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@Mr. Fox , when is your dm3 arriving?

 

And OC level 1 or 2 settings are better than manual OC set up? LooooL
What about Dell's love for sky high core voltage in their crippled OC profiles? Higher core voltage is better for temps?

 

Yes, I think many of us are waiting for Mr. Fox to put his hand on the DM3 to see how he will taming of the Shrew

 

Ive noticed that the sky x9 from eurocom now sports a 1440p/120htz display. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,385,0)ec
though from what everyone tells me i should avoid them correct?

 

What is bad about it? It is 5ms atleast

 

@ocr123 I was talking about the reseller. Lol

I tossed the panel up hoping someone would have info on it as I can't seem to find a spec sheet for the life of me.

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My last comment on the whole bga thing as this is clearly not the right thread for this conversation, I say fair play to Asus, msi, alienware etc, they saw a niche market and they figured out how to play it with a profit, they advertised well in the general user domain and made sure the people who were sick of normal laptops only knew about their offerings. When I was looking for a step up 2 years ago I researched a fair bit and settled for a second hand Asus rog, it was the best thing ever for my travelling needs as far as I was concerned. I'm sorry but where was clevo, sager, mythologic etc when I was looking? Certainly not in my comparison Google searches, definitely not advertised in high Street shops. Now when people see my phobos it's like they've seen an alien and immediately want one. Literally nobody outside circles of overclockers have a single clue that DTRs exist without having to look hard through what are to them, obscure websites. So you can't call the people stupid for buying what they have put in front of them, they don't know what to look for. I hate advertising, but in this case it would definitely help boost the sales and bring prices down, and even stop the mentioned companies from making rip-off machines as more people become aware of the limitations. Oh and it was so much easier selling my Asus than it still is my phobos because people know the name and are less afraid to buy it, the most common question I get when people call about the phobos is are you sure it's any good, I've never heard of it, why don't they sell it in virgin megastars if it's that good?

 

He's joking right? I've never met anyone over 25 that thought that.

 

I agree with you, today I have a conversation between me and one of Clevo owners selling his laptop, in our market the consumers knows about Alienware, Asus, MSI and Acer, they don't know much about Clevo, I tried to convince them about the high specs and the powerful performance, and they insist to give the Clevo a low resale value because they don't know about it. I think Clevo are not targeting all user segments and maybe they don't care about selling numbers. I think they have to review their strategic and marketing plans very well, this is what I hope.

 

I don't think @Mr. Fox wI'll be buying one...

Unless I missed a conversation somewhere.

 

I agree. Clevo needs to step up their game because in the grand scheme of things, Clevo is out numbered 1:1000000 compared to the mass market. If Clevo wants to survive and not dig their own grave, they need to hook up with the community of enthusiasts and start innovating together at a grass roots level, which would then allow the product and happy customers speak for itself.

The major OEM's are getting away with anything that they want, because they have the money and resources to do so.

Now with Pascal having closed the gap, what incentive does that give to anyone who keeps their laptop for only a year to buy a Clevo which would be much harder to resell, than a major OEM machine that has an army of a market to cast their bait into, with high probability of reselling it. Whereas with a Clevo you're stuck with what you have and would need to also resell it in order to upgrade to the latest, with a much lower chance because those in the DTR community are likely in the same boat of wanting to rid theirs for the next big thing.

Brand recognition is important and I think Clevo really needs to step it up or they'll become extinct. There are many ways to efficiently market a product on a small budget, but first they need to get the basics right. Let's start with having a little fashion sense....

Using your situation as an example, had the Clevo, the guy was trying to sell look like an Asus, AW, Acer, MSI etc... Heck, let's just say it looked identical to an Alienware, I can bet that he would have sold it in a heart beat, because it's the common recognition that the masses gravitate toward.

It would do Clevo much justice to understand this and to be proactive in appealing to the masses while keeping things lga/mxm... because at the end of the day, the more money Clevo can make the better it is for us because not only would it keep them afloat / alive, but the revenue can be put toward the very things that would make us happy as well...Win win.







::iunlock::

 

Ha. A 1070. The PS4 "PRO" doesn't beat my 2013 notebook. The full-cored, full-speed RX 480 doesn't according to most benches, and even though newer games may be a slightly different story, a RX 480 at 75% the speed certainly isn't going to.

