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The K can be tweaked in any direction you like of course.

 

I'm just going to say you never want to own the minimum requirments for a CPU.

Having freedom means having a choice. Being with a locked CPU is locked either way, you can decrease voltage on a K CPU and dramatically improve temps. Though I haven't tried this yet with a non K CPU, someone might advice better.

At any rate, like @Phoenix would say or do, having the best possible is a treat that we should allow ourselves, since paying 50$ - 100$ more on an over 3000$ laptop is not that much of a difference price wise, but could improve the usage you can get out of it, and the endless fun you can have with it.




Overclocking is so much after first time you try it, that you never want to stop until you reach the top10 scores world wide.

 

I don't mind being different, even if I'm laughed at for being stingy and not going for an unlocked CPU which I wouldn't be able to manipulate without wrecking something given my luck.

My experience with my locked CPU might even be useful for the other thread recording temperatures for the various configurations of the DM3.

 

This

Please people, if you are questioning spending $50 or a $300 USD more for a few more upgrades such as getting a Silicon Lottery CPU, faster RAM, etc. then this laptop is not for you, go get yourself a BGA laptop that has a complete package in one box for much cheaper. This machine is for people who want the best of the best and don't mind/can afford paying a premium for the best.

If you cannot afford the maintenance, then don't buy a BMW M4, if you can, then you enjoy the ultimate driving machine.

@Mr. Fox

 

If i may be so bold to ask, does anyone have 1440uw figures for this machine? i have been googling everything i can think of and im only coming up with 980Ti's as a result.

 

To each his own, bro!

Some people even are sporting a M4 and use it only for going getting some cigarettes 200m away!

Although the point Meaker stated out is hardly to ignore. I rather would buy a 6700k and downclock it, than buying a 6700 which I can't even tweak in some way....

 

I think that's a tad overzealous though. Although I wholeheartedly recommend getting a K. At least getting a non BGA machine let's him sell his non K and upgrade once he (inevitably ) discovers his mistake ( joke) and wants more power. That's also part of the draw card to a real machine that a BGA Fisher Price toy can't offer.

Also 6700k's seem to be similarly binned. Most people can easily get 4.7 / 4.8 so I'd argue silicon lottery chips don't represent great value as with something like a 5820k.

 

right, the previous 2 systems I had with a 6700K could barely run @4.2 GHz on all cores without reaching 94C and thermal throttling despite me having LCU and undervolting. Then I got sick of this luck of the draw thing and got me a Silicon Lottery CPU

 

No!! See pict below

What you can expect from an unlocked 6700K
Even without Oc... A better processor!!
And the best part... You don't need a Silicon lottery chips
But 6700 or even worse the mobile I7 BGA is what I call wasted money!!

 

You know after my experience with the night and day difference of the Clevo Heatsinks I'd rather pay $300 for some Copper Lottery first... Just to rule it out. My first HS was disgusting - Clevo should be embarrassed. I got 4ghz running into the high 90s. New heatsink and a delid later I was running 4.7 GHz 24/7 with high 80s.

 

Amazing how vitriolic criticism can get from one person's decision not to buy processors with overclocking; especially when none of the arguments put forward suggest the CPU I'm getting is going to be obsolete immediately after purchase (which is the impression I'm getting).

I get that everyone here admires DTR laptops for their hardware capabilities, but it's starting to grate when those with 6700k processors and 1080 GTX SLI portray themselves as some kind of master race with everyone going one step less being discriminated against as some kind of runty aberration.

I'll repeat myself, I don't overclock or do tweaking (so getting the K processor is somewhat wasted on me since I'd probably fry it doing either measure if I tried). TDP 65W against the 91W for the K means I'm happy with the former rather than trying to gamble lowering the power draw on the latter. If the 6700 is eventually made obsolete several years down the line, the K variant isn't going to outlast it for years longer just because it can maintain a higher clock speed.

 

I can't see anything. Please stop using the forums to upload images it's broken

Use this, it allows you to upload multiple images then get the code for all at once, just make sure you choose to get the code for the image not the thumbnails:

https://postimage.org/

 

Especially comments like these. Does it not occur to some that this is the one machine with the best hardware options available which doesn't scream "Please steal me because I'm worth more than the everyman's laptop!"

I find it laughable too that the person who posted this doesn't even undervolt because of audio crackling issues yet complains about operating temperatures about the whole machine. In my case I can't even wait now that my current Clevo is probably permanently out of commission.

I understand the "folly" for not going the whole hog over the processor, but why should I suffer abuse from others for not doing the herd instinct?

 

You're absolutely right! It's the choice of freedom we have with Clevo configuring our rigs like it suites our needs best. And that doesn't mean that only the best stuff is good enough.

A Phoenix configured like that is still a badass rig. And no one should complain about it, even if we all have different opinions about that....

