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Calling @Phoenix , bro can you update the http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm2-3-drivers-mirror.795059/ with the service manuals?

 

Can I get some help please. I was advised that by activating gpu overclock and reducing the core clock on each card I could see a big improvment in the fan noise.

May I ask:

1) Is -100mhz on core increment enough and do I need to reduce memory increment?
2) how much of a performance hit during gaming will I see in a -100mhz core reduction on each card?

Thanks!!! I am trying all options before sending back this laptop. Fingers crossed.

 

It's perfectly safe to reduce clocks, have a play and see what gives you the mix of performance/noise you are looking for.

Boost clocks are around 1800 Mhz so you are loosing 1/18th of the performance.

 

Finally taken the plunge and put my order in.

i7-6700 (I don't overclock)
4k UHD screen
1080-SLI
32GB 2400MHz RAM
2x 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD (No RAID)
Win 10 Pro
Intel Wireless 8260

It's going to take a while because I asked for an unbranded chassis and the 4k screens are in shortage worldwide. Hopefully I'll get it sooner rather than later.

 

No NVME SSDs?

 

Unless you need them for the speed and bandwidth, why buy them? You can get a decent 1TB, like the x400 (until recently) for $250, approximately. The OCZ/Toshiba drive for a 500GB drive is $310. For a 1TB drive, it is $670+. So, for standard SSD sata III 2x 1TB, you have nearly enough to buy the highest end ram (32GB kit), or you could buy a single 1TB NVMe that you may not feel any speed benefit purchasing...

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I did a bit of reading into the NVME SSD drives. I know they are much faster than the SATA III equivalents in some operations, but in others there is little difference in the artificial benchmark scores. This is besides the NVME drives running hotter than the SATA III equivalents (we are talking about a machine which is already worrying about default 80-90 celsius on the GPU and CPU alone) and that the reseller I chose so happens to have no stock for the 1TB NVME equivalent despite its slightly cheaper price.

I'm not fond of constant benchmarking of systems just to show off. Functionally speaking using dual 1TB NVME drives would have cut my load times by a matter of seconds from what is already a very quick system but at the cost of higher temperatures.

 

To maximize the e-peen meter gauge

Yeh. I am also in the same situation. I almost pulled the triger on an 1TB NVME SSD but after thinking about it with a clear mind, I dont think there are enough advantages to get it over the SATA ones and save few bucks. But I might still do it.

 

We were waiting for the prices of SSD to come down, now when they are cheap, we want the expensive NVME drives....

 

I got a 256 gb NVMe more for curiosity sake. I can't really notice anything between a standard SSD. The thing to remember is the seek time is still instant on both. SSDs are still awesome. NVMe would make good really sense for video editing. Going 1tb SSD over 256 NVMe is a pretty good decision.

 

Cant go back to SATA after experiencing 950 pro and sm961, the difference seems massive in my eyes.

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I'm curious, where do you notice it?

 

Sequential read and write is where the NVME SSDs are far superior to the SATA drives. Loading and running applications like games should be faster by a few seconds on the NVME drives compared to the SATAIII equivalents.

 

The 256GB drives are a bit slower as typically the die capacity has gone up so the parallel access has gone down. You'll want 512GB-1TB depending on the controller to get the full speed.

 

Boot up, loading apps and games, file transfers between drives, I just see an overhaul improvement which in my case def justifies the price tag.

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Pcper have some interesting articles based on average service times and how long it takes for all requests to be completed, even when the DMI bus is saturated.

 

I know this has been discussed somewhere on the thread, but I can't find it. So my question is given that gtx 1080 can run most games at well over 100 fps at max settings at 1080p does it actually matter that the 120 Hz doesn't have gsync? My understanding is that gsync is most important at low frame rates or if dropping frames.

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It does help smooth out drops, if you are typically at 120fps and go down to 80FPS then it hides the drop somewhat. It's nice but not essential.

 

Yeah, that would be great, but I'm pretty sure that the heatsinks are in short supply right now since they only come with a barebones, and I don't feel like sending it in for several weeks just to wait for parts. I might bring it up if I RMA it for something else, but I don't see any need to send it in if I can get it working well.

 

Do most people not see tearing below the screen refresh rate? I feel like I like GSync more for that than the smoothness of drops.

 

Technically speaking, you won't notice much at this point. However, (if or when) I get a DM3, I want the inclusion of G-Sync for the reasons as follow. If I am spending 3.5k+, I expect to have features/functionality that may not be a part of my everyday usage but are good to have. My computing needs change constantly and I expect my expensive hardware to adapt and not the other way around.

Another great reason is I expect to keep the DTR as long as I can. As technology progresses, games will be more demanding and G-Sync should help hide some of the tech limitations in the future. I want to get at least three years of computing out of a 3.5k+ machine.

