*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

A GTA V benchmark run here:

 

Nice! I can't wait to get mine. 2 more days ...

I assume this is an external monitor? I saw the 1440P setting, but not sure if this game supports oversampling or not. If external, g-sync on or off? thanks!

edit: 144hz, so probably external ...

 

G-sync on external swift monitor.

You can use DSR of course.

 

Do you know if it will be an IPS panel or TN panel? Eurocom has it listed as TN...

 

We are waiting for confirmation on exactly what panel will be used.

We believe it will be 120Hz TN.

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Not sure what that's all about. That's why I "asked" the owner who actually has a machine in his possession.

Exactly my point! You didn't see the image because you didn't click on it. You just spoke without checking the user's links. Might want to start their first next time.

 

Hey Everyone,
I just wanted to know if this is worth the effort for all us P870DM3 owners. I've just about finished with creating an installer for windows 7 ULT 64-Bit where you'll get almost ALL the windows updates that are able to be integrated into the installer, PLUS some other post update installs like IE11, Microsoft Camera Codecs, dot net 4.5.1 and dot net v3 updates, security updates, etc... The installer for Win7 is already SP1, so that takes care of that... It's also got the LATEST dreivers for ALL componants EXCEPT the finger print, as that'll be installed as a post install of windws for you. Plus a few of the other driver programs that you MAY want / need! heh It's really got a lot installed and ready for you to make life easier. Again, this is so you dont necessarily do an image since this'll do what you need. The installer is already setup to install in an MBR or GPT. It also allows you to have the default administrator account as the account to be used and you can specify the password you want. Otherwise, the installer does EVERYTHING and you ONLY need to select the drive to install to and that is IT! Then this will have all the windows updates (almost) all integrated into the install so you dont need to deal with MUCH updating. And, to make matters better, the system will disable sleep or hibernate mode (depending on what you want) and there will be a few variations of the install. It's basically done and ready - there are a few updates and installs that I Have not been able to incorperate, but I need more testers. IF anyone wants to, please let me know as I could use it. Otherwise, this instrall will essentially do a full install with most (ALMOST ALL updates), have the LATEST drivers available and in some cases even newer that what the manufacturer puts out, and the software the drivers need, etc... So it's like have the base install but no real bload except driver bloat, but you can uninstall that if you need / want. This way it's like having a starting "image" but this way it's a COMPLETELY CLEAN install.
IF you're interested in testing on the P870DM2 or P870DM3, please let me know. This installer has the USB3 drivers installed, too, so you can install this via USB! It's been VERY useful for me and I love it. Since I'm all up and running, I have been unable to test my newest additions, so I thought I'd see if it's something ya'll would like to try! Please shoot me a PM and let me know if you'd like to try. If so, I'll put it on mega so you all can try! I'm also TRYING / researching / looking into TRYING to mod the bios slightly in order to add or upgrade some features as there are new modules that can be updated, but that'll take a bit of time! Just thought I'd let ya'll know!

LASTLY... I know this isn't the correct forum to place this, but... if ANYONE has an Dell Alienware m18xR2 motherboard (and daughterboard, but the motherboard is the important thing) that they are willing to donate to me, I'd be grateful as there are 3 things that CAN be upgraded on that bios and a few SATA controller improvements that I could add, but the issue is I have no more ability to build & test because my MOTHERBOARDS both died. Looking for someone that could be EXTREMEWLY generous that willing to donate a board to me so I can add even more upgrades and features! (Turns out after I put my last message on here about not much being upgradable because of the stuff I did, I found out there are 3 things that can be done and another mod that can do something EXTREMELY helpful - speed wise!) So, if you're wanting an even newer m18xR2 bios that'll give you even more speed and options, and have a spare motherboard, please can you PM me and be willing to donate it? I'm happy to pay shipping fee's via fedex and have fexex pickup to save you trouble! Hope to hear from SOMEONE! (Fingers crossed)

Thanks,
Swick

 

I missed the 2nd link he gave for the Dragon Gaming Center, that's why I posted it in my reply to show you I looked for it and found it this time.

The way you asked the question of him it was a question not based on anything to me, and since I hadn't seen the image I had a different context for your posting.

I am sorry to have mis-understood your posting

I also would have reposted the image here showing the image with the fan speeds for others to see, not just made what appeared to be an unsubstantiated post, which would have kept the mis-understanding from occurring in the first place.

Not blaming you, I'm just saying that's why I always include URL's, images, and other supporting information when passing on information like this.

When lots of posts go by, the context is lost, and that's how mis-information or mis-understandings get started.

 

I'm in regardless if it's TN. I mentioned to Ted to update my order

 

Nothing wrong with TN. Smart move.

 

I hope it's color reproduction is high like the TN panel that was available with the P570WM (AUO 90% NTSC).

