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I was happy to see him mention this too. It's pretty obvious that for this breed of machine to survive it's needs to offer upgradable GPU's, so yeah, it's good he said that.
Also it seems like he got a decent demo sample. I guess Sager stepped up the Heatsink QC for it's public debut.

 

It seems so...we assume Sager would be smart enough to do this (send him a unit that they've double checked) as Linus has a following of 3Million+...gosh now I wish he had emphasizes certain things even more...let it be known!

 

I thought it was very nice of Linus that he didn't show the GPU temp's. The CPU was 93c at 4.0ghz shown briefly at 5:22.

The CPU cooler section seems pretty small, at 5:12.

 

Indeed...caught that too... well although there is no excuse for poor QC at this price range, let alone at this level for a machine built for enthusiasts, at least it gives us something to do...(on the bright side.) That's a part of the experience; although I hope Clevo doesn't take advantage of that notion....

 

I wonder how much delidding the CPU and using liquid ultra would decrease the temp? Also, was he using auto or max fan profile? I think auto because I didn't hear the turbine liftoff sounds I've heard in other videos with max fans on (at around 5:40 in the video).

 

@Harleyquin07

You can only take a horse to the water but you can't make him drink it...

It's your choice, we warned you, quite a few of us have experience with regards to this..

I used to game on P4 desktops with Intel iGPU, moved to a HP laptop, Asus G73JH, AW M17x R4, P771ZM now.. I've used normal and XM and now K CPUs and having the freedom of the XM and K processors whether you want to OC or UV is ALWAYS WORTH IT...Also what is the point of getting such a monotonous notebook if you don't want to get optimal performance out of it? Just get a P650 or a BGA laptop like @Phoenix said...

You have to live with your own choice, we warned you, don't come crying to us when your 2 GTX1080s get bottlenecked by the 6700..

 

None of the other offerings with the 1080 SLI are discreet enough to be used in public, which was a huge draw for me for picking a Clevo machine. This of course isn't going to be an issue to the upgradable notebook master race bigots who have made their point on numerous occasions in the most aggressive way possible.
6700K yields between 5-20% frequency advantage in clock speed over the 6700, but there are no underlying hardware improvements as such. Once the 6700 is bottlenecked by the dual GPUs in the coming years, I seriously doubt the overclock boost is going to buy more than a few months extra time before the whole CPU needs to be changed anyway for hardware-level improvements. Regarding undervolting, users can only undervolt so far before the system is rendered unstable (5-10% on average based on the old undervolt guides) which probably won't match power consumption or temperatures of the inferior 6700 chip. I'm terrible at undervolting anyway even with the guides so would prefer to save myself the trouble and select a more conservative CPU (which all of the 6700k advocates make out to be an absolutely rubbish chip for some reason)
Once the 6700 is bottlenecked, I own a Clevo just like everyone else so the option for buying a CPU with new architecture is always open so long as the motherboard and chipset remain compatible. That remains the case regardless of my initial 6700 or 6700k purchase.

 

Well said, but mate most would argue that if you're already spending this amount of money on a Clevo, then why wouldn't you just opt for the 6700K for not that much more? However, to be fair as you've mentioned, you could always opt for a K series chip at your convenience. Heck, there are scenarios where one would NOT want to opt for a K series if they are in search of a golden silicon that can OC well, so in that case it's understandable if they want to trial and error on their own dime aftermarket.

At any rate, these DTR's are what it is...and it's up to us to be able to tame it to our liking....

 

Hah, buy it for me and we'll see.
Heaven tops out at 85 for me now, so presumably less than that if it uses less power.

 

40% increase in price for 5-20% increase in performance from chosen retailer.

Flexibility isn't a draw since I DON'T OVERCLOCK and am more likely to destroy my laptop with undervolting than gain any advantage in power efficiency.

Some users have a habit for paying extra for miscellaneous features even if they don't end up being used at all or pay over the odds just to exhibit conspicuous consumption. I don't gain anything outside of faster clock speed on the K variant and don't remember the i7-6700 being so horrible it's going to be unuseable within a month.

