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So which panel is in the Clevo, and is it also the same response as the panel tested in that review?

Has there been a review with the Clevo 120hz panel yet with display response measurements?

Do you have measurements that you can publish if not?

 

If its the AUO B173HAN01.2, as the 01.0 60hz it's rated at 25ms here:

http://www.panelook.com/B173HAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_26291.html

It looks like @HTWingNut dug into this already:

"HWInfo64 indicates that it is an AUO B173HAN01.2. Panelook has details for the B173HAN01.0 which shows it as a 60Hz panel, but I can only imagine that the 1.2 version is the 120Hz version of this same panel, and Nvidia Control Panel definitely lets you set this LCD to 120Hz and is running at that from the start. You can find details for the 1.0 version at Panelook here: http://www.panelook.com/B173HAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_26291.html"

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np9873-clevo-p870dm3-quick-review-by-htwingnut.795187/

So far no hits on the AUO B173HAN01.2 for detailed info...

 

Indeed. However, some people can't seem to understand the logic and act all surprised like really? SMH

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Thats B173HAN0 1.0 , the 120Hz is the B173HAN 01.2

2 very different panels.

EDIT - Yup.

 

I did see this, but trusting M$ is bleh...that gun shy feeling...

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Ugh, now I'm very sad I hope it's less than a couple months... So ready for my new laptop.

Definitely the 120hz TN 5 ms. This laptop is all about gaming to me so I want faster refresh and response time buttery smoothness.

Exactly!

I wish he could say for sure, but it sounds like it. I hope we don't have to wait until the holidays...

 

That's great news. Let's hope that they hold to it. Thanks ..

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Yeah. If no one on the web tells you that You can find a much better choices than BGA, you are screwed!! But a lot of people defending soldered hardware all time and potential buyers of new machines don't understand what they should buy!! We need to educate people much more than today!! Lower sales of TURDBOOKS will hurt the shareholders wallets!! They give a damn in what you should buy. They only want your hard earned money Help your friends, brother, sister, uncle and aunt. Help them so they don't go into the trap... Do your duty and the world will be a better place for all!!!

 

"Temperatures are definitely a concern considering the CPU hit 100C during benchmarking and GPU's were in the mid to high 80C range. This could be the result of a poor factory thermal paste job, and I will investigate that to find out for certain. Otherwise for pure gaming performance, the Sager NP9873 takes the crown."

That's taken from the P870DM3 overview. I hope it is a result of poor factory TIM or I'm going to be gaming exclusively outside in the snow when winter hits Connecticut.

 

It has IC Diamond applied.

 

Well incase anyone was wondering...The G752VS 1070 is pretty much exactly the same as the notebook desktop counter part....

 

Being gun shy is appropriate. Words to the wise... never become desperate enough to trust the untrustworthy. Micro$loth's behaviors have show us they are not worthy to be trusted, and I would have to question the intelligence of anyone that gives them any benefit of doubt.

 

games won't be able to stress the system as much as a benchmark, so temps shouldn't be a problem

 

At least you can wait, my laptop (Asus G75VW) had a breakdown, first the bios die, then I replaced it and four days later the GPU die too (weird artifacts on screen), that happened two months ago, now I'm using my brother's laptop, a P870DM1 that I bought him on December, so wait longer than two months It's not an option because I really need it for my job.

 

One of my brothers is waiting for me to make my decision and he will get almost the same exact build. He's a console convert though, so he's not going to know what to do with all that powah....outside of playing COD in 4k.

 

Just recommend him some MSI/ASUS machine.

 

Which is exactly why I was thinking out loud with even considering the D3. I don't trust M$ and the only way to secure a guaranteed platform (with ease of upgradablity is to secure one now before cannonlake?

I was just thinking proactively.

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Yes, I think that is logical and intelligent and I agree with your decision.

I just did not see the need to buy a DM3 with 1080 SLI and sell one of the GPUs in order to accomplish that. To wit, you could buy a DM* with one 1080, 1070, 1060 or barebones with no GPU.

Some of us actually love our siblings. I would not wish a BGA turdbook on my enemies.

 

But is it possible for single 1080 users to get the large plate cooler? It could disperse the heat faster, even if used for a single 1080.

