they use. When I think of OEM tech companies, I think of a Samsung, Apple, Microsoft and the like, who have control of every aspect of their products...including the feature spec of the displays they use.

 

I don't think any resellers are doing this. At least HIDevolution isn't. I had to cancel my order.

 

I'm sure they do, but display manufacturer AUO is sizeable in their own right and Nvidia targeted the g-sync certification at display manufacturers overall. As such, you are looking at the wrong market segment, laptops inside of computer manufacturers, instead of computer display manufacturers inside of display manufacturers.

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Check mythlogic and their continuous update program terms and conditions.

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120hz is already cerified for G-sync as of 27th of july. all sellers that got their barebones manufactured before that date are missing it apparently

 

Source?


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Interesting... I was told it could be anywhere from two weeks to two months before the screen would be certified. Sounded like the representative from HIDevolution was being honest with me. If he's mistaken, I guess that means they have supply of the non-g sync cards they need to move through?

 

Clevo Headquarters.

already paid for 120hz G-sync models and waiting to be shipped next week.

 

i guess thats the timeframe they need to have it manufatured and delivered from China. since it's hot and waiting time from order placement is quite long.

 

i got lucky that i had payment delayed due to changing banks that we work with, otherwise i would also get a batch of non-G 120hz models. it was a 3-4 days delay luck.

 

Well I talked to Donald from HIDevolution today and apparently, he's going to check production for a definitive answer on that very subject. What he did tell me is that if I go with a 4K G-Sync panel on a DM3, I wouldn't be able to exchange the panel for a 1080p 120hz G-Sync when it became certified due to cable incompatibility.

 

So all of this is adding up. It looks like the American resellers were too fast to order and now we consumers have to wait. It makes sense that some global resellers have or will have the G-Sync 120hz panels. Sucks for us, lol.

 

you can always replace the cable.

 

It comes down to which Prema Bios partner gets the 1080p 120hz G-Sync DM3 in first. I really hope it is HIDevolution though, because thus far they have been great with their communication and desire to meet my needs/wants.

 

If the BIOS does not have the memory voltage option, maybe try to code the UEFI variable using Khenglish's method?
In DM-G the variable is 0x2AD, 1.25v is the largest value can be coded because of 8 bits offset.
But even though I can manage to run 1.35v, I still can't boot with the following configurations:
3200MHz - 16-18-18-39
3000MHz - 15-15-15-35
3000MHz - 14-16-16-36
At the end I can boot with 3000MHz - 15-16-16-35, now it's being tested in Memtest, hopefully it can pass with 4 runs.
My sticks are 2x16G Corsair 3000MHz with default 16-18-18-39.

 

Hummm, now that is interesting...I'll have to check to see which one mine will have in it as well.

 

I spoke with @Donald@HIDevolution and I have decided two things. First, I am holding off my DM3 purchase until it has been confirmed the 1080p 120hz is G-Sync certified and shipping. Second, HIDevolution has earned my business from this point forward. Excellent customer service that is honest and straightforward.

 

Does anybody know for sure yet if we P870DM(-G) users can or cannot upgrade to two 1080's in SLI, if not I will be very disappointed as I purchased this laptop primarily for its upgradability.

 

Source?


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Exactly. I would like the source as well. Seems strange he will have it and the other resellers don't.

 

Not sure yet. Look at one of my previous posts on the matter. Basically we're waiting for the DM2/DM3 service manual to drop with the schematics to see just how much trickery has to be done with the EC and the 8 pin power for the graphics cards.

The short answer is 1080 SLI is definitely compatible. The only question is how much physical and electrical modding do you need to do.

 

He deals with Clevo and buys directly from them *facepalm*

 

Ouch

 

Look back a few pages and you will find @aarpcard answered me about potential risks with 1, which makes me think that 2 are even less likely.

 

I am very disappointed P870DM owners cannot upgrade to the 1080 GTX, the main point of me getting a desktop replacement taptop was to upgrade, it seems we can't upgrade neither CPUs nor GPUs anymore

 

I hear you - I just got this in April, after having an M18X for 4+ years after upgrading it to 680Ms in SLI. The sole reason I ditched Alienware and went with Clevo was so that I could upgrade later.

 

Unfortunately the answer is no, it will not work because the power connectors for the 1080 are much wider on both ends than on the 900 series, so it cannot connect to the motherboard.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

 

Is it only because of the connector Or can the two on board connectors be made into one for the single card setup to function?

 

OK thanks for the info, I'm hoping that upgrades can be done by the resellers as I don't really fancy modding my laptop, I saw this as a future investment (at least as long as the life of the CPU socket in terms of CPU upgrades) , but now it seems that we cant upgrade the laptop's GPU past the 980's.

What is weird is it seems that the case looks almost identical, not seen the back side yet though, as the new ones (barring the extra tb port)

 

I heard even the 75W Clevo version of 1060 required 8 pins power connector, ToT

 

They changed just enough crap to totally shut us out, bro. At least there is some comfort in knowing that you're not alone in this tragedy. As they say, misery loves company. Not even one opportunity for a GPU refresh makes this the most uselessly crippled dead-end high performance laptop I have owned since 2006. Feels pretty bad to go from being totally stoked about owning an amazing product that you're truly crazy excited about on one day to to totally regretting having purchased it the next day.

 

Btw, @Mr. Fox , let me know how that spd dump works for you...

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Bummer

 

Not being funny, but if as the HID employee said the cable/connection size is the only difference (excluding the bottom case cover and changed heatsinks) which isn't that difficult to change if we can buy the parts ourselves, surely having a custom power cable/connector cant be that difficult can it? or am i missing something major!?

 

There will always be a way, just gotta be patient fellas. I trust @Prema , when he says it will work. Sure it might take a few months to get everything sorted, but at least it will.
The Cable can be modded and stuff , thats not that big a problem and the new T-heat sink will fit.

 

Oh cool I didn't see @Prema say it will work was that in this thread??

 

Yeap

 

Agh the days of the fully upgrade able Alienware 18, where art thou

 

Check out the teenage turdbook clown all happy about Clevo screwing P870DM-G owners... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...debut-at-pax-west.795016/page-3#post-10319498

The Alienware 18 was a complete abortion the day it was released... and, it still is. Crippled severely and less upgradable than what we have now.

 

Clevo got my interest initially because of upgradebility, but it looks like these days you cannot count on that anymore. Seems like getting top specs laptop makes more sense then getting something good enough now with idea to upgrade later.

 

just enjoy the laptop for 4-5years and buy a new one. why would you buy a 3-4k laptop, use it for 6 months and pay 2k to upgrade graphics???