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I've lost count of the number of times I've typed "but" and "out" and had them come out as out as "bu" and "ou." I also use U and J for hotkeys very often on account of them being right under the index finger in resting position.

 

All core clocks move on this machine. No ones core clocks lock at anything unfortunately.
No changes made to monitoring. Just ran that to do a compare one time.

 

@Prema firmware should fix that for those that are eligible to receive it.

 

I wonder if P775 has the same keyboard problem since it's based on the same barebones.

 

It's not the same barebones, but it is the same keyboard afaik.

 

Sorry, lack of sleep got to me!

Same keyboard barebones XD

Some companies add different languages to it and other bells and whistles

But the mechanism is the same.

I program a huge part of my time, if my keyboard would do that to me, it would be really bad for my work...

 

This is not fixed on desktop 1080's/1070's. They all fluctuate to some degree or lose performance when you start trying to force them at a temp that is too high....

 

@bloodhawk @ajc9988

I have to seriously ask this to those who already have a 4K display with their P870:

The LG panel does develop screen burn in on Gray and on certain shades of white with gray. For example, the address bar in Google Chrome if using a black theme, the white part can and will get burned in the display, thing which is visible on many colors, but especially on gray and shades of gray.

Does the 4K panel express the same behavior? Is it bad? I mean, it would be hard to call if it is worse or not, but if I were to get a laptop with the 4K panel, I would seriously want to avoid this happening to me.

I wish best to all!

 

Clevo makes the worst keyboard in the world: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-makes-the-worst-laptop-keyboard-ever.789740/

 

Quick question please.

I have a flagship Samsung 65" 4K tv which runs at 60hz with a 21ms response time.

Does it make a difference if I connect via HDMI 2.0 or USB/thunderbolt?

Thanks

 

I think we have the same exact TV. I don't think it will make a difference, but I hope someone on here knows for sure. Can't wait to game on it once I get my P870DM3.

 

Me too and it's really starting to anger me unfortunately.

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I would rather buy a BGA ASUS jokebook rather than type for another year on a new Clevo laptop. I hope their brand dies just like Alienware does for giving us these flimsy keyboards that I've had to replace 3 times already and cannot till this date type a single sentence without making errors, this and for screwing us with the upgrades

 

Oh pancakes! (swearing is not allowed in here, is it?)

I wanted to get this one laptop man ;_;

But writing lines of code, and content is half of my life's activity..

Is the keyboard on P670 just as bad, or it's better? ;_;

 

When coding, how many monitors do you use?

Don't you use an external keyboard?

 

No idea but I know that the 15 inch and 17 inch laptops have the same keyboard. Yes Clevo is too busy or lazy to be bothered to make a bigger keyboard for the bigger 17 inch models, the travel between the keys is so little it's very hard to know what your finger is typing even after 6 months of owning this laptop

 

In regards to all the keyboard comments, the keyboard on my p170em also had issues. Had it replaced once and it fixed some of the issues but I would also get some random misses on certain keys. Strangely the issues went away with time and I can type a solid 90+ wpm on my clevo now. It's almost as if the keyboard needs to be worn in, or I've gotten used to typing a certain way. As much as I'd rather get the p870dm3 for all the desktop parts, I've thought about other options specifically because of the keyboard. The mechanical cherry keyboard on the MSIs sound like they'd be nice. I've asked and looked around and don't see too much feedback on them. Can anyone comment on how good they are?

 

I code using just the laptop so far, because I was using a pretty low power laptop. I was going to get a second monitor very soon.

And no, I usually just code from the laptop's keyboard. Simply because the table (desk) I use is not big enough. Or rather, it is, but I also draw, and I need to be at less than 20-15 CM from the display to draw properly, so I just made a position where I have the laptop extremely close to my face and code on it's keyboard using it's display.

I would literally rather use BGA than a bad keyboard, this is almost half of what I do and half of the reason I'm getting a laptop or an upgrade to my laptop... To write. Code and content.

I'm already considering getting something else, but there is literally no other laptop with GTX 1080 or 1070 around (in Romania) and I don't know what to do...

Maybe I'm lucky and I get a good keyboard in my P775, or I get a P670 and they have better keyboards?..

Come on, guys! This is also what most power users use! Keyboards!

