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Checked all information about it I could find and it looks like a worthy consideration against P670, especially since GT73VR seems to also come with 1080.

... and no one sells it to Romania...

Romanian big shops don't bring anything MSI anymore, only asus and acer, and no shop has anything Pascal based so far...

Seems that Clevo is still my only option to get a Pascal based laptop if I want it fast.

And all Romanian shops still produly sell 9XXm laptops as if it's okay to do this. Man. This is horrible. Even more so because I have a feeling we're getting everything that didn't sell in other countries...

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We should do this with all laptops in the world.

Clevo have this novelty about warranty that some resellers offer really bulletproof warranties. I said I'm done with Acer and I really really want to keep things this way. Is there any laptop company that has good warranty?

Better than clevo would be hard to have since some resellers are just that nice when it comes to warranty.

 

Better to do it yourself. Then you know you have a lovely socket variant of an i7. Not everyone knows the difference, LOL
Run a few processor bench and you know what I mean

 

The stock results should be reasonable and certainly better than alternatives

De-lidding is fun but if you want to keep things official with the likes of intel that's a no no.

 

The thrill of delidding music be an exquisite experience. I'm not sure if I would do that since a new CPU is 400-500 $, but must be pretty cool!



And yeah, no shop in this world sells GT73VR to Romania ;_;

I got a bit more interested in it since it's display would actually come in handy. 120 Hz, TN or not, they have better colors than the LG IPS display that's on mostly all the other flagship laptops.

 

I didn't mean the delidding, but if that's what it takes to get reasonable temperatures from the desktop CPU at full load, then it should indeed be a part of the original build.

It would be otherwise impossible for anyone else to get your CPU temps without their laptop also getting a delidded CPU treatment.

I was referring to opening the laptop to get the fit and finish required to arrive at the physical tuning you needed to do to get the CPU and GPU temps you are getting now.

Those steps / tweaks you did to get perfect alignment and fitment for optimal cooling are easier to do in the initial assembly.

That makes much more sense than for each owner to waste so much time on each laptop trying to get it to work as well as you.

It's much better to have your expertise instilled in the original build. You just went through a lot of work that could be duplicated during the build process.

Many owners while dreaming they will do it themselves someday, don't end up getting around to it. They just don't have the free time, or not enough experience doing such things on their own, or maybe not a strong enough desire vs risk aversion to do such in depth work on their own.

Why not do this at Clevo during the build?

 

I like the look of HID warranty, international shipping covered for a bit extra, someone mentioned they will ship the parts and arrange collection if you prefer to swap things out yourself too.

As for the whole gpu upgrade from 980 to 1080 all the resellers I asked said it was due to different power connectors mostly, something that was more to do with nvidia than clevo maybe. It's possible they could have made more effort with making upgrade kits with new cooling kits and power adapters and maybe a new bottom cover but who knows if that was doable. Either way it was frustrating buying one early this year only to find it was never going to be upgradeable, it wiped the resale value off it immediately too, I'm having no luck at all selling it an the UAE. People who know what they're talking about don't want it for the above reasons, people who don't know what they're on about want for 5000 dhs.

 

Do it today, and not tommorow

Spoiler: Delided 6700K and bench temperarature :)

 

They certainly get my feedback

 

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/446527

11543 in timespy

 

Can someone please confirm if there is any difference in using HDMI 2.0 vs USB/thunderbolt on a 4K 60hz TV with 21ms response time?

Thanks

 

Hdmi 2 supports 4k 60, if you only want video and sound then it shouldn't be an issue. Thunderbolt can throw around more stuff but if youre not using that stuff then no need for the extra cost. I think it can even charge macs while it's connected to some monitors.

 

Thanks. So does removing the CPU heat sink also require removing the GPU one and repasting that as well? I've seen the pics that they are somewhat connected, but I don't know which is on top on the overlap.

 

Based on HTWingnut's review, it's GPU over the CPU so the former probably needs a repaste after the latter has been fixed up.

 

I can tell you...there's no way in heck Bestbuy in Canada would have a quality MSI laptop in-store. Probably a GTX 1060 version ( I guess not bad after all) at best.

 

Does anyone make a 4K 120hz GSync desktop monitor yet? 28inch or larger?

My DM3 needs the perfect partner in my office.

 

Thanks Meaker.

I wonder how this tests versus the Chi Mei panel the MSI machines are using.

 

Yes the gpu heatsink must be removed to access the cpu heatsink but that can be left on if you are just working on the gpus.

