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Review in German;
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-U727-Clevo-P870DM3-G-Notebook.173373.0.html

 

Dear god those temps. Clevo please revive the P570WM.

 

Just noticed that SM961 and delidded 6700K (stock, non-silicon lottery) is now an option at HIDEvolution for P870DM3. Now all I need is the G-Sync 1080p 120hz screen to be available and then this will be the perfect laptop build.

 

100 C on CPU + 90 C on GPU...

Man... Those are really high temps.

 

On simultaneous Furmark + P95.

 

My usage scenarios are very intensive, especially rendering...

 

"The only way to Fry" - Delta [Fans]

Spoiler

Ok, so "technically" it was Western Airlines slogan, "The only way to fly" - before it became Delta

 

Here's additional OC benchmarks of the P870DM2. I was running max fans, room temp is 18-20C. The max I saw in the cpu temp is around 67C, gpu temp less than 65C

TimeSpy http://www.3dmark.com/spy/426117
FireStrike http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10119007
FireStrike Extreme http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10119197
FireStrike Ultra http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10119288
Skydiver http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4296097
Cloudgate http://www.3dmark.com/cg/3782971
IceStorm http://www.3dmark.com/is/3936954
IceStorm Extreme http://www.3dmark.com/is/3936981
IceStorm Unlimited http://www.3dmark.com/is/3936962
3dmark11 Entry http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11568507
3dmark11 Performance http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11567233
3dmark11 Extreme http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11567554

 

The GPU heatsinks would collapse on the P570WM, they are simply not good enough even if the PCB did fit.

 

Temperature is a very big problem.. Forget about p570dm.. We have a lot of problems temperature on the new p870dm3... Yesterday with mine i get safety shutdown and even screen blink for 3 hours.. We need at least two more fans and more pipes... Cooling system are still not good at this level of power..

 

I had hours of GTA V without issue, I wanted to tweak things a little anyway so I took my heatsink off and got a handy picture.



Note that damage caused by replacing the pads will not be covered under warranty.

Every pad you see is either the original (Blue and white pads) or 1mm thermal grizzly. The exceptions being the ram (0.5mm) and the top inductor pads (0.5mm + 1mm).

I did actually have one thermal pad slightly misbehaving so the contact on the primary was just slightly off but you can see the mostly clean contact.

Pad placement is key in this instance!

 

But now i cannot see the option to select g-sync in configuration page of your website. So is this not available anymore?

 

If i remember correctly, your CPU is delided right?

 

In the (translated by Google) review, it seems that the auto fan profile was used.

From the review (translated by Google):
"As linchpin of the software installation, the Control Center turns. The name says it all. In addition to a fan control (we used the auto-setting) are also a CPU and a GPU overclocking on board which are perfect for experimentation."

Would expect that some of the results (high temps/throttling) would be better if he used OC fan profile or max fans during the stress test?

EDIT: added quote from the article and some clarifying text.

 

The auto fan profile only goes up to 80?%, so yes to some extent. I wouldn't expect much of an improvement if you're running P95 and Furmark at the same time though.

 

Could you run Wprime 1024M - Cinebench R11.5 with max processor OC? Log the max temp. This is to compare DM2 vs. DM3 with its Grid (if this shared heatsink in DM3 affect the cpu max temp in bench). Thanks
Could you @Meaker@Sager also do the same?

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jbeswno4a4mdiy6/wPrime.exe
http://downloads.guru3d.com/CineBENCH-11.5-download-2475.html#download

 

After seeing these temps, I am glad I canceled my P870DM3 order

 

I think DM2 have decent temp on processor/gpu. The problem is the Grid in DM3. I mean Clevo should make a better processor cooling with the release of Kaby Lake.

 

Baby flake ?

 

Flaby cake?

 

Not a Baby if Kaby can do +5.0 GHz or higher in all bench you feed More like +12.3 pts in Cinebench R11.5

 

I will @Papusan when I get back (approximately two weeks from now)

 

Yes, it is delidded. But yeah, the temps between the two are great specially if there is clu on the die.

 

Two weeks? Ok Enjoy your new machine

 

I don't believe inductors need cooling or thermal pad even, those are just solid block of metal with copper coil inside it and no electronics iirc.

 

The inductors are doing work smoothing the power delivery.

Capacitors smooth voltage spikes and inductors smooth current spikes by breaking down their magnetic field and there are some losses.

The original heatsink pad layout has them covered with pads.

 

How to make wPrime.exe work? It says unexpected error quitting. Here's the cinebench r11.5, is the score okay? This is the first time I ran this benchmark

Wprime

 

Make sure you're running Wprime as administrator.

