*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

Guys, either the DM3 is a hellforge running furnace or there is something seriously wrong out there!

Did you ever bother to check, if the heatsink is making proper contact and do a repaste with at least IC Diamond or better CLU? Not to mention to check, if the thermal pads are sitting on the right spot? Temps shouldn't be that high, neither in idle or under full load.

I would consider everything above 80°C under full load (and max fans) as a failure - CPU + GPU wise. It's like a bad joke that Clevo "redesigned" the cooling system wirh Vapor chamber and stuff only to get temps above 80°C.
Maybe Pascal is the second Fermi temp wise, but Skylake hasn't changed....

 

Note that vapor chambers want a certain temperature to become efficient.

I consider a success that in games the mobile 1080 in SLI with exactly the same specs out performs the founders edition from Nvidia in terms of clocks.

Yeah they could have throttled it back (so can the user) but where is the fun in that?

The desktop chips run hot in a desktop given how hard they turbo after all.

 

yeah, I don't mind it throttling aslong as my games don't suffer fps problems.

 

I was running GTA V and my average boost clock as between 1775Mhz (temperature limited to 90C) in the heavy scenes and 1823mhz (power limited) driving around. That's in SLI and stock fans and clocks.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/30

Founders edition doing the benchmark (more like the outside scenes) and it gets less Mhz. That's crazy good IMO.

 

P870Dm actually can use the 120hz panel, it uses the same old 30 Pin EDP. And for 4k you need the 40 Pin EDP cable.

 

Unfortunately it wouldn't work like that where I'm at, because it'd be much hotter. That's why I want to see what long playtimes at max fans are going to be like. A machine designed to operate near thermal throttle, whether it be a GS60 with a 970M or this P870DM3, is just not good.

If this is the case, then the P775DM3 can use it too, and I don't know why I was told it cannot.

 

I don't have the original, sorry...

Both can use the 4K screen and that is good enough for me

Most people won't relate, but the feeling you get when you pick only colors outside of sRGB in photoshop and you're still using a limited gamut display is not a great feeling.

Are there any news about the new 120Hz panel? I'm especially curious on it's color coverage and DeltaE values xD

 

I have seen no P775 with the new 120Hz display yet.

 

@Prema says there's no hardware incompatibility for that 120hz screen and the P775DM3 model. Just an importers choice which screen the model comes with.

 

Anyone know where to get a proper high res screen shot of both sides of the motherboard ? (uncompressed or at least not jpg)

 

It's either a bull... excuse to sell the bigger model, or the vendor simply didn't know better, both cases are disappointing!

 

I wonder what made you choose that vRAM clock... Why does the label say: 'Memory bus clock<7'


BTW, where does the DDR5X max out on these mobile cards?

https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/topic/10163-PASCAL-MXM-&-P-SERIES-REFRESH

I think no reseller can be blamed here...
There is a lot of contradicting information regarding the 120Hz screens, some of which coming directly from Clevo. They themselves just received the MP versions for final testing and are still waiting for NVIDIA to settle on some nomenclature on the new high refresh g-sync tech...

P775 & P87 can use them, no worries.

 

I did update the original message, confirmed (from Eurocom support) 120hz 1080 g-sync panel ready to order with approx 8 days lead time - waiting for NV to supply FW and driver support.

 

Wait... 1080i 120hz, not 1080p 120hz?
If its interlaced... Its total piece of junk that I would avoid even of they pay'd to me... :|

 

Doh, my mistake, I just meant the 1080 res panel as opposed to the 4K.

 

from one point of view the g-synch and the 1080 resolution at 120hz would be a good news, but the 1080 interlaced makes me not very happy.. I don't know what to think about

EDIT:

read now your last post

 

That has to be a typo. No company in their right mind would release a 1080i screen in 2016.

 

Why do you think there's such great disparity on the physics scores?

 

The 5960x has 8cores and 16threads

 

I saw that, but I guess I had just assumed GPU2 in each case was performing all the physics calcs.

 

Does anyone know if there are any reviews in the works? I saw htwingnuts' breakdown, but I'm looking for an in-depth review with decibel readings and temp tests.

For reference, here are htwingnuts' videos:






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Humm, Who usually does a good job of all that is Ken from Gentechpc....

I would let that go. No way they would put out a 1080I screen no matter who made the mistake of saying it.

8 core CPU. And GPU 2 has no effect on the physics test. Only the combined test.

And to answer a question about temps....Mine sit at about 44C to 46C. Fans on auto.

Edit: With max fans it's 35C

 

Interesting, let us know if gsync works as expected.

 

Meaker is absolutely correct, they also take in to account the ambient temp and the orientation the machine is being placed for the best efficiency. Bringing vapor cooling to a laptop is really a move in the right direction.

 

Believe me, I didn't need Prema to tell me it would work. I knew the dimensions had to be the same, and the cable too. I asked them to actually check for me if it would work by putting one in and booting, since it was not an official Clevo offering (just like how we often had "out of spec" RAM from Clevo offerings). However...

This is exactly what happened here. I was told that Clevo specifically told them it would not work, due to needing some special cable or something that the P775DM3 boards were not compatible with.

However since this has been proven false, this is only good news for us users. Honestly, I see little reason to get the P870DM2 with single 1080 if the P775DM3 is going to do a similar job (with possibly better CPU cooling), cost $400 less, and SLI is never desired. The only thing I can see that people are missing from the P870DM2 is I think a single USB 3.1 port or something? It's not very much, and not worth $400 on the whole.