 

Like Donald said... Kaby Lake chipset Z270 will tentatively be released by Intel in Q1/17

7700K CPUs are coming late this year and we will support 7700K CPU in all of our Z170 based systems

 

Thanks. So within 4 months we will have the new chipset in Clevo models. And Yes, I know 7700K fit in the older chipset. Not the big gain but maybe 7700K can bench whatsoever you want with 5.1-5.2 GHz Then I will say it's worth every penny spent

 

I'm really intrigued by Z270. I wonder if it will have any advantage over Z170?

Also, we should really start asking if Clevo will sell only the motherboard! I may want to upgrade the motherboard to fit the new chipset, and if they do, it would make our day much better!



In another order of thoughts, I can only get P870 P775 and P670 with Pascal... No Asus, no Acer, no nothing else in Romania so far. I think I'll just go with P775, and hope for the best with the keyboard and all. The seller told me the keyboard is actually good for laptopy, maybe there are different variations.

 

I actually like the keyboard except for the ghosting issue. But get ready for Clevo to move a USB port a few cm or something stupid.

 

The longer I wait and the more I see, the less likely I am to have a continued interest in notebooks. With literally everything except for Clevo's best offerings being a filthy emasculated BGA turdbook covered with feces and the possibility that Clevo will continue doing extremely stupid stuff to make simple upgrades unnecessarily complicated or impossible, the more pissed off I get, and the more I think becoming a raging desktop elitist laptop-hating troll like the rest of them at overclock.net seems like a really fantastic idea. All of the love and effort that @D2 Ultima has put into developing material to enhace the intelligence of ignorant people is on the verge of becoming irrelevant because you can count on one hand, with leftover digits, the number of new notebooks (all Clevos) that are actually worth a damn. Everything else is pure ridiculous garbage that simply isn't worthy of any consideration.

 

Max fans?

Also, max fans?

 

If it wasn't for my job I'd agree with you, Im one of probably few who legitimately "need" a DTR, I'm constantly flying around and away from home, a desktop would just rot away back home. I've gotten by with Asus rog over the last couple of years till I discovered clevo. It did the job till I wanted to upgrade and i soon realised how much gaming laptops are a rip-off. I bought the 870DM-G 980 desktop thinking it would be 4 or 5 years of upgrading till the next replacement, once again disappointed. Basically clevo needs to listen to its buyers, if they don't make and keep it possible to upgrade the same way you can with a desktop then they can't be called a DTR, theyre no better than the consumer crap, they will lose customers that are giving them a second chance. They must realise that the resale value of a non upgradeable DTR drops like a bomb as soon as people realise the pointlessness of it.

 

Yes max fans to reduce variables.

 

Oh. That's rather warm. If I made you turn on a stream the 6700K would burn up. Did you use CLU between the heatsink and IHS? Or simply in the delid? Was the aluminum on?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-makes-the-worst-laptop-keyboard-ever.789740/

 

The keyboard isn't a problem for me, and even if it was it would never be enough to get me to consider buying a BGA turdbook. Screen... keyboard... more or less nothing I can identify would get me to lower my standards that far. BGA filth is, and will always be, unacceptable in something that is a so-called high performance or "gaming" notebook. You can spray paint it another color, use Febreze to mask the odor and put candy sprinkles on top of it and a pile of feces will forever be feces.

 

I hear you and I'm not happy about it, but we all all trapped in a corner now with only one option, Clevo or BGA. Very sad. As we move in time, things are getting worse by the day rather than improving and giving us more freedom/options/fun

 

With new GPU memory technologies you do tend to get a shift, things will likely settle down when HBM is introduced as that looks set to last for some time. For now I would expect things to be up in the air a bit.

 

Are we sure HBM is going to be the next thing for consumer cards? GDDR5X seems to be the cost efficient method and GDDR6 I've heard is being made.

Also, did you see my last question?

 

I used liquid ultra yes, the GPUs got a bit cooler if anything but it is very warm at the moment here and I have no AC.

 

I'm trying to figure out if I can realistically expect with one of these machines (using CLU, or Conductonaut) that I can hold stock-to-slight-overclocks for 24/7 usage on the GPUs, and 4.5GHz minimum on the CPU, at whatever load I decide to toss at it, without basically sitting at 90c+ for hours at a time.

I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get one (I clearly wasn't able to get the original gen) but it's why I'm rather hungry for information.

Mind if I ask you try with Evolve Stage 2? It's the hottest full-system load in a game I've come across (at least on my Kepler/haswell system).

 

I'm waiting for the new Acer Predator X34P ... <--- "P"

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/monitors/acer-predator-x34p-100hz-curved-ultrawide-ips-wqhd-g-sync/

There are some YouTube overviews as well...comes clocked at 100Hz out of the box, which means that in my theory that these are the good binned displays.

