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As I said it's done to increase M.2/ram airflow below the keyboard. The machines have to work to all environments they are shipped.

 

What about cutting thin long slots in the foil from front to back all the way along instead of removing it completely, maybe still draw some air across the memory too, might even stir the air up a bit.

 

You will drop the air pressure through the keyboard significantly by doing that and may as well open it up.

 

So which exactly are the pieces of foil to remove? I recall seeing a diagram at one point but can't remember where. Also, is this only beneficial when used with a cooler, or will it help even on a static surface?

 

I think I wasn't clear, I meant the same foil you removed, slotting it should keep some of the vacuum compared to removing it (the foil) completely no? Or am I visualising it like a retard?

 

Are the 120Hz screens G-SYNC certified yet?

 

Eurocom has them listed now.

*edit
Had them listed but are gone now, their rep said they were available but have dissapeard.

 

Based on this: Ask the Resellers! Questions to Reseller Thread.

Probably not yet.

 

Just out of curiosity: I am wondering which Screen resolution might be best for 1080 SLI? I would assuming that 1080 SLI should top out FHD w/ 120Hz easily or am I mistaken? Even for the most demanding triple A games? If so, then - Performance wise - a 4k (60/120Hz) should be the "better" choice then?

Any fps datas from 1080 SLI with 120Hz FHD? GTA V, Deus Ex, etc. on Ultra settings? Sorry, if I might missed some Posts earlier.

 

Easy math for a quick answer
4k = 1080x4
1080 @ 120hz = 248,833,000 / Half the GPU but almost double the CPU.
4k @ 60hz = 497,664,000 / Twice the GPU but almost Half the CPU

The reason you want GSync for both is at 120hz you will find most games are not optimize to run at that level so they won't in all situations. With 4k @ 60hz the pure amount of GPU required to maintain the frame rate of only 60fps.

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I was in the same boat, after researching and looking at a fair few benchmarks I've decided on the FHD mostly because I want to get the most out of the laptop over the next few years. The 1080 sli is massive overkill for the screen, but in 2 or 3 years it will still be runningmost things maxed out. Whereas the 4k at the moment is anywhere between 45 and 90 fps and not at max settings. The gsync fixes this but I would guess in a couple of years you'll be dropping resolution or quality massively to keep it at 60hz. Depends on how long you plan on keeping the laptop I suppose.

 

Okay, then it has to be Volta/Vega to "tame" QHD at reasonable fps on Ultra!

 

Also from what I've read, not seen, a lot of people are more impressed with the jump in difference between 60 or 75Hz and 120hz than they are with FHD to 4k. Apparently it's so much more fluid and accurate when panning across wide areas (think rotating in fps). The 4k is supposed to be jaw droppingly crisp but not not worth the trade off in Hz. Supposedly 1440 at 120 or 144 is the ideal screen at the moment

 

This is the reason the 2k 1440p @ 75hz or @ 120hz could be the middle ground.

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Why is this not an option?

 

The screens are just now starting to show up such as in the Arous x7 dt models. Hopefully Clevo will integrate them into their lineup but no guarantees.

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Just kind of an addition to this (I know you did it quick & easy):
- Give or take, this is true (but it isn't so bad for some post-process effects like FXAA) so it'll be a bit better than 1/4 performance in general from 1080/60.
- Just a bit more than double the CPU & half the GPU here. Increasing FPS isn't linear on the CPU; it's more like 120fps is 102-105% of 60fps, give or take, in most games. The GPU deal is a little similar.
- It'd be less than twice the GPU for sure. I'd say it'd be closer to directly half the CPU. Raising resolution is *VERY* slightly more demanding on CPU load (usually negligible), but it'd even out the slightly non-linear 120Hz from 1080p I think.

I'm being nitpicky I know, but I think it's useful to know.

Eh, it'll be just right quicker than you'd think. I don't expect you'll be able to max new AAA games and hold 120fps or higher by 2018 (this depends pretty heavily on SLI too). But it still is the best option for longevity.

1440p 120Hz would be the perfect sweet spot for this machine as of right now. Stuff like Witcher 3 would push it hard to the limit though (yes, I am counting hairworks). Considering I find 1080/120 manage-able for the most part 3 years after the purchase, and my cards aren't full-speed desktop cards, I could say it might be manage-able in 2-3 years with 1080 SLI.

 

Exactly, hence reason for waiting for gsync so when the fps drop down to 60 or below in about 3 years it won't be so noticeable. Hopefully by then they won't have changed the connectors for the gpu so we can just upgrade unlike the 980 (desktop class in the clevo) to 1080.

 

Sounds plan. However I just learn from my last system that Gsync at 50fps still feels like 50fps..it just looks cleaner.
Not that I think you'll be dipping to 50fps mark for quite some time

 

Yeah it only stops the screen tearing and negates the need for the power sapping response time reducing vsync. Doesn't directly increase the fps, but it bloody works and will definitely increase the useful life of any laptop. I'd be surprised if anyone with sense buys one without gsync from now on.

 

Me!!!! ya rude bastard!!..lol.. only joking
I've got one on order. I don't play with vsync on. I had G-sync on my old P870 and it was one of the most underwhelming experiences after all the hype it got. I usually had it turned off.
Don't get me wrong. Id choose a Gysnc monitor over a non-Gsync monitor everyday of the week - because options are always good. But I won't miss it.

