*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

Yea that was some strange stuff when using the 330W PSU. Did a lot of strange things with funky read outs.

I just can't wrap my head around why they would skimp out on using some decent thermal pads when they know that they are already in the hole with Pascal being a heat monster. Common sense anyone? Or is this the typical cheap greed methodology to save a few bucks?

Either way, it is inexcusable and for anyone to try to put an excuse to it should be in question as well lol...it's just silly for a machine that cost 5K.

I agree as it would be ignorant and unreasonable to judge something without actually test driving it. There have been many cars that I absolutely thought would be rubbish on the track that changed my views once I got behind the wheel. We owe it to ourselves to experience it first or any empty judgement would be no better than a typical fanboy which can go either way.

The pain, frustration and extreme dislike toward AW and alike is understandable, but you have to wonder if one is perhaps in the hole so deep with hatred that it would be wise for one to get out of that first before any judgement made would be deemed credible? What would it take for one to crawl out of it?

Yes, to those who were burned, bga sucks blah blah blah, I get it, but with the new machines, unless they are tested first to give an honest opinion based on performance and not predetermined hatred, one may very well be missing out on what could be a start to help get them out of the dark black hole that they are falling deeper into as the days pass; all the while with more and more potential options popping up all around them that could suit the needs of everything a DTR could, less CPU benching, which has ZERO usability or practicality to real world performance.

What makes it worse is that Clevo themselves has screwed the enthusiasts over so that's a double whammy right there. It's sad to see the consumers who care about LGA/MXM being cornered to be left with only a few choices. When the battalion that you're with shoots you in the back as well on top of enemy fire, then that's some deep physiological chaos right there.

So is the absolute disgust and hate understood? Of course, but that that doesn't mean that other machines that are being released with Pascal and 6820HK is a turd book, when in reality it can run right along side our DTR's with a 6700K/Pascal in almost everything less CPU benches, which realistically doesn't mean anything to real life productivity.

It would be wise to test drive one as you would with any car that you buy to see if it is worthy or not. However, I'm afraid that the depth of pain that one holds is too deep to be able to see the new machines for what they are and to not be able to judge them with neutrality, which would defeat the purpose to begin with. So in this case it's a lost cause either way.

Clevo --shooting--> Enthusiasts <--progressing-- Pascal/6820HK/bga's

Not a pretty scenario for lga/mxm lovers being fired from both ends. It's understandable.

Anyhow, great pic showing the thermal pad sizes @Meaker@Sager! I hope that brings positive results to the heat issues to provide more cooling potential. Perhaps this would allow for use of other thermal pastes beside ICD? How about some liquid metal action now once the gaps get tamed with proper thermal pad sizes

Read above.

 

Let me reiterate something for clarity. I never said I wanted to go back to desktops. In fact, I've said the opposite. To be clear, I will go back to desktops before I accept a dystopian way of life with BGA turdbooks. I already have my office full of crap for work, so the space a desktop would occupy would be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. My preference is to stay with notebooks, but only on my own terms. I am not open or receptive to compromise. If I can't have what I want the way I want it, then I don't want anything. I would have to assume the role of a delusional consumer to embrace BGA filth in what most OEMs are deceptively touting as high performance notebooks.

While we agree on many things, Brother @Mobius 1 I am going to have to disagree on that, just a little bit. It should be perfect, or pretty close to it, but I will not go as far as to say has to be. In fact, this has never been the case with any system sold by any manufacturer, including the high end notebooks that Alienware used to offer. What truly matters is having an excellent foundation to work with. You can fix crappy thermal pads and lousy paste. It sucks to sometimes have to get defective Clevo heat sinks replaced under warranty, too. If you inherit someone else's junk, it sucks even worse to have to pay for it out of your own pocket. (Yes, I've had to do that twice, unfortunately.) However, BGA CPU and GPU(s) in something misrepresented as "high performance" is an irreversible death sentence... the bane of any enthusiast's existence.

 

Holy moly.. $9k
You need this TV then.
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN88JS9500-Curved-88-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00UGGV4DA

Just curious. Why did you buy that as opposed to building that desktop?
For much less you could have built a better system for much less.

 

Where did people get the idea the original pads are bad quality?

No the thermal pads are a little too thick, they usually are because it means at least everything will make contact no matter who builds it.