::iunlock::

 

Note the heaven tests were done before I performed the delid. Plus the temps are not bad for stabilising at higher clocks than the founders stock desktop cards I think

 

Indeed... we are at a crossroads. Anyone not content with what Clevo has to offer will have to decide whether to compromise everything they have held dear in the past and stoop to buying a pathetic castrated turdbook; or, just say to hell with the whole mess, get a cheap/crappy little throwaway like a sub-$500 Inspiron and go back to desktops. Otherwise, the only available option is to suck it up and live with a keyboard they are not fond of.

If you're not able to live with the keyboard then you're going to have to decide to compromise, lower the bar and live with BGA filth or toss the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm still happy enough with Clevo that I'm willing to give them another shot with the DM3. I am pretty confident I will be very happy with a DM3, as I was 100% tickled with the DM-G, including the keyboard. If Clevo changes GPU designs again and the DM3 ends up not being upgradable at the next GPU refresh it will be officially over for me. Their goose will have been cooked and there will be no opportunity for redemption or forgiveness for them. And, there will be no more room notebooks (other than the crappy disposable sub-$500 options) in my life going forward. I came very close to this already, but I hate being tethered to a desk badly enough that I'm willing to give it a go. Going BGA is tantamount to blasphemy as far as I am concerned... an unpardonable sin in my book.

 

I was going by your GTA V test, where you said ~80c for both GPUs and the CPU at 4.5GHz, with a delid for CLU + CLU applied between IHS & Heatsink, using max fans, getting ~60% CPU usage.

 

Fair enough on that though those GPU clocks are still pretty epic considering.

Now if anyone wants to do similar tests to me and do before and after testing with relevant screenshots of temperatures/loads before and after I am more than happy to filter results and pass them along

My own results are one thing but if I can get a nice set then things might get interesting.

 

http://www.performance-pcs.com/brand--thermal-grizzly/?p=1

Here is a link to the thermal pads I used.

Here is a diagram of the pads:



Use the same thermal paste between tests (so repaste first then repad and paste) and try and find a nice consistent load and test over a 30 minute period.

Since there is only a single 1.5mm pad to use then either stack 0.5mm and 1mm or get a small 1.5mm pad for those.

A single 10cm*10cm of 0.5mm and 1mm left plenty over for me.

You will need to do both GPUs at the same time.

 

when the AW17 1080 come out on amazon just buy, test, and return


by then you guys can give a honest opinion on whether they suck or not











atm the clevo is like

"we effed a $5K machine by using cheap thermal pads"

 

Why did you quote me? O_O

LOL. It's probably true honestly.

 

Why be a GUINEA PIG for something you hate? The answer is already given ↑↑↑!!!

 

oops

try the alienware before you declare it sucks

the 15R2 and 17R3 has an unlocked power limit for the 6820HK

I'm eager to see how far I can take the 6820HK on the 15R3 and 17R4


Remember, it's not a crippled chip, the only limitation of the 6820HK is the bad binning

 

Funnily enough the problem there was that they couldn't use 330W bricks xD.

If they can take 330W bricks that might be interesting to see.

In the case of Papusan and Mr. Fox, they don't care. If it's not socketed it's trash to them.

 

Did they ruin the machine? No, you just have to use a generous paste job and it will perform just fine at stock.

There is not a machine out there that I have not been able to tweak in some way, this is about making something already awesome even better.

 

A wise man doesn't repeat the mistake that his friend did.

Did you forget how I sold my 9K origin PCI-E behemoth which dual 980 Ti in SLI and a 5930K @ 4.5 GHZ on all 6 cores?

After having it for a month I got tired of the cables, many power connectors, and the fact that i am tied to my desk should an occasion arise that I wanna take my computer with me. Let alone there was no room for me to do anything even on my huge desk with that 27 inch screen and mechanical keyboard, oh and don't forget the speakers and subwoofer and if you have a printer it's like you're in prison with the amount of space you got left.

Finally, it won't be fun to compete with your friends here at NBD in the overclocker's lounge because you are on a whole new competition level.

Ok I'll buy a P870DM3 as what I just typed for you kind of showed me there is no other choice other than maybe if we get more details on the Acer Predator

 

I honestly don't get how any desktop with 980 Tis and a 5930K totalled 9K. What on earth did you get on it, solid gold heat sinks?

 

Very easy: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/my-origin-pc-millenium-review.779178/

 

The 330w problem is probably just iunlock being OCD

The clock on the machine changed by 1mhz or something, not an issue to me anyways...

He live in Dubai, don't expect less than a solid gold case.

But to be fair though, you buy $5K machine, everything has to come perfect. Especially if it's a trivial / cheap matter such as the thermal pad.

 

Well if you want to OC the CPU to any great degree with a decently power-drinking GPU, a 240W brick isn't really enough for stressing both.

Huh?

To be frank, I agree with this in the case of thermal pads. The paste used and all, I'll leave that up to OEMs/etc.