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of course they're nice when you don't mind being gouged by their panel prices

 

When they want your business they will price match in most cases. If they are the only vendor offering a particular option, if you want that option you'll likely have to pay what they are asking and won't have any leverage for negotiation if nobody else is offering it. They're in business to make money, not give gamers the most budget-friendly options, so I really don't see a problem with charging as much as the market will bear. That's just good business sense.

And, this is really no different than it used to be with Alienware. It used to be if you loaded your shopping cart on the web the prices were always astronomical and truly asinine. If you picked up the phone, spoke to a person and negotiated, it was not uncommon to get anywhere from 15 to 25% discounts. Now they use the more consumer-friendly approach by selling things cheaper on the web site and not budging on price. This is possibly because of the shift in their target market from deep pocket enthusiasts to low-budget kiddos that thrive on instant gratification.

 

My P870DM-G was officially jacked by my girlfriend ( @Mr. Fox you did a mighty fine job tuning that machine). I am not sure what I want to do. Half of me wants to take the plunge on the DM3 (I personally feel Clevo will allow at least a single GPU generation upgrade) but I need a new business notebook capable of software development/graphic design, virtualization, video creation and most importantly, good battery life. I'm going to keep my options open (our Dell Sales rep keeps trying to sell me on their workstation).

 

I still get 15%-25%. Already have that lined up.
The margin is still there. Just need to figure out how to get it.

 

She has great taste in computers. Sounds like a keeper you've got there.

 

Yeah, we thought so too

I'm going into my DM3 without any expectations anymore. My assumption/hope is that like my old M18X with 680m SLI, it will be viable for several years before I get the upgrade itch.

 

And @Mrfox thanks for the info, wasn't aware that's how clevo worked, you're probably right about not realising I've seen them under different names. So resellers are the ones that need to get a their stuff in the UAE media! There are a lot of spoilt rich kids getting alienware and Asus from the big shops here, that's a big market to tap. The small computer shops tend to have last year's technology for desktops and not much else, and seen to be obsessed with gigabyte.

 

As an owner of a P870DM-G (well former owner), my concern isn't upgradability but rather being able to replace parts if need be. The prices of a MXM GPU upgrade are off putting. Even if the P870DM-G was upgradable to Pascal, I would stick to the current 980. I blame Nvidia for the prices though.

 

Only quoting this for an example....

People say the synthetic benchmarks don't mean anything this and that...Well I beg to differ. The part all you gamers should be looking at is the FPS. Since that is a better representation of anything. So lets not even look at the score, lets only look at the FPS.

225 FPS vs 161 FPS this is average not max.
182 FPS vs 140 FPS
That is a total killing i'm afraid. 1/4 performance loss for more money is NOT a bargain. That is not a GREAT performance per watt ratio. And no the cpu isn't bottlenecking the GPU'S. And if it was, then why would anyone want to buy into that knowing the answer in advance?
This is the main problem I would have. No way they should be that far behind in the GPU clock for clock class. That in my book is unacceptable when spending big money.


And because the developement of making the system right is kind of in the slow stages, it takes months longer to find out if the machine is even capable of doing better. Who wants to wait 3 months to see if it's going to get better when everything is not driver related?. There is a base performance that everyone should be able to attain if we are all on the same ground. And that is just not cutting it.

Now....It could be attributed to user error, but the MSI community would need to come together to get the bugs worked out so that it does perform where it should be. And no one knows what real stock or over clock performance is.....until you actually fix what is broken first.
I just don't see myself buying one to help make that happen at this time.

This is only my opinion on the matter....

 

Clevo update:

17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz with G-Sync. nVIDIA has issues with getting G-Sync working so they need to redo the firmware and drivers for this AUO screen. They need another few weeks to complete this, and since you never know how long it will take to fix what isn't working on new stuff...we cannot predict exactly what '...another few weeks...' will turn out to be. All shipments with this screen are on hold until they can ensure 100% stability.

Clevo will be releasing a new 17.3" 3K 120Hz G-Sync screen that should be arriving sometime the week of September 26th or October 3rd. We should have a tighter ETA by the end of next week.

The EVOC P870DM2 and EVOC P870DM3 are sold out everywhere...Eurocom, Sager, Pro-star, HIDevolution ...everywhere. However we are expecting a new shipment sometime the week of September 26th or possibly as late as the week of October 3rd.

17.3" 4K 120Hz screens are not available, only 60Hz, and they are not on the Clevo roadmap at this time.