 

Some people think it's not a big deal but to me it is as I'm on forums typing most of the time it's a nightmare I hate living with this. BGA, here I come!!

 

I'm undecided on whether to get something else now...

Typing is after all the most important activity I do with a computer. And I do type more than 60% of time using laptopy's keyboard.

How could they have overlooked something so important

 

I do use an external monitor mouse and keyboard mostly. The issue is when you need to do something away from your desk or in a pinch. For play it's really not a big deal but when needing to be serious it shows it's flaws. For argument I try to remember this is a gaming laptop not a development machine, I think everyone can relate to my point.

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Yes, I understand. When I am sitting at a desk I use an external keyboard. That helps keep my keyboard looking new and clean also. I use the integrated keyboard when I have it in my lap or when traveling. I always use mouse and almost never use any touchpad unless it is absolutely unavoidable. My laptops that were 3 or 4 years old always had no signs of use on their touchpad because I hate using them so much.

 

If I use a touchpad I feel like I'm disabled. Can't do anything effectively

 

I had the GT80 2QE. The keyboard was nice. Not too loud but still clicky. The travel was really nice but it was hard to ever get comfortable typing because of the location of the keyboard. The silly MSI wristrest is annoying to keep track of and the paint chips off and makes a mess.

A mechanical keyboard situated in the normal location for a laptop ( but with a bit less travel than a standalone keyboard), would be awesome

 

What's going on here?! From the last couple of pages I've read, it seems like everyone is frustrated with Clevo (well I think a few are making a mountain out of a molehill of their issues). It's a combination of the lingering anger over the last gen DM1-G and the inability to upgrade and quality control problems that affect some of the current DM2/3's.

I think some of you need a new computing challenge; I suggest building something with a raspberry pi 3. While others should skip the current Clevo lineup and investigate a BGA "gaming" notebook (I'll see you back here some time next year). Then there are a select few that are on the fence about buying a Clevo. You know and I know, there really isn't anything out there compared to what Clevo offers. I think those select few need to reinvest in Clevo and show these monsters are truly capable. Yes, they are not perfect but would you as benchers really want it to be that way?

 

You're absolutely right bro. There are no another option... Oh' yes, there is another option, sorry Build a desktop?

 

lol, I mean in DTR form.

 

Preach it, bro. You're absolutely correct.

I take one look at the abysmal alternatives in notebooks and it's totally a no-brainer as far as I am concerned. The P870DM-G was the best high performance laptop I have ever owned in my entire life (and I've had a bunch). Apart from the P870DM-3 with 1080 SLI I would simply have zero interest in notebooks at this point. I find all of the alternatives truly disgusting. I would not buy any notebook at all and the only acceptable option would be desktop PC.

There's no way in hell I would spend money on the worthless BGA garbage for gamer-boys that Clevo's competitors are peddling... that is absolutely not open for consideration... period. I'd rather have nothing than buy trash.

 

Warning: The below voids your warranty.



De-lid complete. I've cleaned it up, applied CLU and I am posting from the machine I'm getting even temperatures here (on the couch running on battery) and the fan is not even tempted to run

 

Nope no issues at all. Beautiful panel. I purchased and installed mine on my own and it doesn't have any back light bleed or dead pixels.
Love this thing of beauty for what it is.

 

Same for me with the GT80 (GT83VR), the front lip is too high, a wrist rest is required for long use for typing.

The GT73VR branch off the Titan series is a slimmer profile, with the keyboard and trackpad in the traditional locations, and it's a mechanical keyboard too - but I haven't used it so I can't attest to whether it's better or not.

You might ask around in the GT73VR threads, guys are starting to get them now:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-msi-gt73vr-series.794968/

 

Awesome! I say to hell with the warranty on the CPU. I doesn't matter at all to me because the delid with CLU made such a massive improvement on the Sky X9 and my own P870DM-G, and a big (less massive) improvement on the 4790K that the decision to delid and apply CLU is a no-brainer for me going forward. This should be a day #1 mod for anyone that wants good temps. Some folks say things like "you shouldn't have to delid" and I personally think that it's downright nuts to not delid, even if you don't overclock.

 

Well... technically a new Desktop would be a "DeskTop Replacement"

 

I say Clevo should discuss a deal with Intel for a delivery of a run or two with no IHS and direct to die heatsink. I'm sure if they worked that out, other laptop manufacturers would follow (although it would cannibalize their mobile/high margin sales).

