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my mistake, there's no upgrade option with the gt83/73 it seems. but from MSi's cooling solution on their promotional video it uses standard mxm 3.0b (or close to 3.0b) heatsink shape.

but some gt72 sold with 9xx also have promise of 2 gen upgrade, so that's weird

 

You could probably get ~57-63watts at 3.6ghz with a lot of undervolting if possible if volts are 1.00v-1.05v

 

Watt's is watts man, it's gonna P'throttle if'n ya hit higher than 45.00w on the "clock" for longer than N long seconds.

 

This is with hk cpu?

Have you tried to use svet unlock bios? The hk should have unlock power limit and turbo time limit

 

Both the 6820HK and 6920HQ are "unlocked", not sure if the 6920HQ gets the same BIOS treatment in the stock MSI bios.

Thought about getting Svet BIOS and vBIOS, but temps for CPU are already too high in the GT80/GT80S - fixed in GT83 with new heatsink and dedicated fan (and heat exchanger?).

Definitely something to try in the GT83 as soon as Svet makes a BIOS for it.

 

6920hq, not hk

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah, that's not what I said. I said after I updated a few things that I was able to run my over clock. Remember, this was hard modded so that may or may not have anything to do with anything as well....

Edit: For everyone
Side note:
But now we are going to find out.
All those with 980M's. Go download driver 368.69.
Install it
Get your favorite gpu over clock software.
Only over clock memory. Hit +700 on memory and click apply.
If you are still in windows...Then your golden. If not, then the hard mod works. And you may need to drop to +600

No questions until you go and try it first.

 

^ why does your GPU-Z screenshots say 3.6472 and 368.69 at the same time? Shouldn't they show 3.6869?

 

Speaking of 880M... here's a new 880M SLI Fire Strike world record with the memory overclocked +700. Waiting for 3DMark to add the hardware ID to their database so the GPUs are recognized and the score will be validated. I cannot hold clock speeds on core 100% because the Tech|Inferno vBIOS power limit maxes out at 160 (runs out of watts at 160) and it needs to go beyond 200 (780M was the same in that regard). I cannot get 1200 on core because 1.150V is not enough for that high of a core clock.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9676618

 

Very nice it's good to see the cards performing properly.

 

Secret weapon. Don't ask/don't tell.

 

Guys, don't assume just because MSI now allows for dual PSU that you don't have EC limits for automatic power throttle in place.

Both MSI and Clevo have had those. Even the Clevo with 2x330W AC Adapter support.

We had to mod BIOS, vBIOS, ME and EC to get the results from the Phoenix (P870DM) that you saw from our masters in the benching section.
The stock model maxed out at 980M SLI level consumption and then dropped the CPU speed when OCed.
With the Mod Mr. Fox pulled over 800W from the wall using 4xAC Adapter and two 980s.

Mobile Pascal is a 'throttle expert' as it begins at very low temps..seeing clocks drop a thousand Mhz is a new dimension hence we decided to run with the 'throttle 3.0' branding.

Edit:

Don't get me wrong I am not complaining at all. Together we got the big guys to move a step closer to meet our preferences.

- MSI will also have LGA Desktop models
- MSI will have dual AC Adapter
- NVIDIA officially gives warranty on OCing mobile desktop chips
- Clevo now officially supports highest-end in SLI
- Clevo made 2 AC Adapter the default configuration
- Clevo built an optional, heavy SLI Monster Heatsink which adds more than half a kilo to the regular heatsink
- Clevo now has the basic XTU OCing options also in BIOS
- Clevo has their own OCing app and official support for OCing

WE as a community did that!

All we need to do is remove the firmware locks, add a few sliders and give the freedom of choice into the users hands and boom new world records and flying VR performance on the horizon.
I will also do my best to help upgrading existing models...

Good times ahead guys, good times ahead.

1070

 

Some info and spec's for CLEVO P870DM3-G & CLEVO P870DM2-G:

Spoiler: p870dm2_3

http://videocardz.com/62955/clevo-preparing-p870dm3-g-a-dual-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-laptop

 

This is several "reports" from a few sources mushed together, but thanks it's interesting

So, we can shorten the naming to the DM3 => 1080 SLI and DM2 => 1070 SLI.

Pretty exciting stuff.

Too bad the 1070/1060 benchmarks may be from another laptop...as yet unknown.

 

Mmm I've seen it before. I thought it was a bug but I'll just shh about it then.

 

Oh you two, will you spill it? Is it a mush together of 2 drivers? I remember someone did this before..

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*pretends to be Jon Snow*

 

Don't forget I am a vector of communication too for any comments.

 

Roger Rodger

Spoiler: What's our Vector Victor?

 

Is there any reason to think that there won't be a non-SLI version (with a single 1080) - I'm mostly buying one to run the Vive and Civ, which don't support/need SLI.

 

SLI is totally optional. You can also opt to have a large heatsink spread over two FANs (very similar to the one for the current 200W 980) if you go single GPU.

 

Now this depends entirely on who you ask doesn't it? @Mr. Fox

 

It would be "fun" to use that double fan cooling and large space to fit a "2-slot" 250w 1080ti.