165Hz, OC-able to 180Hz is available, apparently.

 

Soon will perhaps the new Acer Sli *Beast* compete and wins the "King of Turdbooks" crown. This will be a rat race

 

Dobble post

 

I really hope Clevo doesn't start to design their performance laptop with Bling bling. Aka gamer boy design. I prefer the classic...!! Not a lot of lights and other stash

 

@Mr. Fox I tried to pm you, I was curious about your experience with eurocom.

Spoiler: What I'm looking at

Base
System and Display EUROCM Sky X9E2
Choose your LCD Display 17.3-inch (43.9cm); FHD IPS 1920x1080; MATTE (Non-Glare); 300nts; 700:1; 72% NTSC; eDP 30pin;LP173WF4 SPD1
G-Sync Technology with NVIDIA G-SYNC™
Display Calibration Optional - choose from the options below:
eXpansion Modules for 2-3 External Displays None - Choose from the options below
GPU / Graphics Technology Dual GPU support (SLI); 2 MXM 3.0 slots; up to 190W per card
VGA / GPU Graphics Options SLI 16GB; 2x 8GB GDDR5X; NVIDIA GTX 1080 (desktop); 2560 CUDA; N17E-G3; MXM 3.0; up to 190W per card
GPU Heatsink - Thermal Paste IC Diamond 7 Carat Thermal Compound for Maximum Performance
Processor / CPU 4GHz (up to 4.2GHz) Intel Core i7-6700K; 4C/8T; 8MB L3; Skylake-S; 14nm; LGA1151; 91W
CPU Heatsink - Thermal Paste Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
Memory (RAM) Configuration - Fully Upgradeable 16GB; 2x 8GB; DDR4; 2400Hz; CL14; 260-pin; 1.2V; Kingston HyperX Impact; 2 SODIMMs
Operating System(s) Microsoft Windows 10 Home; 64-bit; OEM; with DVD and USB key
Choose Your Keyboard (Language) Backlit; English; USA/Canada; QWERTY
Office and Business Productivity Software None - Choose from the options below
RAID Options: M.2 PCIe/M.2 SATA/mSATA Storage None - Choose from the options below:
Internal M.2 (2280) SSD Storage; 22mmx80mm Choose your SSD M.2 type 2280 (80x22nm) from the options below:
Internal M.2 (2280) SSD Storage; 22mmx80mm Choose your SSD M.2 type 2280 (80x22mm) from the options below:
RAID Options: HDD/SSD Storage None - Choose from the options below
1st Hard Drive. Choose Regular HDD, SSD or Hybrid SHDD: 1TB (1000GB); 7200rpm; SATA3 (6Gb/s); 32MB cache; Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000; 9.5mm
2nd Hard Drive Choose your 2nd HDD/SSD/SHHD from the options below:
External Optical Drive None - Choose from the options below
Internal Card Reader 6-in-1 Card Reader; MMC/RSMMC/SD/MiniSD/SDHC/SDXC; UHS-II interface
Biometric Device Built-in Fingerprint Reader
Embedded Security Chip Embedded TPM 2.0 Security Chip for Data Encryption
Wireless LAN 2-in-1: 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN+Bluetooth 4.2; Intel Wireless-AC 8260; M.2 2230; up to 867Mbps; 2.4GHz/5GHz
TV Tuner (Internal and/or External) None - Choose from the options below
Built-in Web Camera 2.0 Megapixels; Webcam; Built-in
HDMI Port(s) HDMI 2.0 Output Port
Thunderbolt Port 2x Thunderbolt 3 (via USB 3.1 type C)
Standard Battery (internal) 8-cells Smart Li-lon Battery
Standard AC Adapter 660W (2x 330W) AC Adapter; Auto-switching ;100-240V w/Converter Box (for Maximum XTU/OC/SLI Performance)
Standard Power Cord - included USA / Canada
Carrying Case 17.3-inch Sport Backpack; Black; Targus Voyager TSB045CA
Choose Your Warranty Plan 2 Years Return to Factory Depot with 2 Years of Tech Support

 

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That seems strange, and has certainly not been my experience. What is your demo? Perhaps it is a regional or age thing?

