*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

hey bro, can you upload the drivers disc that you got with your P870DM3 so I can add some missing drivers to the P870DM3 drivers mirror thread? The Clevo servers suck and I'm not able to download any

I hope you can upload the ISO to Google Drive or something

 

Clevo P870DM2/3 Drivers Mirror

 

So have I missed any more reviews, I feel like we need quick notes for about every 5 pages. lol

Do we have a thermal worry or not with the 870dm3? I suspect the 870dm2 single 1080 testing should be up this weekend?

@Phoenix when is yours expected to arrive?

 

You have been way out of the loop bro, I canceled my order as the FHD screen has no GSYNC

 

Yes

 

Please use the search function:

How to install Windows 7 on Samsung 950 PRO

The drivers are not all the same, it's best to wait for Sager to post them as they usually have the Win 7 specific drivers whereas Clevo doesn't.

Also, if you have an NVMe SSD, say goodbye to performance in Windows 7 as NVMe SSDs suck big time in Windows 7

 

OK So I just bought the NP9872-S. Going through this thread makes my head hurt. I barely understand the whole Prema bios thing. I understand it's good for increasing performance right? I ordered straight from Sager so will I be able to install this bios? Is it difficult to do? I know there is probably another thread on it but i'm curious if it applies to this model specifically?

Anyone care to give a summary of what I should expect and change when the unit arrives?

Thanks much!

 

If sager is a partner then you will be able to install, if not.Then you probably won't. Ask @Meaker@Sager He could give you a better answer.

 

Currently Sager isn't a Prema partner. I had a "Sager" Phoenix 1 for a couple weeks and sold it because it was to limited and I couldn't obtain @Prema bios. When I'm able to obtain a new laptop I will order from HIDEvolution or Larry at LPC if he becomes a prema partner. Larry had treated me right on the last two Clevo products I obtained that was purchased from his company.

 

They are not a partner currently. Yes the bios and ec from Prema can be flashed, but you will not have access to that bios and ec, making it a moot point.

A guy tried to steal Prema's work, call it his own, and release it publicly. Prema was going to give a limited exclusivity, then release his work publicly. Because of his actions, Prema has made the decision, and I support the decision, to postpone all public releases of his work. Because of this, by not purchasing from a Prema partner shop, you may never gain access to the Prema bios. This also has added value to all Prema partner shops as they are now the only way to guarantee access to the better firmware. As such, it is asked that you respect him and his decision in this matter, do not harass or hound him, and plan accordingly when purchasing your device.

For a list of Prema partner shops, please visit:
https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

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Search on YouTube for Prema BIOS walk through to see all the customizations it gives you. With the stock BIOS performance is crippled due to the low power limits the system draws by default and lack of overclocking features, heck you cannot even enable the Intel Speed shift technology. I wish you bought it from a Prema partner as I cannot support you further on this.

 

I for one hope @Prema never releases his BIOS to the public as it will be misused again no doubt

 

installed windows 10 and still get this message from the dvd

 

Well, what I hope and what I support and respect are not always the same. I do hope for a public release on older machines no longer sold that cannot be abused as easily by a person like what occurred. The reason is, after it is no longer sold or toward the end of all support, the people who could not afford to get the machine at the time of release from a partner, an owner trying to extend the life of their purchase, etc. Can gain a benefit. These are often lower income individuals, etc. Meanwhile, guaranteeing no abuse by end users and securing value to partners comes first, as what he is doing already helps the public. But after it is old enough (which may be measured in years rather than months), I hope for releases. Either way, I respect and support Prema's decision regardless of any other considerations and promote those that recognize the value of his work, have partnered with him due to this, and those that are willing to support his partners as patrons.

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if anyone is buying this system, I recommend you get windows/drivers installed by the reseller, I've already wasted 16+ hours trying to find drivers.

 

BTW, ANYONE WHO HAS EVER USED OR INTENDS TO USE PREMA'S WORK, PLEASE DONATE DIRECTLY TO PREMA AT PREMAMOD.COM AS A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR HIS WORK!