 

It seems there is a great deal of hysteria over thermal issues with Pascal mobile graphics. There is always some of this silliness that surrounds every GPU refresh, but I have never seen as much irrational distress about thermals as what we are seeing now. Perhaps this is a reflection of a rapidly growing interest in gaming notebooks that has given place to the fact that our niche has become dominated by noobs; and, further exacerbated by the fact that there is a very limited sample of examples available that breeds wild assumptions. We already know that thermal limits have been raised to much higher thresholds. To some extent this is a natural and expected result of dramatically higher core clock speeds alone. I am expecting 90°C will likely become the accepted normal operating temperature as thin and light BGA Pascal notebooks become more common.

 

This is the Phoenix Pascal thread​

I put forth a motion that there be a gentlemen's agreement to ban all talk of going Alienware, all talk of going 6820, all talk of a having a BGA Pride Parade pretend or real inside of these four hallowed walls as strictly verboten ...

if one or more of you has fallen for the hot pink Alien advertising - & it appealed to or called out to the BGA Sexual within - please come out of the closet somewhere else, anywhere else but here

 

Considering it's even more tdp out of a smaller silicon, heat is a valid concern.

Even the desktop founders edition will throttle down during long gameplay sessions. Of course, faster fanspeed helps, but most people won't even bother doing that.

 

LOL... while turnabout is certainly fair play, we should avoid stooping to the same level that the whiners have. Censoring always sucks. My goal is to persuade as many as possible to wake up and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. If we can change the minds of 10 to 20% of them and convince them to reject BGA filth it will make a nice dent in the turdbook peddler's coffers. We need to interact with them to effect the kind of change we want to see. We won't win the war for the hearts, minds and intelligence of brainwashed BGA gamers without frequent and repetitive exposure to truth and excellence. Those that are not already beyond redemption can be reprogrammed.

Remember, the Green Goblin's firmware cancer has been around since Fermi. NVIDIA's crap is always junk with stock firmware. I don't think it's realistic to expect Pascal to be anything but worse (the trend) until our heroes like @Prema step in and cure the GeForce cancer.

 

Turbo 3.0 is working the way its supposed to, people just don't understand how it's supposed to work.

 

How are the viewing angles on the 120Hz display? Much color shifting?

 

The massive temperature throttling part? Its probably a hardware thing....

 

It shouldn't be there imo, let the end users control everything if you're selling a truly premium product...

Maybe it makes sense in laptops that have weaker cooling and as such, can reach high enough temperature that the only way to get stability is to throttle it down.

 

I agree with you in a way but as I said, its probably due to pascal's clock being too sensitive to temperature.

 

6820BGA it's not a crippled chip? Badly binned processor and locked fully to the motherboard!!! Not acceptable... If you are lucky in the Silicon lottery(can manage +-4.3 GHz or in this range) and your motherboard needs to be replaced... You're screwed bro!! Very screwed... And you say this is acceptable and not sucks? What if you are unlucky in the silicon lottery and want a better chips? You are still screwed bro!!

 

I honestly dont see it being unacceptable for 1070 and possibly 1080 based gaming systems that used for pure gaming purposes if it can reliably clock and hold 4ghz.

 

In terms of functionality, no, it's not gimped UNLESS the manufacturer chooses to do so.

ASUS for example, hard locked the BIOS to 75w indefinite power consumption. Johnkss was able to unlock it on his sample to 91w without throttling.

But even then, running 4.1GHz with a decent undervolt after repaste makes the 6820HK quite a capable chip. With an unlocked power limit you definitely can run a higher overclock, but considering the cooling system of the ASUS (GPU dumps heat on CPU, thin 2-pipe heatsink with aluminum fins, and the mounting of the heatpipe*), you're realistically not going to run 4.1+GHz on a daily basis.

The Alienwares aren't gimped, iunlock + stanley proofed that the BIOS power limit override DOES work on the 6820HK. Unlike the ASUS.



I know that being literally bottom of the bin in terms of lottery results suck. But honestly, if you're not benching, you're not going to realize the difference.

A 6700K is definitely superior in terms of overclock and potential (due to better binning) compared to the 6820HK, but they are not for the average user (which is 98% of the marketshare).

The money, effort, and risk spent in buying delid/relid kids, liquid metal, and chance of voiding warranty in order to unleash their full performance in the laptop doesn't sound so great to the average user.

Definitely you, me, the enthusiasts, have no problem doing this. But our numbers can be counted literally by fingers.