 

So running around in fallout 4 I noticed that my response time is averaging 12 ms in battles and about 7 ms just doing nothing but running around. This is in Diamond City.

 

I have a feeling that P870DM2 will cool better than P775DM2. Because it has separate heat sinks like original P870DM.


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The CPU heatsink is smaller in the DM2 model. The GPU cooling will be better, for certain, however I just have a feeling that the overall cooling solution (especially with a delidded -> CLU applied CPU) will be much better on the DM3. I know the original P770DM had very good CPU cooling if you had good contact, CLU or not. It surpassed the P870DM easily.

 

@D2 Ultima

Using Hidevolution I'm only seeing about a $180* difference.

 

Cool, thanks for testing. Mine only dips down to 42 on max fans so I'll see if a repaste can help there, especially since cooling capacity is directly correlated with GPU performance for Pascal.

 

No problem

 

Just checked it.
$2991 USD for P775DM3 with 1080, 6700K, CLU, 32GB 2800MHz RAM, 3 year warranty and everything else left stock.
$3251 USD for P870DM2 with 1080, 6700K, CLU, 32GB 2800MHz RAM, 3 year warranty and everything else left stock.
So $260 more expensive.

It was more earlier this week (like monday) because I was building up one for a friend on the website and I was comparing them heavily. So its price has dropped since then, but still more expensive. I suppose the price now is simply attuned to the 2 x 230W brick + converter & 120Hz LCD, but as @Georgel said, he wants the 4K panel, so that is meaningless to him. In his case a P775DM3 is just cheaper, a bit smaller/lighter, and will get all the jobs done.

If the P870DM2 could handle a single 330W brick being sold by resellers for the single 1080 version and that dropped the price, we might get somewhere.

 

The plot may have some new unexpected twists. Break out the popcorn. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/anyone-else-disappointed.795318/page-10#post-10327766

 

What was the difference in cooling between P870 and P775? I can't seem to stumble upon this info, no matter where I search.

Oh yeah, the difference is not very high if you can order directly from them and if you live in a comfortable place, like USA.

But living in Romania, I get a personal difference of 450 $ between getting P870 and P775 with exactly the same configuration, due to taxes and other problems. There is no Single GTX 1080 in Romania yet, and will probably not be, so I'm fiddling between a P870 for +450 USD and a P775 for 3575 with 32gb ram, 2tb hdd and 480 gb ssd, 4k display, 6700k and 1080 gpu.

 

I think they downgraded the the cooling system for P775DM2. It had 7 heat pipes in P775DM1 and now it has only 5.
@Prema, can you confirm this?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/pascal-mxm-gpu-upgrades.795169/page-23#post-10327730 this sounds exactly like what I said a few minutes ago.

 

The P870 is the SLI/single model. The P775 is the single model, an "upgrade" over the P770DM in that it can take the higher end GPUs. The P775DM1 could take the 180W 980. The P775DM3 can take the 1080. It has a single unified heatsink system like the P750 and P770 models did. But once contact is ok it's rather effective. The entire issue is likely contact, but the P870DM and P870DM2 heatsinks flat out have worse CPU cooling in total (due to space constraints).

 

The P870DM/P870DM2 have worse CPU cooling than the P770/P750/P775DM1/P775DM3?

 

Yes? The huge shared heatsink does quite a bit of work. The P870DM would've died if it was sold with Haswell. It works well enough because Skylake is a lot cooler. My friend with a P770DM barely cracks 70c at 4GHz with her 6700K in pretty much anything she does... with auto fans... and stock thermal paste application. That isn't happening in a P870DM, P870DM2 or P870DM3 no matter how hard you try. The people here reporting 90c in benches with auto fans is enough proof of that.

 

Well i was told the P870DM-G needed a lot of extra stuff,other than the panel and the new cable to be upgrade-able to the 4k Panel. Didn't quite turn out to be the case

 

Does anyone have any actual cooling tests from the single gpu P870DM2?

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I thought the point of P8 was to have better cooling than the P7, since, you know, it's bigger than the P7. Learn something new every day, I suppose. lol

Good to know.

 

Another question for you guys (in my ever growing quest to get the DTR to match my wants and needs). How many years of "stable" and high frames gaming, in your opinion do you think I'll get out of a single 1080 versus 1080 SLI?

With a desktop GPU, if after a year or so, I feel my fps are slipping or I have to turn down to medium graphic settings, I can get the latest and greatest card. However, with the current climate of the DTR industry, I don't think I'll be able to upgrade the GPU. In my experience, games that start truly taxing a high end card usually appear within 12 to 18 months of release of the GPU. My normal desktop upgrade cycle is two years but, the DTR I want to last me at least three years.

 

Generally the longest lasting cards are at the launch of a generation like the 680M and 980M, a 1080 is going to perform very well for some time at 1080p.

 

You are absolutely right.
Ive changed my laptop from p750dm to p870dm while using the same cpu.
P750dm did better job for cpu cooling but the problem is it does not keep the oc clock when both gpu and cpu are highly loaded.

 

I feel that the cooling comes to down to a lottery of who has the better heat sink as well.

 

Definitely. Night and Day. Clevo Copper lottery

 

Repasted using Kryonaut and now I'm at 42C idle, 35C max fans just sitting on a flat surface with 72Fish ambient. Looked like it had pretty good contact judging from the paste pattern after I removed it, so this is probably what a good heatsink looks like temp-wise.

 

8 minutes of Heaven 4K with extreme tesselation. Stopped the test when the CPU fan launched the laptop into orbit.

 

12k RPM ? LIKE WAT?