 

Fair enough. You do have a valid point there that is sufficient to hold its ground.

There are only two scenarios really:

A.) If you're already spending that much money on a DTR, in relative terms, what is a few more bucks to opt for a 6700K?

Impractical "Merica," idiocracy. No offense to anyone, but come on...don't act like the majority doesn't have the, "Go Big or Go Home," mentality...you know it's true. Heck even I'm guilty of it.

B.) The practical consumer who makes smart decisions based on what they need. That's money well spent.

Both scenarios hold equal weight in their own regard, because at the end of the day it's your money; so who's right is it to call your shots eh? Especially when you have a purpose behind it as you've stated. A 6700 is no slouch and is more than capable.

::iunlock::

 

A 6700 is going to be fine with the 1080 sli, there will be edge cases but if you are rising the details and resolution fairly high those will reduce.

 

Just noticed you also ordered a 4K screen, and that will help reduce your CPU need, at 4k Gaming you will be GPU bound, not CPU bound

 

Here's the LinusTechTips review of this model.

 

Yeah that was pretty interesting. Great close up shots.

::iunlock::

 

Do you mean this review - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-371#post-10337956

or perhaps this one - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-371#post-10337965


LOL! Just teasin'.

 

I wish there was a way to mesh these two brother threads of the 870 and 775 together, yet keep them separate lol...if that makes sense

::iunlock::

 

Not bloody likely! LOL. With a wife and 3 kids, I'm watching every penny, and we only buy what we need, not what we want.

I totally support you to get the CPU which you think works best in your use case. And this post is coming from someone in Middle-Town, Nowhere, USA.

I'll let this comment slide, but please realize NBR is a global community. You might be surprised at the countries of origin for the posters so passionately warning you about the CPU choice.

 

@hmscott There's so many pages here... Can someone tell me if the P870DM2 can support SLI in the future if I went with a single GTX 1080 today? I know I would need another power brick and power MUX, maybe new heat sink etc. I just want to make sure the auxilary power connectors for the graphics cards are both there.

Also does the P870DM2 have a graphics MUX to switch to iGPU?

THX!

 

American habit? No... Anyone looking to buy his machine no matter the country they are from has a mentality of paying extra for stuff they don't "need". I know plenty of Britts and other people in many other countries who are enthusiast and have the go big or go home "habit" not just us Americans. Generalizing on your part and aiming towards one country is pretty rude, not welcomed and offensive. If you opt to gimp a DTR with a lesser CPU don't generalize other people who want one. Most people buy this type of machine for pushing the limits and overclocking it till it bleeds.

 

Not good of me to make the generalisation so I've edited the offending post. As it happens the biggest noises against my choice so happen to be users based in the United States or buying from US-based retailers.

What others do with their money is none of my business, but I certainly didn't appreciate it when others were pushing me around regarding my choices.

 

"Not good of me to make the generalisation so I've edited the offending post." - Thank you.

"I certainly didn't appreciate it when others were pushing me around regarding my choices." - I'm not certain they were attacking you personally, and as previously stated, I wholeheartedly support you.

What is important is that the Clevo was the best choice. The others have their passions about GPUs, CPUs, memory, etc., but you know exactly what you need. They do not. I've got your back on this.

 

People need to understand when their opinion or suggestions stops being one and turns into harassing someone for his choices.... Like come on guys im sure he heard you and read about it, if thats what he wants then thats what he wants...

 

That's funny!

To be honest, if I do end up with a HK CPU in a P670, it will be a HK instead of a HQ. I never OC'd before, but sure it sounds like a novelty.

Just saying that it's funny how this discussion ended.

BTW, Also a Fate series fan here!

I'm sure each person has his usage, don't be angry with the answers, some people tried only to help, and some tried to bring a smile on everyone's face. I can't stop fantasizing about tinkering with all things and components, but I'm also sure this is not what most people want.


Unrelated to the last conversation:

I cannot stand using the feeling of using a BGA laptop, and even less the idea of getting a BGA laptop, I'm sure everyone in here can feel my pain
At least Clevo did the right thing right with P670, and one can disable the iGPU entirely!