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Well I cancelled my order with Sager at the suggestion of forum users here. Also at the suggestion of forum users I contacted HID to order the same machine. The specs were identical except HID installs the Prema BIOS. Through HID it is $300 more expensive for the identical machine with the exception of the Prema bios. I called and talked to a manager to which I got the reply "That's just the way it is".

How on earth they can justify a $300 price increase for a bios update is beyond me. Anyone else have any suggestions of other companies that sell this machine with Prema bios?

 

Europe -> Dreammachines
What about Eurocom?

 

Did you mention that you are an active member here on NBR? Usually we get a discount on notebooks.

 

I have the list of partner shops. Mythlogic usually opts for a custom Prema bios that is unlocked, but not fully unlocked. Avell in Brazil focuses on smaller machines, or so it seemed when I looked months ago. The US reseller may be different. If purchasing from Eurocom, try to negotiate with them as the exchange rate will kill you, but they are a great reseller.

Now, the value of that bios depends on the user and the estimated time of ownership of the device. I know I get, easily, at least $200 worth of performance from the bios alone, with my estimated ownership of 3+ years on average and my other mods building on what I can do with his bios. To someone that doesn't overclock or tune, it still has over $100 in value in performance without tuning with much of the rest tied up in potential resale value, although the purchaser would need to also understand the value. I do not know the specifics of the contract between the partner shops and Prema, but do know he receives value from them for his work. So this is a question of the value to you of tuning. Because the value of having it is more than half of the difference from the resellers, I would purchase from the partner shops at the $300 premium. But, I also purchase barebones and provide the cpu and ram, thereby cutting the premium a bit (although the 6700k is about $330-350 retail and only $275 is reduced to purchase without this cpu from a partner shop, so unless buying a binned cpu from silicon lottery or a trusted individual at hwbot.org, Deba8er (think I misspelled that but we know who I'm referring to) or other European binners, accepting the cpu may be the best value) and buying only ram and storage drives aftermarket would be the best value. This will recoup part of the premium of the machine. So, is it worth it to you is the final question?

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These in hand yet? I've heard from a GT73 owner, that the 120Hz screen seems like a TN panel, with not so good viewing angles.

 

You have to understand that they are offering a BIOS which may cause the system to operate at non manufacturer specs and thus the manufacturers such as Intel will not cover the warranty if the CPU goes bad for example due to wrong voltage or overclocking settings and thus, the reseller is covering the warranty and taking a risk here. That's a small amount to pay to have a warranty with the Prema BIOS.

Also see this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hidevolution-the-best-company-i-ever-dealt-with.787085/

 

Thank you, I forgot that the partner shops are also pricing in warranty, something not in my above price comparison because I delid the cpu and have no warranty on that component (my mods sometimes void other parts of the warranty). But that warranty makes up the rest of the value easily...

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Addeded warranty coverage for out of spec manufacturer specifications and the cost they pay to Prema for his work and support. $300 is a small price to pay on at $3500+ computer to get maximum potential while being covered by a warranty still. If you someone eventually get a @Prema bios to install at a later date on a Sager or other non sanctioned machine youll void your warranty installing the bios.

 

That brings me to my second point, Sager offers a two year warranty vs. HID's one year warranty. So I pay $300 more for a bios upgrade and half the warranty?

I'm all for companies charging what they can get but a bios and half the warranty is not worth any type of premium to me...

 

Agreed on that one! 300 bucks is a "small fee" + extended coverage for a fully unlocked power rig! I would pay it without hesitation....

 

Read my previous post, HID only offers a one year warranty whereas Sager offers a 2 year warranty. Why would I pay more for a bios and half the warranty?

 

with xoticpc u can upgrade to 3year. I dont have any previous experience with them. But i think their customer service sucks.

 

HIDE also covers the BIOS under under their warranty.