Now if they made the 6700K not needing a delid, it might bring back some of our members to the LGA/Z170 side, but I don't think that will happen. Intel has been dropping the ball since Ivy desktop days and I don't realistically see any reason to why they should use a more expensive method of manufacturing (soldering the IHS to the die) compared to just using regular cheap thermal paste.



The 6820HK isn't a bad CPU. It's a capable chip, yes. Though it's not able to compete in overclocking with the superior 6700K.






I said this over and over again and I'll say it again.

DON'T PAY DTR PRICES FOR BGA MACHINES.

Unless you find yourself a very nice deal on a similarly specced BGA laptop, don't buy that over the LGA/MXM offerings from Clevo/Sager.


On a sidenote, I wrote that entire post from the Surface Book's keyboard. Probably the best keyboard I've ever used on a laptop... Anyone got some good deals on refurbished Surface Books with massive discounts? :s

 

I'm with you there in wanting to stay with notebooks due to the very reasons you've stated. (Along with my frequent traveling 1-2 times a month.)

As for what you've said about, " If I can't have what I want, the way I want, then I don't want anything." - The reality of this is that in one way or another you'll have to resort to something. It would be delusional to think otherwise. So either you can build a desktop and deal with the real estate and cords or to stay with your DTR, which will be outdated again in the near future. Then the only choice for you will become a desktop, whereas staying with the DTR that you currently have would be categorized in the same class as the bga filth that you commonly refer to. Unable to upgrade a LGA/MXM is no different than not being able to upgrade a bga.

Although you did mention this before so it is in contrary to what you've said about, "I never said I wanted to go back to desktops. In fact, I've said the opposite."

"...I may sell it and use the money to build a desktop."



I understand how strongly you feel about the industry and where it's headed, but to make bold statements like, " To be clear, I will go back to desktops before I accept a dystopian way of life with BGA turdbooks," would very well one day come to bite the ankles (and more) if DTR's fade into becoming extinct. - Therefore, I highly doubt that you'd be left with much options with sticking to, " If I can't have what I want, the way I want, then I don't want anything."

All the while there could be other options that could realistically suit the needs of even the power user, like we're seeing now with Pascal, but obviously it'll fall short to cater to your benching hobby, which in that case a desktop it is... Perhaps that Custom Desktop in a Suitcase w/ a closed loop cooler that I had joked about before is coming to fruition? The only thing you'd need to buy are multiple monitors for the different destinations or maybe a nice projector?

"I would have to assume the role of a delusional consumer to embrace BGA filth in what most OEMs are touting as high performance notebooks." -

Again, I see your point, trust me and so does many others who are disgusted with solder fever, however, I'm curious to know what you think about the fact that now a GTX1080/6820HK can walk toe to toe with a GTX1080/6700K in almost everything (realistic / real world usage), less CPU bench marking? Honest question. -

If out of 100 categories the bga machine checks out on 99 of the boxes, minus CPU benching, does that really make it as bad as your making it out to be? - The answer is obviously no and that it's clear that what is fueling your hatred is from the realization that the game has changed significantly with Pascal. I know it's a hard pill to swallow. But instead of focusing your fire at just bga's, perhaps it would be logical to also fire at Clevo for screwing people over like they have.

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"It should be perfect, or pretty close to it, but I will not go as far as to say has to be." -

It's possible that you may have missed the point being made here. When one pays $5K for a machine, there are no excuses for the points being mentioned. Zero. How can you defend poor engineering with even messing up the small, yet big things such as the thermal pad thicknesses? Seriously. Also, who releases a machine knowing that it's going to hit 90C to 100C on the GPU and CPU? Seriously. $5k? No..Nien...absolutely not acceptable. Because....Not everyone purchasing these machines want to repaste and fiddle with it to get it working within normal temps. Yea yea I know...trust me...for guys like you, me and many others, we want the challenge and to be able to add our own touch to make it our own. I get it. But still at $5K, there is no justifying anything, but to say nothing more than..."Shame on Clevo for poor quality control."

"BGA CPU and GPU(s) in something misrepresented as "high performance" is an irreversible death sentence... the bane of any enthusiast's existence." -

In the past yes. Absolutely. But with Pascal and respectable mobile chips such as the 6820HK, we'll all see shortly that it is more than worthy to be called, "high performance." We can revisit this as the Pascal 1080's roll out on the gaming laptops...it's already predictable from seeing what the 1060's and 1070's are pumping out, which walk circles around a 980....just saying...