I may consider it over my 4K AUO 100%AdobeRGB display.

 

I totally agree. Based on my experiences with IPS monitors I simply don't care. IPS offers very little to me when it's a monitor right infront of my face. Even color wise the old alienware m18x TN had a better image quality and brightness than my last 870DM IPS screen

Obviously all panels aren't born equal but I haven't found any reason not to like TN's despite the bashing they get.

 

New minor Clevo update.

We had a few people who ordered the EVOC P870DM3 w/ Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz, no G-Sync, move to the 3K, so we still have a few of those in stock.

 

Does Clevo update their drivers often on their main driver page?

After owning an Acer for a very long time, I know that their drivers have been the same for over 1 year, no upgrades, no nothing.

Also, with Clevo's, is it necessary to use the main VGA driver that comes with it, or it's safe to use any driver from Nvidia?



About RAM and other components, I can't wait to see how much those can overclock

 

No idea on the Clevo page, as I've never been on it. But, I have the last generation P870DM and I just install drivers straight from Nvidia.

 

QHD 120Hz is 72% gamut

 

Is it confirmed to have a TN panel?

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Yes, it has always been TN.

 

Clevo don't offer much driver updates. And You can use graphics drivers from Nvidia without problems. Why upgrade drivers if everything works? New isn't always better Don't fix it, if it ain't broken. And if there is newer useful drivers out there, you will most likely find them in the forum

 

Really interested to hear about this

 

Can you all explain why so many prefer the 1440p screen over the 4K Gsync screen? Is the refresh rate that big of a deal?

Thanks

 

That, and that scaling should be more manageable. Likely even able to run without scaling for a lot more people who don't like to deal with how Windows handles it (or doesn't).

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So I managed to exchange the CPU fan, see picture.


I know, it looks terrible but atm it´s just some sort of proof of concept. I had to make the housing of the MSI fan (in fact it is a AAVID fan) about 5mm smaller by cutting the plastic housing on the right side (where it is taped now), however the height and length of the fan fit perfectly in the DM3. I use the DM3 now with the bottom cover mounted back on again, no problems so far.

At max fans (fn +1) the AAVID rotates at about 3000 rpm and cools the CPU quite nicely and is verry quiet at this speed, MUCH quieter than the ADDAs at 3000 rpm.

I will order now 2 more AAVID fans from China and replace both remaining ADDA fans.

I am quite happy with the result.

By the way, did I mention those ADDA fans are total crap?

 

And what with overclocking? Can those fans cool higher power draw?

 

Clevo/Sager did not fix the EC fan table issue yet, my P870DM2 fans are no longer ramping up on "Automatic", even when CPU hits 100c (GPU 91), fan is stuck at 2k rpm (unless FN+F1), same goes for GPU. Done reset EC, removed Battery and CMOS, ran Linux on first post, did not work yet.

 

Atm the modified housing is not perfectly sealed (I used tape). It doesn´t make sense to oc right now. Furthermore I don´t do CPU overclocking at all in a notebook. GPUs is a different story. I will do some testing when all 3 fans are exchanged. However, I would like the AAVID fan to go higher than 3100 rpm, which is the maximum speed it does in my DM3.

Anyway, the noise of those ADDAs is even killing me when they do about 3000 rpm, so I had to find a solution. I was even thinking about selling the DM3 and opting for a GT73VR but I like those 1080s in SLI and I think this might be a good compromise.

Fitting the AAVIDs in the DM3 is not too complicated, even one screw hole fits. Unfortunately for the DM3 needs 12v fans and there aren´t so many options as in the 5v class. If somebody has a better fan in mind pls tell me. The Sunon Maglev fans seem to be all 5v for example.

 

@Mr. Fox and @Phoenix
Have you guys made up your mind regarding getting P870DM3. We would really like you to be part of the owners club. Without you guys, i feel this club will loose its charm.

 

I agree with you, unfortunately, I requested to cancel my DM3 order today, and I'll wait for few weeks until everything from all factors to be clear.

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Just to inform you that it is indeed EC lockup from XTU (uninstalled already), and i've managed to find a weird workaround. Happy that it works now, much more silent (same after unboxing on auto)

 

Yeah, I'm thinking so. It is the ONLY current laptop that I will even remotely consider purchasing at this point. I find everything else available in the current notebook offerings from all brands to be unacceptable.

It will be the first week of October before I make a final decision to put my nickel down on a DM3. The only other viable option is going back to desktop. The caveat is, I don't really want any notebook at all at this point if a @Prema BIOS is not forthcoming, including P870DM3. I'm just not interested in firmware crippled junk, even if the hardware is awesome.

 

Actually it makes a lot of sense to overclock it now. Why? Because of this (At max fans (fn +1) the AAVID rotates at about 3000 rpm and cools the CPU quite nicely and is verry quiet at this speed, MUCH quieter than the ADDAs at 3000 rpm.) statement.
So going by that, the over clock should theoretically still be cooler and quieter. right?