Some users will have their own reasons but those above are mine. It's almost like the Yamaha 677 receiver i purchased. It had tons of features I probably wouldn't use but the single feature I wanted, HDCP2.2 for 4K content, it didn't have. I got it for an amazing price of $239 and it normally goes for 350ish. I returned it. If I would have purchased a DM3 now and then learned that they were releasing a version with G-Sync, i would return it as well. I work extremely hard for my money and I want to get the biggest bang for my buck.

 

Totally feeling you, man!

On the other hand, there's also the fact (about Gsting) that only some things can use it properly, and it doesn't work for entire display... And under a certain framerate, it can cause other artifacts.

But with 1080, one sure doesn't need Gsync now. Might as well have it for later on, but just as a mention, madVR cannot use Gsync right now, and will not work properly with it. Some people might be video quality junkies, and this's important matters!

 

A 'few seconds' faster than Sata III for loading programs / games ?
Not really. I notice copying between drives being super fast myself. Imaging and backing up is ridiculously fast too.

 

Any links to this? I always use madVR with GSYNC and didn't notice any issues

 

It was mentioned a few times that Gsync is hit or miss with madVR, and was recommended a few times to disable it, and now it's a banned subject of discussion in the main madVR thread

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1753237&postcount=35327

I don't know much more, but there was a dark aura around it, so I assumed it's not working well, since everyone said it's disabled when presenting a bug.

 

Congratulations on the purchase! I'm going to make a nearly identical purchase soon. Just curious why you chose the 4K screen? Was it your first choice, or would you have gone with the 1080p 120hz screen had the G-sync option been available for it? I'd like to hear your impressions of the machine and the screen in particular once you receive it.

 

Just as well I made the order as the SSD and possibly the motherboard on my current Clevo has stopped functioning. Earliest I will see the new laptop will be second week of October but my priority now is trying to fix my system or get back the data before it's completely gone.

 

Looking at the Sager site, it seems like both FHD and 4K displays are back ordered for several weeks. Wonder if this means the FHD G-Sync and some other display (1440P?) are inbound ... I have my order currently with a 4K but the 1440P would be an interesting option - especially at 120Hz, with or without G-Sync.

 

I totally would love something like that.

Especially if it came with 100% adobeRGB coverage, good brightness and good response times!

 

It has been a popular model

 

I have the DM3 with 4K screen. It is a joy when gaming!!! Been playing Xcom 2 maxed out at 4K for a couple days. After hours of play temps were below 60 degrees.
Only downside I have experienced so far with the 4K screen is steam doesn't scale well.
Also an interesting update on the fan noise!!!! I contacted XMG regarding returning my DM3 because of noise under load.
Let me begin by saying XMG customer service he been very good! Both Neil and Andrew are helpful!
They said I could return it, but also said this was an issue with the fan profile and that when Clevo releases a new EC (don't know what EC stands for) XMG will work on a new fan profiles and an update will be provided. This shouldn't be far off (weeks, not months hopefully). They also said the fans are very similar to the previous chassis model and a significant reduction will be seen with the new EC and new fan profiles.
I am sure someone can comment on what EC stands for and how much of difference this will likely make, but wanted to share.
Good luck with your purchase mate.

 

EC=Embedded Control and it is essentially firmware that controls things that the BIOS does not. Among those things are stuff like fans and LED lighting.

If updated fan tables gimp the fans to make them quiet, that will be very bad for those that prefer cool over quiet. Hopefully, that will be made clear and customers can choose the EC that allows the fans to run full blast if that is what they prefer. If FN+1 still works and let's them go balls to the wall exactly like they do now, I suppose that would still be totally OK. I always use FN+1 for overclocked benching and the rest of the time I don't care.

Let's just hope Clevo doesn't overreact and make the same stupid mistake that Alienware did when they dumbed down the fans on the Haswell machines by gimping their max speed through EC cancer. That totally sucked because even forced to max the EC would allow, the fans were still about 500 RPM below their capacity and those machines have never run as cool as they should if the fans were allowed to run full blast.

 

I'm building an older DM1 and I hope my ears pop from the fans. I'll be a little bummed if they're quiet.

 

You should get the 6700K.. You say you don't overclock but getting 2 1080s is wasted with 6700.. Having the extra is no harm for a small price.. Honestly get the 6700K you won't regret it!!

It already is 400Mhz faster at stock then 6700 lol... And more CPU power you have the better to feed the 2 1080s..

 

It's pretty remarkable. I keep hearing how DTR's are a niche market, but apparently not if multiple resellers cant keep them in stock.

 

yeah and it sucked to have to use HWiNFO to setup custom fan profiles.

 

Yes it did. Having to use a third party tool for something like that to regain normal basic functionality always sucks. It also sucks that Alienware has left it broken because "that's what they think is best" (which is pure horse dung).