And here is a big misconception, @Prema does not get paid for his work.

Its not just a BIOS, if you will be using your system at stock, sure, you are better off with the additional warranty. But if you want complete control and be able to fully tweak it, you need Prema's BIOS. That also fixes some inherent limitation and flaws.
Its not just a BIOS.

 

HID told me one of the reasons for the BIOS cost is they do pay him.

 

I haven't seen them or heard them charging for the BIOS? Do you know who you talked to about it at HIDE?

 

Ted, I'm sure he's monitoring this and I don't want to copy his emails to the public but I will say he did say they pay Prema...

 

No need to post emails. I would wait for @Prema to follow up.

Even on their website, nowhere do they charge extra for the BIOS, im sure its just a small confusion.

 

I look forward to his response and have emailed him to participate as well. However in his email he clearly justified the price increase due to having to pay prema. I don't think you could mistype that nugget of info....

 

Regardless of whether they say they charge, the cost can be added to the base value of the machine. Because of that, it can be lost in the reseller markup. Either way, his bios adds value to the machine and they are the reseller donating his base unit...

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That's your choice, choose what's best for you. I personally like to pay more and get all the bells and whistles, to each his own

 

Sorry man work has me crippled. I understand I am awaiting the same line of changes or releases.

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Sounds good. Im looking forward to a clarification, because this has been brought up again and again and every time there is a different answer.

Very True.

 

At the end of the day I need to buy a laptop. My budget is $2,800+/-
I need a desktop processor and GTX1080, what would you guys get on my budget?

 

It will be pretty cheap config. 1080 without 4K Screen isn't good idea... GTX 1070 will generate same FPS on 1080P resolution due to G-Sync and 4K configuration will be much more expensive.

 

4k Doesnt interest me, ideally I would love 1440 g-sync and 120Hz

 

That depends. Do you plan to go sli in the future? A DM2 with the T heatsink will cool the single 1080 very well, better than the P775DM3 most likely. It also allows updating to sli if you can source the grid heatsink and the card. This may run a little more than your budget, but not by much, from a Prema partner. As I said, the cpu will likely be fine without being binned and is better value with the machine. The ram is cheaper and better on the open market, as is storage, so I would leave those out of the build. That should be the best for what you are looking for and budget...

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What is the DM2? And no I dont plan on SLI.

 

That is the model with the single 1080 and the T-Heat Sink.

 

The P870DM2 is the same as the DM3, except you can get a single 1080 instead of the 1080SLI. Another good machine is the P775DM3 if you want a 17" with desktop cpu and 1080. We do not have accurate temp data on the redesigned unified heat sink in this model, but they seem to have fans similar, if not the same as, the 870 series and better heat pipe designs compared to the older 700dm series...

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In a way seconded. After all the countless hours testing and tweaking, Prema should be rewarded (or paid) for his work. Giving it away for free shows the generosity in @Prema's heart. However, I for one fully support an exchange of something (assumption is from Prema Partners) for his work.

 

Do we have confirmation of that? My understanding is the P870DM2 has the same sort of cooling configuration as the original P870DM (separate sinks / fans), and *only* the P870DM3 has the T-type, vapor chamber heat-sink.

The P775DM2/P775DM3 is the 'lil sister. She has a little bit less on on the mobo (single GB network, 1 less USB, etc.) for I/O.

 

The original 870DM had the T heatsink for the 980, which the 1080 is the successor and Prema has mentioned a T shape heatsink for it.

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While I would strongly encourage you to consider finding a reseller that supports the Prema made BIOSs ( https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/), it remains to be seen what is locked with this new model.

If you have the stomach (and few here do) to use intel XTU, the newer models do support "Intel® XTU over-clocking technology", whatever that may mean. I've seen it suggested that XTU may give a bit more control on these DM2/DM3 models that support this feature. Again, that would mean you want to infect install your machine with XTU.

 

The T-Shape and the Grid (vapor chamber) are 2 different heat sinks.