 

Do you mean Prema will not be delivering a bios for the DM3? I just want to clear the air on this.

@Prema , you are delivering at your partners for the DM3 correct? Such as HID.

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Sure thing! Nvidia took a long time for certification, just waiting for new g-sync code base from factory now...

 

Ok, thx I was sweating there for a few.

Bios and vbios, correct?

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No, Brother @GTVEVO not at all. What I meant was, if I could not have the @Prema BIOS I would not purchase a P870DM3. Same was true for the P870DM-G. Prema's BIOS mod makes them very desirable to me. If Prema retired and said no more BIOS mods then I would be going back to desktops and would only own really cheap disposable laptops. The pathetic crippled stock BIOS filth on all notebooks is totally a deal-killer for me.

 

Thanks for clarifying I appreciate it, I also agree.

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Please share the love with P775 owners!

 

What is wrong with the p775?

 

Mr Fox needs full bore HW a.k.a SLI, Also 775 uses normal unified HS which is bad for OCers.

Edit :
I'd also add, They should have upgraded the cooling with the 775DM look at the avg temps on that machine with 6700K + 1080 temps are always over 80C no matter what (If you didn't undervolt consider 90C avg on both), both the CPU and GPU shared HS design is really a step back, with Pascal It effects more...imho.

 

Represent! @Prema

 

Pretty much what @Ashtrix said. I do not like the unified heat sink design at all, and I hope to avoid ever owning another laptop made that way. I really like my P750ZM except for that one thing and I think that sucks real bad.

 

OMG! Where'd you get that @Prema t-shirt? I want one several.

 

New line in the making. LOL

Although I'm not sure about cost since this one was rather expensive for most!

 

You could always use that service that waits for a certain amount to be ordered before shipping and applying a bulk discount.

 

Yes, but they have to actually be ready for shipping first....

 

Though the design is okayish for certain activities, especially when the load is not the same on both and some heat can be offloaded from one to the other (like most real life scenarios)

Me too !

Me too!

We need those for everyone!

And Prema should be running a store for them where we can show our support!

[It is really cool to show our support, both moral support and to help Prema out for all the effort!]

 

John took the shirt to an OEM meet-up where he crashed a couple of their stock systems just by pushing the 'automatic overclock button'...he's got the touch!

I have a bunch of hand-made (stitched by an artist) 'prema shirts' myself...but that's for later...let me get 'project-phoenix' sorted first...

 

A few things are stopping me from getting it:

1) The fact that many are complaining about the cooling not being adequate

2) Don't feel like buying it then in a few months Kaby Lake is announced and we may or not be able to upgrade, then I'd shoot myself if that happened.

3) Not really excited about anything in this laptop other than the 1080 GTX due to them using the same design / keyboard, I hate the keyboard so much.

With that said, I didn't scrap off the idea but also, not so enthusiastic about it. Maybe if I get some extra cash to burn I'd get it but really, the excitement level in me about this laptop is close to 0

 

Hey Everyone...
Just a little update. So, I've got the image about 80% done. I've integrated ALL the updates I could, safely, and included IE11 (I know, it SUCKS), CameraCodec's, and other apps to install and integrate AFTER installation is done and you sign on to PC. I've also included at post install (when you sign in to win) that the system will install the dot net 4.5.2 updates I believe. Just including 4.6.1 now, and then adding ALL the software for the drivers. The ONLY down side to this is that, in order to save space, I am ONLY doing this for Win 7 Ult 64bit. I can do it for pro, too, but the size is just becomming rather large and I do not know if that will be an issue for some out there. However, once I have the "bloat" integrated, all you'll have to do is select the size of the drive and where to install OS, create a username and PC name, (oh, the built in admin account is enabled with this installer), and then connect to your network. that's it. I've got, literally, the latest drivers (thanks to station-drivers) for the P870DM3! But you wont have to accept the EULA, and all that crap. I have also integrated the USB drivers into the image so USB3 SHOULD boot up for you without an issue. You just need to make the USB flash drive bootable! Anyhway, I hope this is something ya'll could use. I know I LOVE it and setup an installer like this for my m18xr2 and LOVED it. This way you'll have SB x-FI MB5, Intel / Killer WIreless, HWINFO, Command Center, Audio (Realtek w/ Dolby), Airplane Mode, etc... ALL the drivers available but updated.
HOWEVER, THIS IS A BIG WARNING - FOR WHATEVER REASON, do not update the Intel RST past v14. v15 caused my P870DM3 to not be bootable. I dont know if it's because they changed the name of the driver file (I heard that on win-raid I think), but juswt a friendly warning!

Talk to you all soon!

Swick

 

Your work seems very interesting!

I wonder if you will have the time to do something similar for P775