I'll respond to the rest of this thread after I get to reading the past couple pages...

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So what are the new temps like? I've done this on my Desktop and loved the results. Considering this for laptop as well, especially given the temps people have reported.

 

If his results are consistent with mine, @Papusan, @TBoneSan and a few others we should see somewhere between 15°C and 20°C reduction in overclocked load temps if the CPU heat sink fits correctly. The part that I am not sure about is whether the "Grid" GPU heat sink being in contact with the CPU heat sink helps or hinders CPU thermals compared to the P870DM-G.

 

Or you know, properly solder the CPU die to the heatspreader like the legendary sandy bridge series...


One advantage of the X99 platform over Z-series is that they don't need delid, and no need for a heatsink backplate (I'm lazy)

 

But where else would they get such a convenient reason to void the warranty of anybody serious about overclocking?

 

The two heat sinks are only connected by a thermal pad and maybe a tiny bit of copper to copper contact. If so inclined, you can just remove the pad and maybe add a thermal insulator to make them independent.

 

Will have to explore what works best if/when I end up with one.

 

Temperatures are a little reduced on both cpu and gpu I can run 4.5ghz and maintain solid 1830mhz stock 3.0 turbo max gpu speeds in GTA V with temps around 80c on all chips. Occasional spikes on the cpu but that's it. Usage is around 50-60% on the cpu and max gpu.

 

This is why I hate having the constraint of a single producer of a certain product... Really hate this thing.

They can stop offering upgrades, they can close down, they can screw anyone in any direction they like because there's no competition, we don't have from where to buy them either way.

Performance wise, there's nothing else to have desktop CPU and 1080 yet, but even so, I have a mixed usage, after a day of gaming I need a day of programming and writing, they won't make up for my loss if I can't use their keyboards.......

Eh... Romanian prices and availability translates to me either getting one of these or waiting for Acer predators to march in with the 4K panel option, but I have so much to worry when buying an Acer predator (so... already had an Acer and I don't want to buy from them ever again ;_;. I fear USB failing, I fear display developing ghosting, I fear Optimus, I fear so many things when considering to get an Acer...) that I fear I feel safer with Clevo, but if I can't get my job done with Clevo I'm in a real pinch here...

Thank you for letting me know. Was it complicated to change it, or acceptable? I have seen the photos but can't assess if it's simple enough to change the panel to make it feasible getting the laptop without it. Especially since it would cost me 400$ more to get that panel.........

But aren't the performances of this one considerably lower than it's clevo counteroffering? Also does this come with 4K AUO panel?

You do keep making that to make me want to delid, don't you?

 

I don't know if I'll end up with the DM3, might just go the BGA route since I don't intend to keep the device for more than a year.

 

If you know your way around electronics and tiny components , its easy. And there are a few videos out there to get an idea of how to disassemble the system.

 

Yees bro Fox. To hell with the warranty on Cpu. Rather buy a new one if you miss first time... Worth every dime!!! And same time go to http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-496#post-10342426 and download the new
ThrottleStop 8.20
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September 13, 2016
And dont forget to rep @unclewebb

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-496#post-10342426

 

Why would it perform less? It has the same GPU and a CPU that will keep the GPU busy.

There aren't enough owner reports yet even at stock, let alone tuned reports from single 1070/1080 GT73VR owners.

So far the performance results at stock, temperature, and fan noise reports look good enough to pay attention to their forum - that's why I included the link.

Check out the GentechPC video for the GT73VR on Youtube too.

Plus they have a real keyboard, ask them what they think of it for your needs. I'll go down to Fry's or BestBuy someday and check it out for myself in person.

You do know that the 6820HK, 6700HQ, and 6920HQ are already delidded, right?

 

As far as I am aware the TDP levels are lower meaning the boost will not go as high. One 1070 is not the same as another this time round.

 

I don't think it's enough of a difference to notice in real world use, you may benchmark a few FPS higher, or not, but it won't matter in day to day use.

As I recall the smaller Clevo 980 didn't benchmark any less than the 200w one.

 

You're effort at tuning for temperature and performance is a good example of what most people won't want to do when their laptop comes out of the box.

Are you feeding back the steps you took to fix the temps to Sager so they can make them that way in the first place?