 

After looking up my 1080 in NVIDIA Inspector I found that it has a fixed temperature target of 91 degrees. Is this why the laptop lets the card get this hot beforce effectively cooling it? I'd love a fan profile more powerful and adaptive than "automatic" but not quite as nuts as "overclock" (which is almost full blast when gaming and keeps the gpu and cpu at aroung 65-70 degrees). I hope we can get an updated CCC someday....

 

GSYNC + Fast Sync together FTW

 

No, you are conflating the GPU throttle temperature with the EC fan curve. Although obviously if the target was lower, it would run cooler at the expense of performance.

 

Hehe no insult intended, much, hehe. You've probably had better gaming rigs than me, I don't think I've ever had anything that doesn't throw screen tearing around like it's the only thing it knows how to do, I can't stand it!

 

Yeah nah I hear ya. I hate tearing too. Since I moved to 120 and 144hz screen gaming it's never been a problem. Around 40-50 things can be terrible on a 60hz monitor though.

But like I said. I'd still take a Gsync panel over a non Gsync panel any time just to have options. I'd wait for it to release but I need a machine now and I'll probably get a 1440p 120hz panel once they come out.

 

Custom fan control is also available in the clevo software

 

@Meaker@Sager - is it true that the thermal pad is the issue with heatsink instead of the heatsink base being not flat?

 

I would look more to the alignment of the GPUs with respect to each other and the chassis as the root cause.

 

I would say in designs like this the pads can make all the difference between great contact and pants contact. It's worth getting a set and adjusting them IMO. I would mostly concentrate on the ones I replaced.

 

A lot of people on here talk about G-sync enabled cards. With g-sync chips on them..

Aren't all GTX cards from the 660ti up G-sync compatible? Isn't that what it says on the Nvidia site?
They don't make old cards anymore...wasn't it a circuit we could even install on older monitors? ( a year and a half ago this was a big topic)

So why all the talk about g-sync gtx 1080's and non - Gsync 1080's?

 

Mobile g-sync has no special hardware, so to get their licensing fees Nvidia does a firmware/driver level feature lockout based on a few resistors on the GPU and the display hardware ID.

 

I'd like some help in this thread as opposed to creating a separate one on the particularities of my issue.

A bit of a preface ...

It's been well over two weeks since I ordered a P870DM3-G from PCSpecialist.co.uk. The order has been stuck in pre-production limbo for a while, so, I enquired about the matter today, only to learn that the 4K panels are currently not available and they have no E.T.A. on when to expect these going forward. They also confirmed that moving to the 1080p panel would allow the production to progress as these are available. Honestly, I just opted for the 4K panel because it was being offered for a relatively lower price point than other local competitors. The price difference between the 4K and 1080p panels being £99.


My question ...

Would it be advisable to wait a bit longer for some kind of update on the 4K panels or is the 1080p panel a likely better choice? I ask this because I've heard various anecdotes praising the broader quality and resilience of the 1080p screen (in terms of refresh rate overclocking, etc.) in comparison to some of the inherent limitations of the 4K panel. Again, any insights -- and even advice -- on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

 

Which thermal pad area?

 

Check out my screenshot of my heatsink, I give a breakdown with it

 

Ok, here is mine.
3 loops @ 93F room temp. Everything maxed out.
No mods and foil is still on bottom.


So pretty much the same.
As your no modded run.

Edit
Also, this is over clocked to 100+/250+

 

Which page? I'm on mobile.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-378#post-10339156

 

Your clocks are moving a bit, have you adjusted the monitoring tick rate or is it default (so the same as mine)?

 

Anyone have the hardware ID on the 120Hz screen?

 

I can do if you like in the morning if no one else has it.

 

It'd be nice if some other companies besides Eurocom had that info listed in the specs.

 

Okay, I thought this keyboard was just really awful about ghosting, but after some more testing it seems to only be two keys. If I hold the U or J keys, none of the other letter keys or the windows key work. Literally every other key works with every other key. If I didn't have this exact same issue with my P870DM I would've chalked it up to a keyboard problem. Does everybody else have this exact same behavior?

 

I'd appreciate that.

 

Yeah someone posted about something similar a while back in the P870DM THREAD. Seems like they haven't changed it.

 

I think that may have been me, lol. What the hell though? It can literally mash down my entire keyboard except those two keys and it'll register everything. Who was engineering the layout and thought those would be the keys to make mute everything else?

If someone else could confirm that this is the case, that'd be super helpful.

 

Question: Why does this even matter? I've never, ever needed to do this for anything, on any computer.

 

Does anyone know where to find a teardown video of p870dm2 with single 1080.
Or a review.
Seems all I can find is videos or reviews of dm3.
Reason I ask is I'm interested in the cooling setup of dm2 with single 1080.
Not really much info on dm2 out there that I can find unless I'm just looking in the wrong place.
Thanks.

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The p870dm1 teardown video should suffice. It is pretty similar to the p870dm2.

 

Super fast typing, will cause you to miss letters. In certain games, fast combos might not work. If you assign hot keys in games like - Alt + X and try to pressing something after holding U or J, something might not register.