We do apologize for these delays, but please don't shoot the messenger, these delays are due to nVIDIA, AUO and Clevo needing time to get their act together, and all Clevo builders are in the same boat. We should all get them at the same time.

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3k @ 120Hz sounds sexey!

 

I see a 3K 120 Hz option on Eurocom, presume this is the same one?; it appears to be TN panel, though, for those that prefer IPS.

 

Oh bugger, now we have to decide between washed out colours and fast response vs pretty and a tiny bit slower? Or has the gap closed in quality over the years? Anyone had recent experience with both?

 

So, what if one does not give a rat's ass about G-stink and just want 120Hz 1080p? Still on hold for those who don't want it and don't care?

Thanks for the update!

 

Good question? I'm so sad, my order will be delayed for unknown period, and I don't care about the G-Sync or even the laptop screen as well, most of the time I'm using an external 55" 4K screen.

 

i think they are available but I'm holding off because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom made the 2 types of the same 1080 GPU's - Gsync and NoGsync.
I'm with you. I don't give a rats about Gsync. But thinking longer term, selling a non Gsync card to someone with a gsync screen might be difficult if we were to upgrade beyond 1080. We can accept it, but for most people I'm guessing it would be a deal breaker.

 

Good point, I like it, the GPU's should be supporting all technologies from day one regardless what screen will be attached to it.

 

Thank you so much for this update!! I'm very excited to hear this! I was holding out for 1080p 120hz G-Sync but now that I know the 1440p 120hz G-Sync is coming soon, I will definitely hold out for that. G-Sync will be even more beneficial at that resolution as many games will dip below 120fps at max setting, even with GTX 1080 SLI.

Two questions. I noticed you have the SM961 available on your website. Are these available now (or do you think they will they be around 9/26-10/3 when new screens arrive)? They are backordered on most websites, so just curious if adding a 1tb model could delay an order. Also, was going to add a 2tb 850 pro of my own once laptop is received. Are the standard size SSDs installed by removing heatsink to gain access? I was going to get liquid ultra along with delidded CPU, and would prefer not to repaste everything on day one, plus I've never done liquid ultra repaste.

 

Be ready for me as soon as the 3k 1440p Gsync in at your shop.

Great info, we appreciate it.

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Yeah, that is an excellent point. Probably the best rationale for having the G-STINK gimmick that I have heard yet. Those GPUs are backward compatible with machines that do not have everything else in place to support it as well. It's a two-edged sword, unfortunately since G-STINK requires a different GPU and if you're looking to buy a replacement part out of warranty your selection is more limited if you need to keep functionality intact.

 

Eurocom lists the 1440p screen as having 5ms response time, so not bad! Although I'm not sure if that's white to black or grey to grey response.

 

If they don't have any stock left to sell, that means that @Swick1981 must have received one of the last ones from @Donald@HIDevolution on Friday.

 

Selling old machine in hopes of getting that 1440P 120Hz and single 1080.

Havent been able to keep up with this thread due to work. Was wondering on differences between DM2 vs DM3 in size, cooling, ect. I only know DM2 cannot fit SLI1080.

 

All this mess is because of greedy Nvidia. Lord's name... We are in 2016 almost 17 and Nvidia prefer to push out their very best and most expencive mobile graphics cards with and without G-Sync. This is top of greed

 

Just saw this http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-listed-online/. Is there a chance that during holiday season around December or late November a DM3 will have an option of Kaby lake processor on 200 chipset motherboard? or Around CES 2017?

 

Hmmmm order now or wait and see? How many times have people asked themselves that question in this business hehe!?

 

Seen something interesting!

Since everyone was saying that many resellers don't have P870 right now, TEK, the romanian reseller seems to have them.

I'm not affiliated or anything, just putting it here. They sell only SLI for P870 for those interested.

About a new display coming in and all the new things coming in. We should just be able to upgrade our displays, no? Then this shouldn't be a reason to keep delaying our purchase, otherwise we will never get what we want.

I am the type who delayed my purchase since April... I'm happy that I did, but man, that's a long time to keep promising yourself to get what you want tomorrow.

 

The never ending story with technology... upgrading it afterwards may even save a few pennies...

::iunlock::

 

That's the thing. Sometimes procrastinators are so worried that they're not going to get the best and tomorrow never comes. You could be locked up indefinitely trying to time everything just right, then blink twice and you're running something obsolete.

