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Has anyone noticed Clevo's website lately. They removed the P870DM2/DM3 and only the G-Sync models remain. I hope that means we are closer to the new panels being used.

 

Nah, that's probably just brother Kyle panicking and pressing the wrong button...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10113512

 

Awesome! Just checked. I've been e-mailing resellers about the rumored 4K 120Hz G-Sync panel. I've been getting rumblings from each, but one reseller has given me a bit more definitive of an answer: Metabox (Australian reseller). They gave me a (supposed) makeshift time-frame when the panel might be available. Maybe it just so happens that everything is finally lining up! Here's the transcript:



I received this response on the 19th of August, so it could actually be sooner than the 26th of September give or take a a few days from the date of the response. Time will tell. Can't wait!

 

That's referring to the G-Sync certified 120hz 1080P panels. There has not even been a 4K 120hz panel spotted in the wild.

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My initial question to them and all other resellers was regarding the 4K G-sync 120Hz panel though it's not included in this e-mail clipping. I always make sure my point is clear when I type messages so that there are no misunderstandings of my intent (just so they don't misunderstand and think I'm talking about the 1080p FHD panel). Though what you say is likely true atm (though the computex thread on techinferno does confirm a 3K 120Hz panel is coming at some point if you follow the posts and a 4K potentially by Q4 https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/9968-clevocomputex-2016/&page=1). To name one other such reseller, I've sent messages to HIDevolution and have gotten similar responses after giving hardware specifics which panel I was interested in.

 

Had to go with 2 X 512GB 961s.. Excited for UPS to show up.

 

wrong thread..

 

Where did you order from; Ramcity?

 

Well I wouldn't hold your breath for now. I'm sure when they appear it will be known as other manufacturers like MSI etc will also want to use the panel.

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7:09 am On FedEx vehicle for delivery

 

So update:

After a long night of troubleshooting, I come to find out the problem was one of two things (still can't say for certain):

1.) GPU Master and Slave needed to be swapped (it doesn't make sense as both cards work).

2.) RAM issues.

The GPU scenario is odd, I had to remove and plug in the gpus many times during my troubleshooting. So they were repeated correctly. However, I had my first shot of luck (video) when I swapped the master in the slave slot and vice versa.

Another problem of note was the RAM. I first had 4 sticks of 2133 DDR4 in there. My first boots with video I had one stick (8GB).

Once I started seeing video I started adding more sticks back. I found I can only run two sticks and boot (16GB). Additionally, the sticks need to be in slots #1 and #4. I can't have them in 1 and 2. Is that normal? I wasn't sure how the channels work on this model. I did not see any discussion in the manual. Note all 4 sticks are good. I can use any combo of the 4 in slots 1 and 4.

I did clear the CMOS and that did not help (pulled battery).

So right now I am operating on the assumption that something about the slower ddr4 2133 and 3 or 4 slots populated doesn't work on the dm3 or on my particular model (at least). I wonder if I should order some 2400 or 3000 sticks.

Suggestions?

Thanks for all the help everyone. I wouldn't have had the ideas to get this going.

Man I tore that laptop down so many times over the last 2 days. I think I know the location of every screw by heart...

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thats a good thing! u SHOULD know such a beast of a machine by heart inside and out check and see if there is anything visually suspect about the ram slots. maybe use some pressured air to make sure theres nothing stuck on one of the contacts. if the problem still persists it MIGHT be something more serious.

to to be sure, also check all the stick individually with memtest86+ overnight, so u can rule out 100℅ that its not the sticks

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Ok, here go some more runs. Will need to play with this some more when I get time.
Firestrike Ultra
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9930997

Firestrike
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9930952

Time Spy
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/345041

 

Good idea. Any idea if their are channels for ram for this model? I.e. is their a physical reason slot 1 and 4 operate together? Is that a channel pair? I know desktops like to have ram added in pairs and on certain channels. I can't find info about the motherboard in the p870dm3 related to this.

The alternative is ass you said bad ram, or maybe bad slots. Or I guess some incompatibility with the slower DDR4 I have...

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There's an intro article on the Eurocom X9E2 on Anandtech ... the comments are hysterical. What a collection of closed minds (and worse) who can't, for the life of them, understand why anyone would want something like this. I did see a couple of NBR folks try to educate them but as they say - you can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink.

 

I dont even try any more tbh. its these type of people who have lead the DTR industry into almost extinction.

 

I think I'm going to get a P775 with 4K display and 1080 GPU. The reason is that I can pick either P775 thingy from Romanian reseller or a P870 from HID, but I have to pay a lot more for pretty much the same config, and to be honest, I love HIDevolution by now, but I am in Romania, I won't be able to RMA anything outside of here, without a really expensive shipment fee, and Romanian postage is out of question, they are really bad. So if I ever need warranty, it's 600$ for shipping it back, and while I really love HID, I am a bit afraid of postage right now.