At any rate, Long Live LGA/MXM...

 

To be fair, just because a chip is soldered on to a mobo doesn't meant that the chip is crippled. Silicon lottery? Of course as it exists all across the board regardless of form factor. But a non upgradable mobo is just as bad as a bga mobo. The only difference is time, before the hardware itself becomes obsolete, which in that case both lga and bga will have to upgrade.

DON'T PAY DTR PRICES FOR BGA MACHINES.

 

I expect a modern unlocked Intel 4 core i7 in the year 2016/17 can do much more than this ↓↓↓ !! BGA i7 is a big failure!! http://hwbot.org/submission/3176127_alexy_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6820hk_10.21_points

 

How does benchmarking relate to real world usage, when the results show more than enough to handle all common tasks?

Benchmarking is one thing. A sport.

But real world usage is another...

You're trying to group them into one category which is not correct.

::iunlock::

 

EVGA SC17 is not ideal in this situation. The chassis is very slim and cooling potential is not that great.

If you have unlocked power limit and a good enough cooling system, I don't doubt for a second that a 6820HK can clock 4.4GHz given if the person behind the wheel is competent enough.


And as many have said, the CPU performance of a 6820HK is not far behind a 6700K (due to the higher overclock potential of the 6700K). Single/multithread performance, clock per clock, is identical.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...060-Laptop-Benchmarks-and-Specs.169547.0.html
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10066996/fs/8490250/fs/10155037

Edit. @Mobius 1

 

We agree on a number of points, but there is an overtly anti-BGA agenda that has caused me to reconsider my position on going with a DM3 versus going back to desktop that I am not at liberty to disclose at this time. But, I definitely I meant what I said at the time I said it, and still do. I still have mixed feelings about not going back to desktops and I am still pissed at NVIDIA, Clevo and MSI for castrating MXM with a fragmented and bastardized proprietary rat's nest of incompatible and inconsistent form factors. I do want to contribute to the success of the only remaining high performance notebook model that I would consider purchasing.

When DTRs with socketed unlocketed desktop CPUs and MXM slots are no longer available, my interest in notebooks for any purpose other than low cost basic office productivity applications, email and web browsing will cease to exist.

I think many of the more tolerant folks such as yourself underestimate the depth of my contempt for BGA filth. I view it as one symptom of the many things that are wrong with the sickening world that we live it. It doesn't rise quite to the level of deeply held religious convictions, but it's not very far behind that. I look at the proliferation of BGA garbage by brain-dead OEMs as being the diabolical actions of sworn enemies whose total annihilation would delight me to no end. I have no interest in seeing notebook gaming remain successful to the exclusion of sockets and slots. I'd be totally content to see notebook gaming as an industry collapse completely if BGA is the dismal future that awaits us.

I support BGA for very inexpensive ghetto devices exclusively and I will not contribute financially to the delinquency of OEMs peddling BGA gamer filthbooks. I have minimal interest in portable gaming notebooks because gaming is comparative low on my list of priorities. I like gaming, but not nearly as much as overclocking benching and I have no need for gaming on the go. My interest in DTR beastbooks has been driven by my desire for overclocked benching on the road, not so much about playing games on business trips. In addition to my contempt for BGA trash, gamer-boy products are also functionally incapable of providing me with a satisfying ownership experience as an overclocker, so the whole concept of having one offers me absolutely nothing of value. In other words, even if I did not loathe them, I would have no legitimate reason whatsoever to purchase one.

 

Papusan, hold up a bit here.

You're not making any sense whatsoever.

We said these things:
- 6820HK is fully unlocked.
- 6820HK is badly binned (needs more voltage to achieve higher clocks).
- 6820HK is most often limited by ODMs. Either in its cooling system, how much power draw the OEM allows it (like how ASUS locks to 75W max; this isn't a chip limitation), or how much voltage the motherboard gives it.

You're posting the point that there's a lack of HWBOT submissions at high speeds for benchmarks. But this is not directly the fault of the 6820HK. If you took say, and AW17 R3, removed the back, attached an AIO cooling system to the CPU specifically (like a Kraken X61 or something, let's say), and proceeded to clock it to about 4.8GHz at 1.5v and have it pull 200W in a benchmark, it'd likely work.

On the same page, look at the people with problems with the P775DM3, where its CPU and GPU sucks. You can't run superb OCs in there for benching... by your current logic, you should be complaining about the 6700K.