Although I will say, I do wish HWiNFO64 fan controls would work on Clevo. That would be nice. FN+1 is perfect when you want the max, but HWiNFO64 manual fan tables are better than using the Clevo Control Center manual control. It also sucks that 80% is the max allowed using that Clevo tool. Why they did not make the max allowed using that tool 100% is odd. I don't get that.

 

I think we're a big market.

What should be nice is mid-high end laptops...

I mean... Someone either buys mid end, or low end, or goes full blown into enthusiast territory.

What I find wrong and unethical is for mid range laptops to be marketed as high end. Just feels wrong to me to have an Acer predator with 980m and BGA CPU priced and marketed as being the same thing as a Clevo P775, or the fact that there is virtually no knowledge among buyers of what the differences are between the so named top end configurations.

 

I feel the need to ask this... I can't find the main Pascal thread anymore for a reason or another and I wanted to know... How big is the difference between 1080 and 1070? to what would 1070 compare to performance wise? I might need to rush buy a laptop and I really need to know what I could expect from an 1070 performance wise, when compared to 1080 and 980....

Also, Romanian distributor has P6XX P7XX and P87XX for sale, and I started seriously considering an P6XX though I expect the great people in here to talk me out of getting one since I'm looking for best power

 

Clock for clock, the 1070 will look very much like a 980. So divide the clocks and you'll get a rough idea of how many times more powerful it is than the 980.

 

For £50+ for 400mhz more and nearly double the tdp, I think not.

I don't do artificial benchmarks and the last CPU I got on my old clevo was the non overclock i7 which I never found a bottleneck. GPU is always first to slow system down and this gen of CPU isn't going to be min req for games anytime soon.

 

It's a brave choice, even more so to announce here in OC Central

Looking to reduce TDP and heat generated is a good tuning idea, please let us know how that works out.

I've thought a 6600K would be a nice mix, able to OC but turning off the Hyperthreaded cores reduces the power and heat used. For me, saving a few bucks for losing those 4 hyperthreaded cores I would never need, makes sense.

Most games don't use 8 cores (hyper-threaded or otherwise), 4 cores is most often the maximum used by games.

 

To each their own. I think £50 is a bargain for an extra minimum 400 hz. It's more like 800 - 1000hz with a little tweaking.

Having a beast CPU helps out alot in modern games if you're shooting for triple digit fps.
Project Cars is probably my most played game. That thing eats overclocks and rewards with more frames.

 

Hey, Im looking at picking up one of these models through eurocom. (branded as skyx9 e2)
Would it be possible to ask for any known issues and quirks of the model from owners?
Also does anyone have experience working with eurocom?

 

Eurocom has the worst customer service I've ever experienced with any company. It's your choice but I would go with HIDevolution as they provide great customer service, more configuration options in terms of CPUs like Silicon Lottery CPUs, faster RAM, more SSD options, etc.

Look at the
Reseller Feedback Forum

 

do they have an office in canada? i am hoping to avoid the absurd duty fee's and taxes for bringing something over the border......and sending it back if i need to rma.

 

no office in Canada but if you choose the Global Warranty, then shipping costs for RMAs and sending you parts is on them. I'd pay more to avoid the horrible customer service at Eurocom.

Just to give you an example, back then when I had my Eurocom Sky X9, I contacted them asking them to give me the latest Prema BIOS, then come clown responded, "it is still under testing and is not stable", when I and hundreds of others users know that the Prema VBIOS is stable as heck and have been using it for months, I was just asking them for an update.

Then their head of technical support tells me to ignore that person who emailed me and sends me the latest VBIOS. LOL

 

It is a bargain for £50.. Let me be honest with you, I have a 6700K and the TDP barely goes above 70W at most when I'm running at 4.4GHz.. The 6700 has rated TDP of 65W while 6700K is 95W so hardly double...

Its your choice, but let me tell you from experience, you'll regret being stingy on that 50 later on and it will cost you much more than that.. Times have moved on since you had the P170HM and this is from someone who had a G73JH with 740qm at one point.. I would have killed for a 6700K back then at 4.4GHz instead of the 2GHz I was stuck with..

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Any effect on the Windows 10 with/without anniversary update on the bench scores?

 

Triple digit FPS on the 6700k vs. over 60Hz on the 6700 on a 4k screen on my chosen processor with max refresh rate of 60Hz.

Difference between a 2GHz processor and the 4.4 on the 6700k is huge, less so 400Hz difference which will vary depending on the silicon quality even on stock clocks.

Tweaking = overclocking by a different name. I don't do it. Not to mention if something goes wrong (and it invariably does with my luck) warranty coverage will be more difficult as I expect to travel over the warranty length and may not be able to send it in.

Yes it's my choice but having seen all of the complaints about running temperatures I'm playing it safe with a slightly lower rated CPU which isn't exactly noticeably worse than the 6700k everyone else seems to be getting for their artificial benchmarks.