Anyone who has tested both P870 and P775 can tell me if there are differences in performance? I don't want to miss out on this little beast of a laptop, and am still considering getting it from HID either way, since I like their check for clouding and check for dead pixel service a lot, but that shipping problem can be really tough in Romania.

BTW, after checking with all resellers that send to Romania, I can say that everyone is great and everyone has a great point in what they do! I warmly recommend every reseller out there, from every place! Living in Romania limits my options a lot, and the only other reseller I am considering besides the Romanian one is HID, because Romanian resller only has P870 with dual GTX 1080, and it's out of what I can use

 

pick HID international warranty, they pay shipping

 

Yep!

They are great guys!

I'll have to see what are the differences between a P870 and a P775 for what it's worth.

I sure am looking forward to this purchase, with both excitement and anxiety and I'm grateful for such great resellers on Clevo's side of things!

 

Finally got mine. So far, a straight drive swap from my P870DM seems to be working fine, with only the GPUs and touchpad needing new drivers. Still can't see any trace of the alleged ESS Sabre DAC.

CPU cooling definitely seems adequate, at least with a delidded CPU and CLU. I have yet to see temps over 77 with FS (combined test, non-max fans), TSBench, etc.

GPUs run pretty hot. Even with max fans on, the master GPU touched 90C at a few points on Heaven at 4K with extreme tesselation. Not sure if it was just a fluke or something, but it went back down to ~82C very soon after. The slave GPU was sitting around 80-85C the entire time.

Speaking of max fans, those things are pretty loud. It's not any more high-pitched than the P870DM max fans, but they're definitely a notch up on the decibel scale. That said, they also seem to push a fair bit more air, so I'm okay with that.

~39.5k GPU in FS 1080, ~42k with max fans, but from what I've seen this can easily be explained by variance in Nvidia's throttling scheme, especially since the GPUs didn't go over 82C.

 

When gpu hits 90 c, one of the gpus throttles 400-500mhz until temps reach mid 80s. the 2nd gpu doesnt throttle at all

 

That would explain why it dropped down, but right before it jumped up to 92C it was around 82. It shot up over the course of about 2 seconds. Maybe the VBIOS decided it had some upclocking thermal headroom.

 

I have seen the same behavior on my unit.

I think high gpu temps up to 90c is normal fir the DM3, esprcially when using 4k and maxed out settings. I dont think that so many users have warped heatsinks or that there is an inherent flaw to the combined grid heatsink.

In the end its 2 1080s. These systems get hot and loud.

Undervolting may be the way to go for people that want to stay below 80c and use the fans below their max rpm with automatic fan profile. Maybe @Prema can help us out here

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If you upgrade to the global warranty, then HIDEvolution would pay for shipping both ways in case of an RAM, nothing beats their warranty for international customers like me and you.

See: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hidevolutions-warranty.784735/

 

Maybe because the new Control center installs hidden XTU components which we all know that they mess up the fan tables by making them spin randomly at full blast even when idle. Check your startup items using Autoruns from Microsoft and search for XTU to see what I mean

 

Over the past week, I've spent almost every spare minute doing research on the P870DM3, P775DM3 and on Clevo, the company. I am still a bit apprehensive about the temps I've been seeing. With the waiting game of the panel I desire, my purchase decision has lessen (in terms of percentages, it was 100%, now it's more like 70%).

I will keep an eagle eye on this forum and I will still check every article/review I can find about both machines. Hopefully, my patience is rewarded with an amazing monster.

 

What are the temps on single GPU and 1080p?

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I could not have defined my own situation any better than with your words. 100% same thought process and behaviour, actually a bit scary.

 

I am still looking for those myself. It's kinda strange there are no reviews or even previews of the P870DM2 for a single 1080 card.

EDIT: It is understandable that the DM3 is getting all of the attention though, but I have a feeling the best seller is going to be the DM2 for Clevo.

hahaha, great minds think alike. I do wish we had the choice of a 1440p 120hz panel, especially on the DM3 and its 1080 SLI. Considering that a few BGA laptop makers are offering that resolution, I find it hard to believe Clevo couldn't source a panel with it.

The money I set aside for this monster might be used if I do have to wait up to two additional months for the panel. Football season is coming and I want some new GB jerseys plus a set of snow tires and new aftermarket foglights for my Mazda. @Donald@HIDevolution Let's hope those panels come soon bro.

 

Noise is an important issue for me. Is there an easy way to have the fans run very quiet when not gaming and ramp up when gaming? Control Centre or a good software?