I'm not saying we should all go out and buy everything BGA. But I am saying your arguement doesn't make much sense to myself, iunlock, or mobius, where you're saying that the chip is not physically capable of the performance you want.

 

Sooner or later, I'm going to need that extra CPU performance. Having enough CPU power today doesn't leave me with any overhead for tomorrow. Gimme.

Also what happens if something dies on a BGA machine out of warranty? This is something I see continually overlooked in these discussions. If one goes BGA they either have to pay ludicrously expensive OEM protection money for year on year, or be prepared to can their expensive machine if something fails.

To be clear I think BGA has a place in slim cheap systems under $1000.
What's on offer is expensive welded down machines at modular prices.
I see alot of people saying it's 'cheaper to produce blah blah blah' without yet seeing so much as a cent passed down the pyramid.

I realize some of you have identified this phenomenon, but this isn't by accident.
How do you boil a frog? You don't throw it in hot water - it will jump out. You heat it up slowly until it slowly cooks.
BGA in a enthusiast machine hasn't come about to make our lives more convenient and affordable. It's not here to serve the consumer in the serious products. We're being forced to accept less for the same price. Wake up!! (not you personally)

It has it's purpose and simply doesn't belong in a performance machine.
Fancy welding in an engine to the engine mounts in a race car? not an option.

 

I see a lot of fear mongering going on in this thread. I know....I know the future of Clevo and basically the future of the DTR LGA/MXM segments are up in the air. Uncertainty breeds fear. Fear breeds irrational and rash decisions. The elephant in the room is that technology will always become obsolete. No matter what computing category you choose, whether it is a desktop, DTR, gaming laptop and etc, it will become yesterday's news.

I get it, as an enthusiast, you want to be on the cutting edge of technology trends. Unfortunately, unless you are bankrolled by a massive corporation or you're extremely wealthy, you won't have the funds to stay even with technology. Fortunately, your DTR's are still beyond the majority of the gaming laptops and even desktops currently available. A DM3 will smash most for the next two years at the very least. Volta won't be out until next September and even then it will likely only be an improved Pascal. Nvidia's 10nm node won't be ready by this time next year. So you can count on an upgrade on a single GPU generation.

 

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The 6820HK will limit itself from destruction if you try to run absurd voltages. i'm confident to say that 1.5v will directly throttle chip down to 800mhz.

 

Great example of why I view it as an utterly worthless piece of trash... just like the tits on a boar. It is functionally incapable of performing the tasks that I would require of it.

Offering me a BGA turd CPU is a lot like offering a Toyota Tacoma pickup to someone in the sand and gravel hauling business instead of a dump truck.

 

I'm pretty sure I would have struggled to get the performance I want from a 6820BGA whether I put on 1.500v and had better cooling. I guess not even properly love from @Prema would help. I expect results with an unlocked i7... Whether it is BGA or LGA. I have not seen a single good result from this abuse figment of a so-called unlocked i7 BGA...

 

Well 1.45v has been seen... *shrugs*. Oh well.

And what's the basis for this judgement?

Listen. I'm all for the train of good quality, modular products, and not paying $2500+ for BGA systems. I'm not fighting you down on this. But I want the basis for your statements here. What is preventing the chip from clocking beyond say 4.2GHz if you shoved very good cooling on it? You're using HWBOT as reference, but if all the people who know what they're doing in benchmarks all buy the socketed laptops, exactly who is going to push a 6820HK as high as you want to see it? I'm talking about the capability of the chip, rather than the housing it is in (its potential limitations). For example, as far as cooling goes, the GT73VR's CPU cooling is about as good as the P870DM's, from what I've seen. If that machine has unlocked voltage and TDP draw set for its 6820HK, I'm sure you could at least bench it at 4.6GHz, with some conductonaut and max fanspeeds. Hell, with an A/C vent blasting at the heatsinks, you might be able to go further to the limit of the voltage the chip needs. Get somebody competent with one of those machines to try it for you? I certainly cannot. Maybe @Mobius 1 will try it, since he likes to try laptops and then return.

 

There are many of us who had (or has) the 6820HK that ran stability tests to prove the 6820HK worthy and as you've stated @D2 Ultima, if we had ripped the bottom off and attached a close looped cooler on it, I don't doubt for one bit that the 6820HK would have been able to pull some respectable numbers. Like you've mentioned, it's not the chip....for the most part. The silicon lottery still exists, but that also applies to 6700K's.