Would mean that my Panther with 970m's is a looser rig, only because all the others sported them with 980m's. Which it isn't!

 

Oh, I meant "freedom of coice" of course!

 

Just ignore the trolls

 

Free maintenance for 3 years on BMW M4

 

The rhetoric on this forum makes my eyes roll out of their sockets at times. That said, the only real concern you should have is pricing. The 6700K should be strictly superior to the 6700, since Intel would be stupid if they didn't bin out the garbage chips into the non-overclockable SKU. Max power draw is something you can set yourself if you're concerned about overheating, and if I had to wager I'd guess that an average 6700K would be stable at lower voltages than a 6700 for the reason above. You may not need that CPU power now, but who knows what you'll find lacking about the 6700 a few years down the road?

 

ENTHUSIAST RIGS FOR THE ENTHUSIAST GOD!!! *

* For risks and side effects read the manual and ask your trusted reseller (or NBR forum members).

 

C'mon now... really? People are passionate about wanting to help others avoid bad decisions. If you know what you want, then just go ahead and do what you want to. You're totally free to do that.

If you feel abused by discussion and people offering suggestions then something else is wrong and it's not the person that encouraged you to get something better. You're only a victim in this circumstance if you choose to be. Otherwise, just be thankful that some people care enough to offer you what they view as being good advice. We all want you to be happy with what you buy, so there is no need to have a chip on the shoulder and feel abused for having a lower standard than others.

With a socketed CPU you will enjoy the luxury of being able to upgrade to something better later if you change your mind. Heck, you could even downgrade if you felt like it. Either way, you'll be able to decide since it's not BGA filth.

 

That's what I wanted to say initially. But ma english is not that good for eloquent writing, ya know?

But nevertheless, I envy all you for getting this crazy machine.
Wish I could.... even with i5-6600! ....Nah, not really!

 

@Harleyquin07 - I second @Mr. Fox's last paragraph.

You just bought a Clevo! The GREAT thing about your purchase is if you don't like your choice in CPU, just get an i7-6700K down the road. And if you feel what you have is overkill, too hot, or whatever, you can go with an i5-6600. The power of CHOICE is a win for all owners of socketed Clevo based laptops.

 

Finally, I got my Evoc P870DM2 After installing the parts from my p870dm and accidentally formatting the HDD that contained all of my data due to excitement, here's a fs run at stock http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10090846 . Temps are really good using OC fan profile (less than 80C as far as I can remember). The fans are loud when they kick-in but I don't mind.

 

Well, I kind of hate to say this....But you can not fry a 6700K in a laptop. The laptop also can come with a tuning package that allows you to fry your cpu one time. Or go and skip it across the pavement if you like. It takes far more than 1.5V to fry a 6700K and these machines are hard coded at 1.5V. So if those were your main concerns, then you are fine if you choose to go that route. Also, nothing wrong with you wanting a 6700.

 

Of course you are free to choose whatever you want but the problem is that you keep coming up with statements which suggest that 6700 is somehow better choice than 6700k. And this is the reason people are trying to convince you. If your statements suggest that you understand that 6700 is not better than 6700k but it is just your choice to select 6700, nobody will argue with you.



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I am a little late to this party...but please check your specs because there is no 1TB Samsung 950 Pro M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive. Is it maybe the Samsung 850 Pro SATA SSD?

 

Considering the 2x m.2 already in there it will be an 850 pro. Though I do have a 1tb sm961 in mine there are not 3x m.2 slots

 

Guys which ram will be a better option for this laptop:

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series
32GB (2 x 16G)
260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) F4-3000C16D-32GRS
timing: 16-18-18-43


OR

CORSAIR Vengeance Performance
32GB (2 x 16G)
260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) CMSX32GX4M2A3000C16
timing: 16-18-18-39

 

Gskill has typically performed well but with such minor differences they should be similar.

 

The G.SKILL is known compatible. I had 2 x 16GB sticks of it and @Phoenix had 4. Would be nice to know if the Vengeance works as well or better.

 

Users already called me stupid for sticking with the slower processor. Not sure when I claimed the 6700 was better than the k variant, I just said I didn't want the overclock and it snowballed from there.

I didn't see the price markup justifying the performance improvement and promptly got slated for that too.

Still, it's my choice and I'm not changing unless the retailer somehow runs out of 6700 to work with.

 

Here are some more benchmarks for the P870DM2 at stock (no cpu undervolt).
Firestrike - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10156633
Firestrike Extreme - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10156676
Firestrike Ultra - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10096134
Skydiver - http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4301193
Cloudgate - http://www.3dmark.com/cg/3780809
Icestorm - http://www.3dmark.com/is/3935235
Icestorm Extreme - http://www.3dmark.com/is/3940088
Icestorm Unlimited - http://www.3dmark.com/is/3940082
Timespy - http://www.3dmark.com/spy/426087
3dmark11 Entry - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11576284
3dmark11 Performance - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11576149
3dmark11 Extreme - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11562238
3dmark Vantage - http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5509027

Below is the temp for firestrike ultra at overclock fan profile

Max temps 65C for the gpu, 63C for the cpu.
Edit: forgot to mention my cpu is the delidded one from the previous p870dm.