 

Let me know when you are ready to unveil!!!

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Yes a D2 would suffice, but it is the D3 and SLI configuration that I was going after.

See the curve ball here is the uncertainty with M$ and their direction, especially when I don't have any trust in them. This would leave us W7/W8'ers with limited choices that would be closing in fast after Kaby Lake refreshes...so although we may have a year or so of cushion, my OCD panic was just kicking in to think out loud about securing a D3 now before it's too late. Again, I know we have time left...but just thinking ahead.

With the power house that the newer Pascal dtr machines are, unless my programs that I use magically up their requirements on hardware (very highly unlikely) for it to function, I don't foresee the need to refresh in a year with a 6700K -> Optional Kaby Lake and the 1080(s).

 

I love my brother (as I do all my siblings), but this is the same guy that would argue that a console controller was the same or better than a keyboard/mouse combo. No rationale. He might have been dropped as a child though.

 

Lmao!!! Nonetheless, if you want to convert him, start slow and give him a Hell of a machine! All the more reason you should look out for him (even though I use controllers too)!!!

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nothing wrong going with MSI/ASUS if your brother is only going to be playing cod/bf at 60 fps.

 

In a FPS game, keyboard/mouse would destroy a controller player. In a legitimate match up with real experienced players, keyboard/mouse would win every time. On the other hand with racing games etc...controllers with a joy stick could have the advantage, however, we (PC) have controllers too

 

If you're looking for the last latest and greatest, just before Skylake, it's Broadwell, not Haswell

 

If you're referring to the Pascal machines, there's no way one should pay dtr prices for a bga machine. I'd get him a bare bone dtr and add minimal goodies that'll run his games. When he realizes the kind gesture you've done for him, he'll thank you later when he wants to upgrade his chip or if a gasket blows...

 

True , i just hope this is my anger talking.

 

I highly doubt you are going to use a controller with an RTS or MOBA, or worse a FPS. I use an Xbox One controller for emulators.

 

Like I have said the 1080 is going to boost up in until that mid 80s point is reached so it will always get there. The question is the core clock when it gets there.

 

we covered what seems to be the case in the States - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-147#post-10316466

It would be interesting to see what is happening in Europe as well as in Australia/New Zealand

 

We will have to wait for reviews to see exactly what the complete response picture is.

 

Thank you

1. "P870DM3
   - FHD 120Hz = AUO B173HAN01.2 (AHVA)
   - QFHD 4K screen = AUO B173ZAN01.0 (AHVA) "

We can't find any details on the panel response time, to see if it is low enough to support 120hz refresh.

The LG panel in the review posted was measured as slower than needed to support 120hz, and isn't measuring out as 5ms.

Do you have any details on the panel? A link?

Thanks again!

 

Response time is not a single figure, it needs a 3 dimensional graph to properly represent.

 

What u saying? It wont support 120hz because of the 25+ms? How come the apply the 5ms? Is it just false markedting?

 

Typo, forgot to add the 2? j/k...

Only time will tell...

 

We don't know about the AUO, yet

The AUO is what is advertised as used as the 120hz 5ms non-G-sync monitor in the Clevo, we don't have measured numbers for that panel.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-260#post-10322091

Look back a page to find the notebookcheck article on the LG monitor, it's (disputed) measure of 34.4ms / 25.2ms are in conflict with the 5ms advertised, and the 8ms needed to support 120hz.

The LG display is what was measured in the review article below on the MSI laptop. It's the only one we have seen with real world measurements.

MSI GT72VR 6RE-015US Notebook Review
Allen Ngo, 08/16/2016
http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT72VR-6RE-015US-Notebook-Review.171103.0.html

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-257#post-10322005

 

As i also stated those figures are wrong too.

 

Sorry. If you find the last @mythlogic post on this thread there may be more, but I don't recall. Perhaps a reseller can respond.

 

Hence the (disputed) wording

"Look back a page to find the notebookcheck article on the LG monitor, it's (disputed) measure of 34.4ms / 25.2ms are in conflict with the 5ms advertised, and the 8ms needed to support 120hz."