Very good point. To answer that, IMO a BGA laptop is only worth owning if it has a good warranty attached to it. I personally will not own a bga laptop without a warranty.

That's like jumping out of a plane with a parachute packed by someone that took a 30 minute course on packing a parachute. That's not a gamble I'm willing to go up against, only because I don't keep things at stock and I run the heck out of these machines...yes even OC'ing bga's lol...in respect to the sport of running things to the max and not falling for stock anything.

To be fair, a bga laptop with a warranty is pretty much worry free, therefore, for those that don't keep laptops for more than a year like myself and many others, owning a bga laptop with a solid warranty does not make me think twice of the, "what if's..."

Now for those who are planning to keep their laptops for 3-4+ years, then of course a DTR is a no brainer. Especially with the power of Pascal and the longevity that it brings over the short duration the previous chips have brought. It's definitely a new era....

Well said. It's true the DM3 will smash what's in its path for the next few years no doubt.

Again..Pascal...Pascal...times have changed.

That's very true in your case and with your usage (benching), however, the 6820HK OC'ed to its max is more than capable of fulfilling any normal to extreme gaming tasks.

The thing to realize here is that not everything has to be living at full wide open throttle for it to be considered a worthy chip. However, I do see where you're coming from....really do.

For example: In the smart phone world, we are outraged with OEM's locking the bootloader which is preventing us enthusiasts from modifying it to run our own ROM's and such. It's complete madness. So yes in that regard, I do truly understand your frustration.

When's the last time a game maxed out a CPU at 100% the entire time the game is being played? Most of the common titles barely tax the CPU so even a truly crippled chip like the 6700HQ (complete joke) is more than enough to handle almost everything, aside to benching.

Great analogy btw LOL...Toyota Tacoma...Classic.

 

Try Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, or Black Ops 3 with a 120fps limiter. CPU bottlenecks for days. 6700HQs cry themselves to sleep.

 

Just out of curiosity. It's it pegging out at 90%+ or just goofing at 60% because it's a shoddy port?

 

Haven't played Deus Ex yet, but yea a 6700HQ would cry. I'm more so referring to the 6820HK as it would be able handle it just fine. I've ran OCCT for 2 hours straight with the temps holding extremely stable in the mid 60's.

 

Here's a 4.5GHz i5-2500K pegged full at 100% flat getting only 38.2fps

 

Ouch. Poor CPU LOL...

 

see for temperature

 

What is your ambient temp? Which fan profile are you using?

 

I'll have a laptop at home until Monday
The equipment was tested before shipment for me at CEGHardcoreCustom
The tests were on the profile automatic
Ambient temperature quite warm current heat wave in Europe 25-28 Celsjusza
The back of the laptop slightly lifted

 

Even if they did in fact use automatic fans (I get these temps as well for a short benchmark) the laptop will aim for a temp of ~90 degrees on the gpus beforce adjusting the fans.

 

My fans kick in at high speed well before 90.

 

Mh, weird... I am using the latest CCC but I do have the DM2 (single 1080) model. Something about my EC seems off then.

 

So guys, i was not able to check the forum in last couple of days and came here to find 20 new pages. I have skimed through these quickly and i can see not much has happened expect, Meaker deliding his CPU, Mr.Fox still moping around with his love/hate relationship with clevo (like batman after bane broke his back ) and Pheonix considering BGA laptop.

Did I miss anything else?

 

Just that it was not a short time.
It was a loop 10 x Fire Strike Ultra

 

LOL!! @PrimeTimeAction - I think that's a pretty good summary. @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER has been very quiet, but I think he's been spending a lot of time in the MSI SLI forum.


[Edit]Oh, BTW, I thought I saw where some new LCD options may be available in the next 4 to 8 weeks for the 17" P*DM2/P*DM3 models. [/Edit]

 

I do not get this problem with my AUO 4K panel.

I recommend using the HDMI 2.0 port for this so that you get proper 4K @ 60hz @ 4:4:4 chroma.

BTW which model do you have? I'm looking to sell my JU6700 40" and go for the new KS8500 55" or 65" for my desktop.

 

Yes I also got the fastest timespy score in the world for a notebook.

 

You mean better TimeSpy score than the one from bro @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER ? http://www.3dmark.com/spy/381288

 

It will be nice to know the temp's on the CPU and GPU's to get that score and some details about the OC clock speeds for both as well.
Best Regards.