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True dat... but, fan noise is something that LOTS of people exaggerate about. Some expect silence or close to it. I think sometimes this perception can vary widely based on individual preferences and expectations. I've had people complain about loud computer fans that I never would have considered to be loud. I've only encountered a couple of examples that were loud enough for me to consider them obnoxious.

 

I feel you on that point @Phoenix. For the investment I at least want to feel like i have more power. Although the 6700k is a great CPU i need more threads with at least 4.0ghz running on them.

 

Heaven with 100 MHz OC







Max clock 1946 MHz
There is some powerthrottling going on...

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yeah if I'm gonna shell out another 3K for a barebone P870DM3, I know that the GPUs are much better. but in my day to day use other than benchmarks, I won't feel my system any faster as everything else is the same in terms of RAM and CPU and storage. I am not feeling the 3K USD price man. I want an upgrade to WOW me not just be better in one aspect.

 

Now if there is a way to get a 1080 in a Eurocom Panther 5..and have it work properly ..that would be nirvana for me. LOL

 

That is how i feel as well...

 

Hopefully @Prema can figure out how to control the throttling. Impressive scores though nonetheless....

 

Adjusting the boost like that is not really throttling, it's not that until it drops below the base clock.

 

Tomb raider maxed out 4k with smaa
Sucking 470 W from the wall



When does mobile pascal start to thermal throttle?

gpus are both reaching 85 degree. Maybe undervolting is something to look into for p870dm3?

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For maxwell it was around 92C. Not sure what its for Pascal.

 

Whicher 3 keeps above 70fps maxed out in 4k

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bsch3r,

Do you have any kind of laptop cooling stand? It benefits a lot from more air coming through the bottom. Did the laptop come with stock thermal paste or was IC Diamond or smth else pre-applied? What's your ambient?

Try minus 150Mv in Intel XTU) Add your specs to the sig.

 

No cooling stand. IC diamond on gpu and cpu. Will try -150mV

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Try to elevate the back of the laptop, it always helps) Eurocom had 90C GPU1 and 65C GPU2 on their unit on the same heaven benchmark. Smth is definitely wrong here.

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Timespy in 4k:









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Removing the wire mesh on the bottom and back vents resulted in an almost 10C drop across the board on my girlfriend's p870dm. The same mod would probably result in similar results here.

Did the same thing with my p377sm-a and got similar results. The vents on Clevo laptops in general are far too restrictive.

 

Can you please specify which wire mesh are you talking about? In P377SM-A?
(or take a photo of it.. It's simpler to see what you refer to)

 

Fire strike ultra:






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In the p870dm we removed the mesh and the silver foil circled in red below. (Don't have access to the 870dm atm to take a picture but this gives you the idea.)



In the p377sm-a I removed the bottom vents and replaced them with 3d printed ones and then removed the mesh circled in red below. It's not pretty - still need to paint them black, but temps literally dropped about 10C on both gpu's and the cpu. (The left vent is centered, just the angle of the camera makes it look off.)

 

Own a P377SM-A so I might try that mod
Still need a 3d printed ones lol

 

I would say a temp difference of 25c between the 2 gpus is also wrong.

I undervoltes the cpu now by -150mV and elevated the notebook by putting a pencil underneath.

Temps in heaven are now very good

74c on both gpus with a 100 Mhz OC



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Nice) Some ventilated stand will do even better. Do you think you can push memory clocks further? Say to 1350

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Just a suggestion on screenshots, you can use the Windows Snipping Tool or something like Gyazo. Also if you have One Drive installed, you can just hit the Print Screen button and it will save a screenshot in the pictures folder.

 

Don't remove all those! Only remove the ones marked orange:

 

Why? The wire mesh itself restricts an awful lot of airflow.

 

He would get a ....load of dust inside the system and alter (reduce) the airflow over the GPUs.
Air takes the path of least resistance...

 

I guess it depends on how and where it is being use. Foreign objects, rodents and small children might get sucked into the chassis if you take the grilles off.

On a more serious note, wire mess restricts the movement of air to about half of what it would be if there were nothing there to restrict air flow. That might not matter if careful thought went into the design and it relies upon a managed path for air to follow. Using it on top of a notebook cooler or an AC unit for cooling, anything you can move out of the way to allow for unimpeded forced air flow will be a plus.