 

I am confirming this as we type.

 

Yo, can anyone confirm that heatsinks are no longer effed up?

Eyeing this machine but warped heatsink is a big no for me.

 

I'd say be prepared to RMA the heatsink if it's crappy. Although since Sager are trying to tell us this is 'normal' that option might not be on the table...

 

Yes, the EVOC P870DM2 will support Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 in SLi. You will need the 2nd card, SLi cable, SLi heatsink assembly, 2nd AC Adapter and the converter box. These kits will become available shortly.

There is no need for MUX because the iGPU is disabled...it will only run on the dGPU.

 

I have confirmed with my contact that the 120hz G-Sync screen is an option at Eurocom.

 

Thx , moving in the right direction. Any word on the 1440p Gsync option rumored to be available end of Sept beginning of Oct?

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

Patience is definitely a virtue with all these tidbits and confirmations.

 

BTW, does this mean that the spacing for the P870DM2 & P870DM3 MXM slots are identical or very similar?

 

It's exactly the same machine minus the GPUs, heatsink and 2x330 PA.

 

So, please confirm whether they are shipping now. Since they are not, confirm exactly when they can start shipping them...I think you will find the answer is...once they are certified and drivers become available from nVIDIA...no different than any other Clevo builder.

 

Correct!

 

Another question..., When can we expect the new motherboard for P870DM2-3(4/5?) with Kabys lake + new chipset? Not the big move but still a change.

 

Awesome to know! So in the very near future we could just buy a single 1080 chassis...will you guys be offering upgrade kits I hope?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-374#post-10338491

 

Lol.. Smart a$$

 

The current forecast is 1st Quarter, 2017...but as you probably know, Intel does not always hit their targets.

 

Thanks Not the big change if this is correct <the new 200-series chipset will mostly remain the same but will include increased I/O performance that is very important for the platform to be ready for Intel’s next generation Optane storage products that use Intel’s 3D XPoint memory architecture.
http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-200-series-chipset-processor-platform/#ixzz4Jpf78A4c

Another Q..., If Kabys lake (7700K) as rumored comes with increased 95W TDP and higher boost clock. Will Clevo improve cooling for the processor in updated P870? Because Higher TDP means a higher demands for processor cooling... And the cooling is already on the border in P870 with some serious processor overclocking!! At least with shared heatsink like the Grid in P870DM3. With +-5.0 GHz in several bench we need better cooling
@EurocomTechspert @Donald@HIDevolution

 

@Larry@LPC-Digital - can you confirm if a warped heatsink is a valid reason for heatsink-only RMA?

 

Poor resellers... Ha ha ha, that's why I barely answer questions anymore.
Each answer generates two new questions until you feel like the Oracle of Delphi.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the current motherboards will support the next gen intel processor right.

So in theory DM3/2 can just be upgraded to kaby lake. The question now is does doing this method worth it? What are the pros and cons going on this route? Is the new technology to be added on 200 series mother boards worth the wait in terms of gaming and apps i.e autocadd, photshop, 3d maya?

 

Now since you are not a reseller.... one might wonder where you get your info from

 

Yes the *old and the current* motherboard supports next gen intel processors(A firmware update is required). But we're almost done with September now and <7700K> with new chipset comes over the new Year at some point. Not the big difference in performance, but still a bit and the new chipset has a few updates. Skylake is now a year old, and I will rather have the whole package of Kaby lake

Edit. @Trafficante Same way as DM1 I think https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/4/

 

If you work with most of them you just tend to hear a lot more angles than just a single one...

 

There is something fishy with my results in 3dmark11. I am getting 22k gpu (Win7) in the performance entry which is a lot lower than the 28k I got in Win10. Any ideas?

Edit: centered vs stretched gives out some very different results. Will re-run the benchmarks on Win10 just to be sure

 

That's a known bug in 3dmark 11

 

Thank you Meaker. I did a run in Windows 7 vs Windows 10 in 3dmark11 P..Windows 10 on average has a 10-20 frame advantage in the graphics test.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11567233/3dm11/11567165