I live in Smallville, USA (Midwest) where the nearest metro area is about 100 miles away. Back in 1997, while walking in the local Computer Shop - selling IBM custom builds, and even offering configurations of Dell and Gateway purchases, I noticed a new set of laptops on display. The proprietor said they just starting selling them 6 months ago, the brand... Sager. So yes, I was introduced to Sager ~20 years ago. A few years later (early 2000s), the local tech groups (again, in a town of 14K) started talking about new computers (both desktop and laptops) from Falcon-Northwest and Alienware. Back then web was pretty new, so there were not a lot of forums, but we dialed into gaming BBS systems with those good ole 2400Kbps baud modems to talk about these things. Also there was the grand daddy catalog - the Computer Shopper. IIRC, Sager, Falcon-NW, and Alienware ads were plentiful there.

So DTRs have been around for a long time, but perhaps now, with margins so low, and print being dead, resellers target only specific web sites, and who's to say about their 'search engine' advertising. Perhaps these factors limited the Clevo based reseller's message reach when you were looking.

 

This toy is really big and nice, hope that Clevo keep giving us the DTR but with a new modern face:

 

Started with the zx spectrum in the UK in the 80s and been with desktops till 2011. Moved to Abu Dhabi in 2002 and started my current job in 2011 which has me literally travel the world. Started using laptops at the same time. Honestly, I've never been across clevo etc. and never met anyone who has or didnt bring them into a conversation at least. Imagine a place like dubai and Abu Dhabi not being a major focus point for their marketing, the amount of money flowing here is ridiculous. Ive heard of iirc and falcon, probably from when I was in the UK.

 

I like the Acer design. But the rest is a tragedy. A VERY LARGE TRAGEDY!! Design does not matter if the internal is ruined It's like buying a Porsche, but with an engine from the VW Polo.

 

I think some people are finding it hard to keep on mind just where the jumps in performance are.

A 1070 is the replacement to the 980m and saying a 980m would struggle at 1080p 60 fps better than the consoles would be funny but the 1070 is way ahead of that.

 

You are right that's why I said " Clevo giving us DTR with a new modern face"

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@nutty_apprentice & @montadayaty, if you've heard of laptops from Sager, Falcon-Northwest, or the Alienware of old, you've heard of Clevo, but probably didn't know it. Perhaps you know if Eurocom was around back then, too.

Remember, in Clevo's business model, they don't sell to us, the general consumer. The sell to boutiques. Because of this there is zero marketing effort by Clevo to build any kind of brand name recognition with the consumer. So, unless someone told you or you researched directly, there isn't a lot out of info out there to let ppl know they're really buying a Clevo. And the resellers are not going to let the consumer know they're starting with the same Clevo base.

This business model leaves the advertising up to the resellers. With so many resellers varying from region to region, perhaps you ran across a rebranded Clevo, but didn't know it. I'll leave it to you or @Phoenix to comment on the state of tech advertising in Dubai or in the Middle East in general.

Note, I'm not trying to argue or anything like that, but perhaps offer an explanation of what you've encountered.

 

I have the Samsung 65" JS9500. I bought it a year ago.

 

The only people that know the details of my intentions with right now are @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER and @Prema and another person that prefers not to be mentioned. What I ultimately decide to do will become publicly visible in 30 days or less.

I've had a good overall experience with them. It was awesome getting to test a Sky X9 and help @Prema with the firmware mods. It was amazing for so many customers got to see how phenomenal the P870DM-G was and made the prospect of buying a product that they could not see and touch less dangerous. By the time I was done publicly molesting the beast in a violent manner, the decision to get one was pretty easy for most people shopping for a new beast.

Understanding the basis for my biased appreciate for them, you would do better asking for opinions of other Eurocom customers like @ssj92, @GTVEVO and others that have purchased from them. The Sky X9E2 (P870DM3) is an excellent choice. At this point in time it is the only laptop model for sale that I would consider spending my money on. It's not perfect, but it's the only one I view as being good enough to own.

What a lot of people don't understand is Clevo is a manufacturer. Their brand recognition is not broad because they do not sell directly to the public and therefore have no reason to advertise. They have also manufactured products and components for other brands. Company names we are familiar with, like Apple, HP, Dell and Alienware do not manufacture anything. Clevo, Compal, Quanta, Wistrom and others make the notebooks that the big names sell. Compal and Quanta are the largest ODMs. Even the pre-Dell Alienware product line was made by Clevo. They found something better (at least for a few years, not so much any more) was available from Compal.