 

The text of your URL's says they go to 3dmark.com, but when I hover over them they first go through facebook.com.

Please clean them up, it's really unnerving to get routed somewhere other than expected.

Here's where the first link is really going:

Code:

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dmark.com%2Ffs%2F10090846&h=cAQEKiOfG

 

Sorry man, it should be fixed now I just copied the text when I posted the results on facebook. Thank you for letting me know, will be more careful next time.

 

I've got a quick question for our veteran overclocked brothers.

When undervolting, does the CPU become weaker, or does it do anything funny or strange ?
I tend to work with really sensitive software, and a single bsod can break my fun, especially if it's caused by a bsod or if the CPU starts acting up .

My current CPU , an 4710hq is ..m pretty bad with this. And it's factory default. I started considering settling for a p670 to escape having to use my Acer .... it lags monstrously from time to time and it sometimes hangs and does other creepy stuff for which there is no explanation....

 

The more you undervolt, the more likely it is that a transition fails to cross the threshold voltage and a 1 is misinterpreted as a 0. This is why you want to undervolt as much as possible, then bump it up again to make sure you're high enough to avoid instability since this is a stochastic process and you simply may not have hit a fatal error before turning down your voltage slider when adjusting it.

 

I am a bit late to this party too...Not to wonder...Origin PC is mistaken. They do not offer the 120Hz screen with G-Sync as it has not yet been certified. No Clevo builder has it yet.

 

When importing a laptop to Canada from the US, you only pay the same HST, PST or GST you would pay when buying in Canada. Should you have to send it back for RMA, you will get a commercial invoice for say $20 and it is declared a warranty repair return...no tax.

Please PM me if you have any questions about this.

 

Liquid metal repaste results.

 

Thanks a lot, man!

This comes in very handy to know and understand .

Though I got to ask the people in this thread. If prompted to chose between p670 and p775 , for a difference of 500-600, but 6700k instead of the bga k processor and 1080 instead of 1070, it's a no brain to wait for p775, no ?

( my current situation is... I'm waiting to sell my Acer and until then I'm kinda in a rush. I'm not trying to sell in here, I'm from Romania, shipping would kill to sell to outside...)

 

I'd get the 775DM3. I am getting the 775DM3 with a 6700K/1080 for my girlfriend after a lot of research and discussion. Meanwhile, I continue my internal debate on whether to get the 870DM3.

 

THAT's how it should be! Glad that it worked out for you. Given a good heatsink, a selfmade repaste with ICD or better CLU - delidding and sanding might be optional - and you have great temps under full load!

 

A 2 minute bench really isn't a good indication of temps under load. I was barely hitting 65-70 from a standard FS run, but Heaven 4K maxed was pushing my cards up to 91C easily after some 10-15 minutes, even on max fans.

 

I get that! But Heaven 4k is pushing the Cards really hard. Maybe not as hard as Furmark but similarly. I would be rather interested how your temps are under gaming like RotTR. I'm more interested in temps under real life conditions/use. Though benching is "naturalmente" important as well!
What I was getting here on Information is that vapor chamber heatsinks and Pascal seems to be designed for these (hot) temps. But I would rather keep my rig as cool as possible nevertheless, just to be on the green side.

 

Well...for those twirling their thumbs to see some respectable temps straight out of the box, nothing yet (6700K+1080, let alone 1080SLI, warped Heat Sinks, and poor QC on the DTR's; ain't going to happen)...However, here's an entertaining video to keep you occupied.



On the bright side: Desktop 1080 vs DTR 1080 (Despite the lower clocks pretty much 1:1)


But Temps? Still poor...6700K/1080, what do we expect without proper tuning eh? BUT, that doesn't discount the fact that QC is still an issue with these boxes.

 

*totally didn't see your video link, saw this on MSI forum
Liebniz & Newton ...
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blown opportunity that Linus didn't advise buying from a
Prema Partner​

 

Yup, that's the video that I've just linked...it's worth a watch. Mainly for the high quality shots.

 

Ah no sweat mate. Interesting video though eh? The close ups were nice...I take it that the thermal paste is ICD from the looks of the color and consistency? Just a bummer the temps are still poor even with aftermarket paste.

Great stuff nevertheless...

 

Glad to see him mentioning that MXM fiasco, made my day lel..

 

Right? Something has 'gotta' happen here to keep it alive or at least a variation of it to continue the freedom. Right now with the new releases not too far away like Volta, Kaby Lake etc...it's a prime example of the importance to have the choice to upgrade at our finger tips...