Response Time Grey 50% / Grey 80% 34.4ms
Response Time Black / White 25.2ms

To me those numbers don't seem extensible from the data they gave, but I'll go with your estimations.

If those are the fastest/best points in the measurement, what's the average and worst case.

If the 5ms is defensible as best case under Black to White, then everywhere else it's no where near fast enough to full support 120hz.

(Again, these measurements and @Meaker@Sager 's interpretation are for the LG panel, not the AUO panel used in the Clevo/Sager)

When are you getting a Clevo/Sager outfitted with the 120hz screen in house?

Can you please measure the response time to see if it is fast enough across all measurements for 120hz?

 

Actually i was waiting to see about an Owners lounge, but Groceries hasn't got back to me yet.

 

Been awhile since I've seen him on the boards (I'm mainly in Clevo corner and don't wander too much)... But cool!

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If the new monsterbook can't handle stress tests/benchmarks in same way as its predecessor fully overclocked. I will never ever buy it!! What's the point with a DTR..., If it can't handle Max power usage duo too <possible> weak cooling? We need more temperature numbers from benchmarks. A lot of benchmarks from Maximum overclocked hardware If the cooling in the new machine can't handle the temperatures, then must Clevo redesign the whole cooling immediately.

 

Yeah, I don't want to keep hitting this thread with asus stuff....

 

I'll run the same benchmarks tomorrow to see if it is as high as the other guys

 

Well, when you are fully done running and get your max benches, drop them in the Clevo overclocking lounge!

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This is something you can start yourself. No need for a moderator to do it. Any moderator should be able to sticky it for your once it is posted.

 

I think that is the perfect response to what @Meaker@Sager said because it really is a personal decision and your response emphasizes that fact nicely. After having 1080 G-Sync, 4K G-Sync and now 1080 G-Sync again, I have never identified any real benefit from having it. At best, I have found its presence to be an inconvenience because it's just one more silly thing I have to turn off to not be bothered by it. It's a similar thing with 4K. Asking for other people to tell you what your decision should be will potentially just add confusion and make the decision more difficult. Anyone that doesn't know should either arrange for a free test drive or just flip a coin. It could go either way. If you listen to the wrong side and get something new that you discover too late that you hate that won't be good. One thing remains consistent, however... you can't miss anything you've never had before. If pulling the trigger and making the decision is that tough, erring on the side of caution might be best. The one thing G-Sync does have going for it is that you can turn it off if you don't like it. With 4K you're totally screwed if you don't like it... can't fix it without spending money to buy different parts.

 

Hey everyone, long time reader, I finally created an account .

I currently have a p870dm (Schenker), and just purchased a p870dm3 (barebones). My goal is to load the cpu (6700K), ram, and ssd's in the p870dm3. One question I had was LCD. I purchased the base 1080p 120Hz LCD (non-gsync). My Schenker (u726) p870dm has the 4K (non-gsync) screen. Can I swap this screen with my P870dm3? That was my plan if so.

I am familiar with building PC's and swapping laptop components, but I have never swapped an LCD. If anyone has a video on replacement of the P870dm LCD, I would appreciate. I searched, but only found videos for other Sager/Clevo models. I assume this one will be similar, but it is different enough to make me nervous.

After the swap, I plan to sell off the desktop 980 I have on my p870dm (probably ebay unless I find some interested locally or here), and then sell the p870dm barebones chassis (I will have the 1080p LCD in there).

I am not sure what that is worth, but I figure I would ask advice on that front.

I can't wait to get the p870dm3, 1080p sli was too good to pass up.

I appreciate any feedback. This forum has been a wealth of info for my first extreme laptop (p870dm). Looking forward to being a bit more social with my second

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Hello. Welcome. Glad you joined us.

If you plan to do it the harder way, see the link below.

[HARDWARE MOD] Upgrade the Phoenix (Clevo P870DM-G) from FHD to 4K (PICTURE GUIDE)

You've got it really easy. You don't even have to open the lid assembly. Just unbolt the hinges and swap the entire shebang. The 1080p and 4K panels take different eDP cables, but if you swap the assemblies you won't need to deal with that.

Here is a two-part video I made for Eurocom showing that.