 

That's the whole point of removing it. You just have to be more conscious of what is near your laptop and clean it slightly more often. For me personally, the trade-off over that and having significantly reduced temps is worth it. For others maybe it's not worth it.

If you keep a clean desk, there isn't much to worry about.

I would also say, changing the airflow over the gpu's doesn't matter much. All temperature generating parts are thermally bonded to the heatsink, and the heatsink radiator is now getting A LOT more airflow, keeping the gpu cooler - which will also reduce the ambient temperature inside the laptop.

Airflow inside the laptop is more important if there are passively cooled components present. In these machines, there really aren't any passive components that dissipate enough heat to be on our radar.

 

I agree with you 100% on this. If there were feet for the laptop to sit on correctly, I'd just take the entire bottom cover off and leave it off. Don't need it for anything except the rubber feet and to protect the innards when traveling.

 

Exactly how much the airflow is impeded depends up on the tightness of the mesh and the venting area.

 

But Nvidia Schrödinger is just around the corner...or is it?

 

Man just buy a P775DM3, make them use the 120Hz screen or something, and call it a day xD

 

I thought it got killed!

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Congrats on the arrival @bsch3r , legacy FireStrike run for us at stock clocks and +100?

Also any result of cpu throttling during the loop benchmark like we saw in the original P870dm bios?

 

I can confirm that g-sync flicker on the 4k panel in lower framerate scenarios is gone. Another good news regarding this machine.

Right now I would say its biggest downside is the noise the 12v fans are generating. The Phoenix 1 is even at maxed out fanspeed not as loud as the Phoenix 2 when idling at the desktop with silent fan profile. These 12v fans are even noisy when rotating at 1000rpm.

I would say it was a bad idea to use 12v fans. I am looking forward to what the reviewers will have to say about this...

I guess I will start looking out for some other radial fans that might fit.

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So here's a question (hypothetical because there is NO way I can afford to shell out ANOTHER 5K on a laptop), What's to say that when Volta comes out that Clevo wont just do this again and screw us all over with upgrading from Pascal - Volta etc etc.

Finally is there anywhere that we can buy say a P870DMG3 without Most of the components, so we can just add in most of our old ones like CPU, M2, Hard Drives etc etc.

 

Here you go my friend:
100 OC:


Stock is faster:



Interesting: temps are much lower on the graphics cards when using FHD resolution in comparidon to 4k.

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Not surprising as 4k is more pixels to push hence GPUs are stressed more!

 

You can strip the configurations down pretty far, some places do offer complete barebones too.

 

and those places would be.....???? (I'm looking to see what it would cost me to get a real barebones one then eventually (when i can afford it) upgrade it to a pascal etc, even though i fully expect the same thing to happen as soon as volta etc comes out!

 

Could you please give me the links? For barebone for msi or clevo P870DM-G2

 

Hmmm, I have run firestrike legacy now without changing 4k resplution to FHD and activating g-sync with v-sync off and no OC and get a higher score now:







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can't wait for mine to come in tomorrow!!!

 

I can't wait for the official reviews, especially about display and temperature / noise.

Seeing this thread got fired up about many things, we really need a page that will include all the info we had so far, it's easy to get lost in the ever growing thread XD

BTW, I can't believe how many joined us in this, even though the first P870 was very big, this seems even bigger.

Romanian reseller has some interesting offers, but I'll have to have a serious conversation on what he can get me.

@Prema , I might had missed it, but do you have a BIOS and vBIOS for P77X series with Pascal planned too? So far, only a few places sell P870 with single 1080, and I might get a P77X for having a single GPU.

 

I know, it's exciting, I can't wait for mine.

 

A little vbios work and 20k will be stock that's nuts! Have u logged the power limits I suspect they are killing it as usual nvidia poo.

Thanks brother I am on the edge of pressing that button, need a beverage to calm myself......no wait if I get relaxed I will purchase one for sure.

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Also I can confirm the vapor chamber on the DM3/NP9873 is the only vapor chamber in thewhole line up of systems.

 

Yeah that's NVIDIA for you. Let people think they can now overclock while it's actually ending up slower than without.

I bet most people won't even notice that they are fooled and think that they are the King of Kings of OCing...

I wish the CPU section would have gotten the same treatment.

 

The vapor chamber might be the reason I am seeing very similar temps on both cards this time around.

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