 

@Meaker@Sager, I'm looking into the DM3 and wondering if the 3 fan coolmaster makes any difference to the temps, have you had any experience with that or similar? Also I read briefly somewhere that people have removed the plastic outlet vents for the fans on other clevos to reduce any exhaust restriction, are they really that significantly restrictive?

On another note, I'm holding out for the FHD 120Hz with gsync, mainly because I can't see it running future games at 4k 60 at full settings 3 years down the line, but FHD will hopefully be running strong for much longer. Am I wrong in thinking this? I love the gsync on my current 75hz screen, I've never seen a 120 running at all, does anyone have any serious opinions on whether gsync is necessary for a 120?

 

Ok, read pretty much every post in the forum, definitely getting the FHD 120 when it comes with gsync. Can everyone sign a petition to nvidia to make them hurry up and certify the screen please hehe!?

Also I noticed someone said the CLU isn't good for gpus but I couldn't find an explanation as to why? Any ideas?

 

Since they're so watery, metal pastes require a tight fit between the die and the heatsink, which means that any imperfections or misalignments mean that it won't work well and could increase the risk of spillage. You'll need to adjust for this using copper shims to reduce spacing, and possibly washers under the GPUs to correct bad contact angles if that's the case. Not just that, but there are components directly around the die, so if any metal gets out, it's likely game over for your card.

 

We stopped offering Coollaboratory Luquid Ultra (CLU) on the GPU because we had a few GPU's overheating after some time. Not only that, but the CLU would become runny (like water) and run down to the resistors causing them to fall right off. This is not covered under the manufacturer's warranty if it happens.

We could apply it, but we would be responsible for the GPU overheating (more than usual) or just not working after some time, and we are not willing to take that risk, nor do we recommend that anyone should do it.

 

Ah OK. Makes sense if it's less viscous. Hey Donald, I've already had my future bank account breaker picked out and customised on the HID website, just waiting for the news on the screen. Are you offering any 3000 MHz ram since I checked? Figured if you're spending this much you might aswell go all the way, only do it once in a life time!

 

They do offer 3000 MHz. RAM if you ask them although it's not yet advertised on their website for some strange reason

 

For the paranoid:

Spoiler

 

What's that? an electronic Sushi?

 

GTX 1080 chips topped with a Conductonaut vinaigrette and served with a Kryonaut aioli.

 

LOL

 

So what do you guys think about the 3 fan coolmaster or similar? Are they just gimmicks or can the bring the temp down a few degrees by at least cooling the surrounding areas of the gpu and maybe the drives at least? Noise isn't an issue, thats what headphones are for hehe.

 

they help, but don't expect anything major, maybe 3-5C improvement at best

 

With stock mini 5v fans? Nothing!! Not useful.
You need to mod http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lienware-laptops.593626/page-46#post-10208973

 

Haha they look mental but simple to make! My problem is I travel a lot with work and hand carry the laptop in a briefcase looking type bag, so much easier getting through security without having to pull it out of an already full back pack. The coolermaster fans look like they would easily slide into the front pocket and the laptop bag would slot into the metal part and I would use a short tie down strap through the handle and around to keep it tight, doubles as a good protective case on one side at least too. I need to find some quick release clip method for those bigger fans.....

 

For traveling https://www.bluelounge.com/products/cool-feet
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-Heat-Reduction-Pad-Cooling-Cool-Feet-Cooler-Stand-Pad-Leg-/121205307912

 

One can use plastic bottle caps. Works okay for a panic solution, but laptop slides too easy on the table. It's funny how the need for a fast and easy solution can be the mother of creativity.

 

I tried removing the foil over the 2nd GPU fan. Here are my results, on the left is after, on the right is before. This was looping heaven.

 

7 degrees less is pretty good. This is with max fans? And what foil are you talking about? On the bottom cover? Also, did this change CPU temps at all? I know more room for air intake is generally better, but sometimes air flow path/ducting is more important so other components get their proper cooling.

 

We have always told everyone to get rid of the bottom foil, test were done on the 980m and results were very similar.

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I remember reading that, glad it's making a difference here too after all the worries of overheating on the DM3. Isn't that cover/foil meant for systems with a single card to create proper air flow to that card, and if so shouldn't the vendors remove that for SLI models by default?

 

I'm running a single M.2 and it's the SM961 which is less sensitive to thermal loads along with not doing a lot of I/O intensive operations.

The second fan is used to draw air around the keyboard and 2nd ram set/m.2 drives.

 

Yes, clevo seems to provide one cover for both. I would recommend the vendors to start trimming them before shipping.

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