Clevo has lots of resellers and a small number of direct distributors. Eurocom is one of a few direct distributors in North America. Sager is also. HIDevolution, Mythlogic, FalconNW, OriginPC and a host of others are Clevo Resellers selling the same products available for their purchase from direct distributors like Sager and Eurocom. What separates them is the added value and service they offer to customers. Being a @Prema partner takes them to a whole new level. The resellers that are not Prema partners have some distributor-imposed restrictions to contend with, so my advice is to buy your Clevo from a Prema partner shop whenever possible. https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/ and based on price. You're not going to get a different machine. The underlying product is always a Clevo. Prema firmware can make them function and behave like a different product, but the underlying model is the same at a hardware level no matter where you buy it.

 

What ever Mr. Fox decides I will continue to share my own adventures

 

I'm always trust and respect your advice @Mr. Fox , so I ordered my DM3 fully loaded and Delidded from HIDevolution, Mr. Donald helps me a lot to close the deal 3 days a go. I'm waiting to receive the laptop this week I hope.

I must say thanks as well for @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER for his kind support, I really appreciate.

 

I'm actually surprised that Eurocom is a Prema partner. I remember that the XMG rep posted that since they are a direct distributor, offering the Prema BIOS would cause a bit of a fuss at Clevo. Is Eurocom's pull that big compared to XMG?

 

That is funny. I get screen tearing when playing very simple games actually, and I have zero idea why, using 860m + Optimus + 4710hq

Actually, what hurts me is that after it's prime will pass, it will be hard to repair it or keep it going. So are most of them laptops. This is why most people who buy more expensive laptops are those who really need the processing power. But the difference in price between a strong gaming laptop and a strong gaming pc is not as high as it would seem. 2400 EUR for a gaming laptopy, and about the same for a gaming PC (around 2000 for the same specs).





I really have an question for the pros in here!

Would I really feel the difference between 1080 and 1070 in a P775, or rather is the difference worth it's money if getting 1080 costs 400 USD more? I'm using an 860m right now ;_;

 

1080 is more forward-looking. At least if you want to keep your laptop a while.
http://next.lab501.ro/notebook/review-clevo-p775dm3-g-gtx-1080-core-i7-6700k/10

 

And, I will be watching. I always enjoy your adventures, Brother Meaker. Thanks for sharing.

Awesome. Brother @Swick1981 (the M18xR1/R2 BIOS modder that made legacy BIOS Maxwell GPU compatibility a reality with the M18xR2) just accepted delivery on a shiny new EVOC P870DM3 monsterbook yesterday. He contacted @Donald@HIDevolution on my recommendation. He is also officially done with supporting the Alienware brand now, at least as far as enthusiasts are concerned. I think he may be continuing his business relationship with Dell for commercial applications.

Yes... my impression is that they probably have more pull and influence with Clevo than any other distributor. If you understood what makes them tick it would not be surprising they are a Prema partner shop. They are very serious about their brand name and going against the flow with the BGA filth. They don't care about making gamer-boys happy or selling products to bargain shoppers. They are proud elitists and they only want customers that are elitists. Their target market is people and businesses that demand superior products and have the money to pay for superior products. They are working behind the scenes in an effort to make Pascal MXM upgrades possible for pre-Pascal notebooks, but it's anyone's guess at this point if they will be able to pull it off through influence. I hope they do, but only time will tell. Whether you like them or not, you've got to give them massive respect for who they are and what they do.

 

@Georgel Your project Falsetto Memories it seems very nice, let us know how to support you in this regards. And my low profile opinion that you will feel big difference worth the $400 cost.

 

I certainly hope they do. That'd probably make quite a lot of P870DM owners very, very happy. From my understanding based on what @Prema has said, the 1080 cards are moddable to function without the EC signal, so the two hurdles left are the screw hole in the way and a workable heatsink.

 

I have made my suggestions also on that front. Also Sager's move to get more BIOS options exposed is something I am encouraging.

 

I have an older version Predator 1440p monitor that runs off of my WC rig with dual 290s and Freesync. It It has 75Hz refresh rate, looks exactly the same and is a dream to use.

I was hoping for a 4K display with a high refresh rate. Nothing yet?