It shall be called "The Prema"

 

LOL, sounds more like it would be called 'The Khenglish'!
He's our 'GPU DOC' and known to build 'Frankenstein models' in his man-cave:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...-mod-980m-to-desktop-980-core-upgrade/&page=1

 

Awesome, it sounds like you two are well on the way to productization

And, no need to wait for the 1080ti, making a 2-slot 250w Titan X(P) would be nice too, that can be "The Khenglish"

 

I even did that awhile back when I noticed the physx on one driver worked better than the newer driver, even though they said they were the same version. What they did exactly, not sure, but I want to put it in my backup archive...

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Two 1080 cards in a desktop out perform the new titan x by a fair amount.

 

Yeah, but then ya gotta deal with that nasty 'SLI', ya don't wanna get any of that on ya, ya know

Straight-line single card performance all the way!

Hmmm, I wonder if we could link PCI-E busses between 2 P870DM'Z's to get 2 x 2-slot Titan X(P) performance?

We'd need 16 x 330w power supplies in a fault tolerant 4 x 2 x 2 mesh and 2 bi-directional PCI-E bus extensions.

Now that would be "The Frankenstein" set up

 

The desktop cpus don't support dual socket systems (where the gpu lanes come from)

 

Put your engineering degree back into your pocket...it's Sunday brother.

 

so are current owners still screwed?

 

Let's have you and Khenglish work on a Titan XP for the P870DM3.

 

Nah, we'd lock out the CPU's from seeing each other, boot up one P870DZ with special firmware, only one CPU would have control of the 2 2-slot Titan X(P)'s

I was just thinking of making it "easier" using off the desk components already available.

Maybe design a PCI-E extender enclosure then, with features like water-cooling, 2nd 2-slot GPU, RGB lighting, ya know, the good stuff.

The Clevo "Wassergekühlten Dock".

 

And where does all this fit? Designing a 23" laptop?

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The 2nd 2-slot Titan X(P) GPU is in the water-cooled dock.

The P870DMZ with the first 2-slot Titan X(P) GPU is a "normal" form factor, so it can still be a 17.3" screen.

But, if you are petitioning for an OLED flexible scroll-out 23" screen instead, that's a great idea!

Yup. No new news.

 

That part is pretty obvious, but then i said....No questions until you went and tried it.

 

You would use dual socket Xeons in that case but the gpus have to see each other so they would need to be linked.

@Prema that would be against my nature

 

Since they're coming out with new laptops, will their new BGA line feature the P580 cpus?

i7-6785R 3.3ghz - 3.9ghz Turbo / 65W TDP / 370 USD tray / 350mhz - 1150mhz GPU

i7-6970HQ 2.8ghz - 3.7ghz Turbo / 45W TDP / 623 USD tray / 350mhz -1050mhz GPU

The desktop Xeon E3-1200 v5 series with base clock of 3.5-3.7 = 80W TDP

http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/_nc3/Skylake_R_01.png

2.3ghz = 15W ( 30W if it were 4C/8T )
2.7ghz = 45W ( 6970HQ / 6820HK / 6920HQ )
3.3ghz = 65W ( same as for 4C/8T broadwell-C )
3.7ghz = 80W ( E3-1200 v5 Xeons )
4.0ghz = 91W ( 6700K

The 6820HK can't be upped to 4.8ghz for long, but the 6700K can drop to 30W or scale to 180W+

 

Whats great about the 6700K is flexibility, unlike the locked down HQ/HK series

 

Frequency is linear and voltage is squared, so the 6700K can mimic their speed and TDP if you wish. A con might be having an IHS and possibly increasing thickness of a laptop.

The 14inch with a P580 iGPU might be decent + TB3 port might be nice for some people.

 

Why are we using 2 slots MXM? Single slot MXM with 2 additional power plugs should be enough.

The biggest worry is thermal.

 

That's why you would use both slots, it was the "connected" dual slot heat plate that sparked the idea for me.

Use the cooling capability from 2 slots worth of heatsink to tame the 250w Titan X(P) or 1080ti.

Take up all the physical space of 2 cards for this 1 card, use 1 electical MXM connection and 1 "fake" connection for board stability. You would actually plug in to both slots.

Extend the components across a board the size of both slot bays, spaced like the full size desktop sized spread - shrunk a bit to fit.

You would want to add some kind of interposer vapor chamber heat pipe cooling to spread the heat across all that area. And, use both fans and heat exchangers for cooling.

 

Do you know if the old P870DM owners will be able to use that SLI monster heatsink (specification 1 setup) or is it only a specification 2 (DM3) thing?

 

I was thinking dual gp102 in my head to make it worth it

 

500w of cooling needed for that Meaker

I'm up for it, but it's gonna need water + phase change cooling from the Dock, and run on only one powered GPU when on AC off the Dock.

 

Less about the watt, more about the thermal characteristics of pascal.

 

They moved the MXM slots on the motherboard. The screw holes won't line up. We're SOL... screwed... kaput... left for dead by Clevo with an obsolete dead end product less than a year old. Ain't that $hit special? Makes me want to kill something, sell it and move to desktops now. The more I see, the more it seems that every entity involved in the design of laptops is a devil worshipper and sadist. The idiot stuff all of them do removes any doubt that they are at least filthy customer-haters.

 

Shortly stated, 500w - 2 250w rated GPU's are a bit much to power and cool in a 17" laptop, that's my point.

Unless you think the thermal characteristics and power requirements of 2 Titan X(P) Pascal GPU's aren't going to require those resources?

What numbers do you put on the cooling and power requirements?

 

I'm not sure this is entirely Clevo's fault. It doesn't seem the new mxm sized cards would work well if they were trying to sli them in the old set up.