My DM3 is finally due to be delivered Tuesday. The issue ended up not being a faulty 1080 (replacing it didn't fix the issue), but actually the graphics card slot on the motherboard. They supplied a new chassis and tested it. They only branded cases left which I accepted because I didn't want to wait. They did discount my order a further £120 as a gesture which I appreciated. All things considered, XMG have offered a good service.

Thanks

 

Can someone who has the unit check to see what's connected at Port 7 on the USB root hub using HWInfo? Mine shows up as an unknown device with vendor ID 06CB and product ID 0078. The VID is Synaptics, but I can't find the product anywhere. Both the touchpad and fingerprint reader show up under Device Manager, so I don't think it's either of those, but I'm at a loss as to what else Synaptics makes.

 

there's no way around it, if you're playing games or benchmarking the fans will inevitably ramp up. Even in idle the fan noise is still noticeable.

 

I wonder if both of ya'lls issues are related, i.e. faulty motherboards from Clevo.

I just had mine replaced this week on the original 870DM, but I assume they're all from the same factory.

Quality Controls might need a tune up in there.

 

Uninstall all your Synaptics software/drivers, since its all from the old 870DM, then reinstall the new Synaptics drivers.
The new SecurePad probably needs the newer driver

Personally, I would have re-imaged the machine.

 

I'm cancelling mine too. Shame that they didn't better clarify or simply wait until certification was completed. Back to the waiting game for us then.

 

If true this is nice news... I was expecting a longer wait.

Obviously please report what you can confirm.

 

@Bill56

I noticed your signature. How did you get a 1080p 120hz G-Sync panel on your DM3? From HIDevolution, no less. Are you playing with my emotions? lol.

 

There is no way at all to reduce fan noise when idle or under low load?

 

You will have to wait for Prema's Bios to undervolt. Outside of that, you can try a cooling pad.

 

Repaste if temp is too high. Download and learn to use Throttlestop (4 profiles). Create a profile with a lower cpu clock speed (for low load). Switching between all 4 profiles is just a click while you work
Read also http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...iew-by-htwingnut.795187/page-13#post-10327306

 

idk, that's what the acpkaging says on the box they gave me.

you can reduce it manually though the OC tool, but even 20% isn't quite.

 

That is totally worth keeping in mind, brother! Thank you for reminding me!

 

Due to work and time constraints, I am unable to check through all the pages and posts....

Can anyone give me the screen model for the 120Hz 1080P display? I want to swap out what I currently have as 75-100Hz is not enough for my eyes (spoiled by BenQ monitors for ages).

@Georgel You have the original as well? How did you get the 1080 to work or you have the newer ones?

I would attempt to purchase a new machine, but the Asian in me refuses to dump money and remain stingy for a long period of time...

 

Sorry to ask again, but where did you order you SM961 from?

 

I would have too, but I'm going to wait until 1TB SM961s are affordable so I can pick up a pair without having to take out a mortgage.

 

It is affordable, just pretty damn scarce....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10437/samsung-sm961-price-and-availability-outlook

 

Yeah, but the problem is that the scarcity means that they're gone in 5 minutes and the only ones left are where people feel the need to charge an arm and a leg to try to milk people desperate to stay on the cutting edge. I'll give them a couple months to ramp up production and possibly see what the 960 Pro has to offer vs. the SM961.

On another note, not terribly impressed with 50C idle temps at 70F ambient with both cards using around 8W idling at each on average. Do you think a repaste is in order here, or would you say that's expected?

 

i just grabbed one of these for the time being. It has 28 days left on return while I wait and deside if im going to grab a sammy later.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...HKhfbGG9xYDP3iCCRg_lsaAjKs8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

Temps don't bother me too much so I don't really worry about it. In your case....You could try that to see if it will net you a few C's. And Actually 50C at idle sounds high. I'll check mine in a little while


Edit:
I gotta say, I'm pretty close to my DT cards in gpu score.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9100460/fs/9937252

 

In Control Center, I sent fans to automatic and they are pretty silent. I actually did a 1hour+ witcher 3 session at that setting. CPU was in the 68-69C range w/ max at 81c (x44 multiplier). GPUs in the 80 range with one maxing at 90c which seems to be what others have experienced. Maybe if I left fans in performance the temps would go down, but with how quiet "automatic" is and with temps that don't seem too bad, I am not too worried. One interesting thing is the temps on the keyboard/top side stay really cool. It does not seem to get warm, even during gaming.

With that said my GPU's at idle are 48c give or take. Someone else mentioned similar. I am not sure if that is considered high or if that is normal. Just an observation at this point.

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AUO B173HAN01.2 I believe.

According to @Donald@HIDevolution however, since the P775DM3 cannot use that screen (but uses the screens on the original P870DM) then the P870DM cannot use the new 120Hz panel, due to a cable incompatibility.