 

I believe 1080 would even work on the 180W GTX 980 PCB. If that is accurate, even 1080 SLI would be doable, but they would have to convince Clevo to manufacture it and Clevo would probably have to be convinced that there is enough demand for it to make such an undertaking worth the trouble and expense on their part. My impression as an outsider is that Clevo is a pretty stubborn outfit, but that could be wrong. I have no idea if it will happen, but it would definitely make for a bunch of happy P870DM-G owners if and when it does.

 

Use duct tape to fix screw problem

 

If you've got 5K to blow Dell's putting out a 120Hz 0.1ms 4K OLED display at some unspecified point in the future.

You don't need duct tape, you need a dremel.

 

Totally agree with you, Eurocom must be respected anyway, they created a deep and strong history in this market long time ago, it was my dream since 1989 to have one of their products, they are innovators for me, I was watching their products videos with all respect, and I learned a lot from them as well. I'm always talking about respect, specially for one of the creators in this industry like Eurocom.
BTW, my 1st computer was "please no one laughs" Sinclair ZX81
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX81

 

The TN panel is almost 100 $ dollar more expensive than the 4k IPS? Can someone explain this!

 

Is it TN? I thought it was ips. Though I haven't been able to find a spec sheet for it.
Edit: oops missed it its right there on the line.

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Maybe they have to pay more for it from the place they are getting it. Supply/demand may have an effect as well. But, 1440p at 120Hz would be a much better product to have with a tiny 17.3 inch notebook display than a 4K IPS panel IMHO.

 

5K... WTF!!!

As tempting as that is, I will hold out for something priced at about 25% of that... lol

 

eurogouge

 

I sort of have to weigh in on this as well....

Clevo has actually come along way with accepting the bios influence on their bios. I remember when I talked to them way back when. Before the D901C. I asked about bios options. And kept asking. And the direct reply was. NO! Now quit asking. . So I ditched the D901C and moved to something else. And now after around a decade, they are finally giving in...Somewhat....What I mean is...The options do not show in the bios, but the base config is starting to yield a lot better performance than ever before. I was actually quite surprised!!! They laxed up on a few settings that allow the machine to grow some what. I have been able to accomplish quite a bit on just a stock setup. Just as @dspboys has with a single gpu setup. The P870DMG could not even come close. It was begging for a @Prema intervention on a very serious note! We are finally starting to get something that is capable of working right out of the box. Now that is unprecedented. Meaning that it's able to jump in high gear without waiting months for development among the community to get it to actually work as advertised. That alone says wonders. And with some @Prema goodness, it can only get that much better. Win win for the consumer in my book. Means the people who do not want to tinker don't have too. And those of us that do want to tinker, can. It's not as mandatory as it once was. And that's a good thing.

 

I'm looking at pulling the trigger on this machine on monday, the only thing i have left is decide which vendor i would like to get this machine from. currently its a toss up between eurocom and HIDevolution.
the price is the same, largely its going to depend on ease of RMA's and such, does anyone in the community have experiance with these companies?

 

Thanks for reminding me of that review!

Those guys put a lot more heart in explaining things with the first gen, but it's nice to have a good quality review around!

I should try to squeeze my budged as much as possible to get 1080 then.

I plan to use it as long as it serves my needs. That can be as long as 3-4 years if I won't need more power, and constantly developing means a need for power but since 860m to 1080 is a 5X factor in power O_O, I might be okay for a while, even after going full blown 4K display resolution and processing 12K graphics ^_^

Thanks a lot for all the good words!

We are a small team, less than 5 people, and we want to create something magical for everyone!
I can only say that Falsetto will be a roller coaster of laughs laughs joy, tears, tension and many other cool things!

(We also have a few other projects we're working on, but that follow different stories. As soon as we have a site up, I'll let everyone know) Best help we can get is everyone enjoying our games, spreading the word and having fun!

As for 1080, I keep thinking if I should get it or not, since it is a bit more expensive, but it will also be used for a pretty long time. My 860m is not enough to carry me for another year, while I do want my next laptop to last me 2-3 years and to provide enough power for work!

 

All resellers I met are awesome people that were very helpful to me with many technical details and providing me with me workarounds I needed!

Making a choice on what reseller to pick is hard when all of them are great people