At this point in time I think waiting for Kaby Lake may not be a good idea because the outcome is too unpredictable. I seriously do not expect it to be remarkably better than Skylake in terms of performance, perhaps even inferior to Skylake in that regard. I'm concerned there are too many wildcards with Kaby Lake and the trend in some aspects of technology is going 180° in the wrong direction. I'm actually concerned it could end up being more crippled due to the Redmond Nazis doing stupid stuff to screw us all. If it is more focused on using less power than face-melting performance it will be turdbook fodder. If what they want us to believe is actually true and Kaby Lake requires Windows 10 to function correctly, then I'd encourage everyone to hurry up and get something with Skylake before it's too late and you're stuck with a super crappy cancer OS as the only option.

 

No, No, No & No!

 

Will it be possible to get it working on the DM1? When it does release ,since the engineering samples have been working on the current Z170.

 

The situation is increasingly uncertain and complex, and there is a lack of transparency in dealing with information, this is not good.
Just a point of view.

 

In theory it should only be a firmware (BIOS/ME) issue for Z170 boards.
But we couldn't get our hands on a sample chip, yet. Also the embargo is still in place...that sales offer there is just vaporware.

 

Would it be better if we get a WD black 1tb laptop HDD or a HGST 1tb laptop HDD ?

I mean both in performance and reliability.


Also, Kaby lake was said to bring little improvements, it's not absolutely needed to upgrade every generation, especially when the improvements were said to be within ~5%

Though I do hope that we will gen even the next generation to work on all Clevo socketed laptops!

 

Well that settles my internal debate. I want the DM3 with a 1440p 120hz panel. I am happy I waited.

 

A pretty strange effect with the LG FHD IPS display.

IF looking at something that is generally black or dark, the entire display darkens, then if moving to a 100% white background, it gets white again.

Is this normal, or is windows playing tricks on me?

 

Nope, never noticed that with mine.
Dont you have the 4k panel? At least thats what it says in the sinature..

 

Not yet.

Still rocking FHD LG panel on another laptop, but it's exactly the same panel, and tomorrow I order my clevo. Still undecided if I want to spend 400USD on the 4K panel, while I can buy an 100% adobeRGB external 25" QHD dell ultrasharp display for the exact same money ;_;

 

Another question I got is why everyone is going with Samsung SSDs? I mean, there is hyperX and other brands, should I avoid all other brands? Seems odd since some of those are cheaper per GB and Samsung users have posted some bugs with theirs..

 

Woot! Can you please link me to that monitor? That sounds like a sick deal.

 

I really dislike the effect and only noticed it lately ;_;

LG Display LP173WF4-SPF1

I also installed windows recently and it might be the cause for this, with my past windows installation this was not happening.

Please help...

 

Not the LG Panel, the 25" Ultrasharp monitor you mentioned in the previous post.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1194917-REG/dell_up2516d_25_widescreen_led.html

 

not 4k

rip

 

if you don't mind NVME I would recommend the SM961 (assuming you can find a seller with stock and not on backorder). The Samsung 960 Pro is supposedly going to be out soon as well.

If your order is going to be 3+ months out, perhaps waiting to see what Intel is going to do with Optane might be worth the wait.

In regards to why, do a search in the sm961 or Samsung 950 pro. Once you read up on it, you'll see what the fuss is about.

 

1440p 120hz G sync my dream came true

 

I said it's QHD, so 1440. Still 100% adobe RGB and can be found at 400USD, the cheapest 4K 100%adobeRGB is at least 800$ for the same size...

Those options sound very good!

But I'm actually looking for something more budget friendly.

I finally landed on Corsair XTi after looking at Zotac Premium and HyperX savage.

This Corsair XTi should yield good cost vs performance ratio right now!

I wish I could wait until these become true but waiting after waiting after waiting won't get me anywhere while I need a machine to work!

 

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there's gotta be a catch for that low price...

 

I thought as much at first.

Then who buys QHD 100% adobeRGB displays nowadays, when everyone started lowering the prices even for 4K 100%adobeRGB displays?

There was a similar shocking situation with microSD cards.

In 2011 I got a 32 GB microSD for 150$.

Nowadays, an 128GB microsd is barely 45$...

 

Also, you never specified 2.5" vs. M.2. Regardless, if performance is not as critical, checkout the EVO line of Samsung SSDs. They are a little bit easier on the wallet. Other than that, what do the reviews say about the other drives you mention? A little research here will go a long way.