*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

with kaby around the corner, I wouldn't doubt the price drops

 

If you click the configurator you'll see that's the price for a single 1080.

 

Do we have anything available yet to show us whether socket-mounted Kaby Lake should even matter to us? (Obviously, I don't even care what it means for BGA garbage.) The fact that it, supposedly, requires Windows 10 causes my interest to be extremely low already, and unless it delivers a really big jump in performance over Skylake I might even try to avoid it on purpose.

 

I think I have mentioned it couple of times here, no I did not buy from Prema partner, at that time I wasn't aware of the partnership.
XTU is the only way to OC, throttlestop OC works for 5 mins, i think its a bug or something. Please have a quick look on previous messages why iv been urged to use it

 

Might be I/O and power improvements (ie 4.5GHz skylake = 100w, 4.5GHz kaby = 95w or lower), it's not substantial in any way but some people want it.

I'll just roll what the newest stuff when it comes out.






Also, price drop is sneaky. I thought the 870DM3 price dropped to 2800 but that's because they remove 1x1080 from the machine!

 

Sorry, I haven't read every post.

And, here I am wishing Skylake had higher TDP, not less... LOL. I'd love to see it at least 130W.

Whether it is just more lies and marketing baloney from the Redmond Nazis or truth, I'm not sure, but that fact that they are saying Kabylake support require W10 is a real downer. The retarded warlocks at Micro$loth are really starting to get on my nerves in a very bad way with their Hitler tactics to try to ram W10 up everyone's posterior orifice.

 

Oh the configurator for the gpus it's on now, earlier this morning you only have the option for 2x 1080 sli and you can place the order for $ 2.7k. I guess was just a bug they fixed already


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Here to OC without prema bios mod (HID still says that prema is pending)


1. Set bios to 43/43/43/43 (1 bin above stock boost), set PL1/PL2 customer setting to 200.000 (without the dot, this sets power limit to 200w)
2. Restart and open throttlestop to apply your desired undervolt
3. Open "CPU Overclocking" from control center
4. Set to 40/40/40/40, click apply, then set 43/43/43/43 and click apply
5. Run OCCT large data set to see if the setting apply

 

The 120hz 1080p screen that came with my dm2 (B173HAN01.2) seems to have low response rate, my guess is that its around 25ms
It looked really blurry and smeary at 120hz like motion blur at first, then i compared it with a 24inch acer 25ms monitor, both at 60hz they looked exactly the same, my gn246 @120hz (1ms) looked much better, i think the 120hz is way too far from 5 ms.

Anyone notice the same effect?

Too bad I have a semi defective dark edge on the bottom aswell, tho im ok with it not really visible.

 

Did the place you buy from specifically say that the screen is 5ms?

 

I was able to overclock the new Eurocom Sky X92E and @Swick1981 P870DM3 to 4.7GHz remotely using Team Viewer without XTU installed. ThrottleStop worked fine on both machines as well, but the Clevo OC utility does not appear to commit settings to the BIOS permanently. It has to be re-applied after reboot. Until the Clevo OC Ulility settings are applied, ThrottleStop settings do not work. Once the Clevo OC Utility unlocks overclocking, then ThrottleStop does what it is supposed to.

I wonder if one could permanently flip on all of the OC mailboxes and registers using UEFI commands to write values? If so, those values should stick unless or until NVRAM is reset. That should allow ThrottleStop alone to do all of the overclocking.

 

This is my exact hypothesis that happened today.

 

Interesting.

 

I have seen it on this lounge, and it made sense since its pretty obvious, 25ms doesnt render 120hz, it should be way less.

 

welp

 

Was there an option to get a high response display from rebrands? I'm guessing the 4k display is slightly better at 60hz? I would be upgrading or replacing if so.

 

not aware of that, I think you have to buy aftermarket unfortunately

 

Thanks for the reply, well anyone coming from a 12ms< display avoid this model, my P150sm 85hz screen overclock is 100x times better. opt for the 4k display or gsync model. i consider this a ripoff as 25ms doesnt work with 120hz, i cant see the difference between 80 and 120hz at that rate.
Last purchase...
Hope it saves the day for someone.

 

Can the 4k panel for DM3 be overclock? Let say 75 hz or 100 hz.

 

There are certainly some practical differences, although specific to my case, it's more of a brand transition issue. I've had Clevos in the past, in fact, I also currently have a P370SM, but still remain, for a lack of a better word, shackled to the Alienware brand. That link I now aim to break, and to do such, I'll probably have to sell all the Alienware laptops even though I was originally planning on keeping the Alienware 18.

 

I have the 4k G-sync screen and it does not overclock. (well, 61hz is possible

 

Bear in mind response rate higher than 12ms is terrible for gaming, the blur happens at 60hz which is terrible, and smear at 120 also terrible.

I highly recommend any buyer to avoid it, don't fall in their trap, please have a look at a crappy office 25ms display to get the idea. The only thing I'm happy about is the good Color reproduction for a TN display, defiantly not suitable for gaming, maybe video editing and photo.

Any 120hz user around with the 870? How does it look to you..

 

We are actually changing the EVOC P870DM3 to offer a single nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080, so you can also get it with the 3K panel.

Please give us a bit of time to get that done...it will be done today.

 

kudos to you for taking the initiative.
just a heads up though, be prepared for a flood of questions from forum members

 

sounds like you deserve rma

I wouldn't accept anything but a free replacement for such a big imperfection like that

 

Have you already tried using different versions of GeForce drivers to see if anything changes? I noticed that in the earlier days around the time of its release the 75Hz 1080p screen in the P870DM-G sometimes had some goofy behavior with a few driver versions similar to what you mentioned. A couple of driver versions ran at 60Hz and could not be overclocked, but using a different driver it worked excellent. I also noticed that a few driver versions worked right under W10 and not W7 and vice versa. As the desktop 200W 980 and G-Sync enabled notebook drivers matured that eventually went away and all drivers were decent. Maybe with the new screens and Pascal being new, the GeForce drivers are not where they need to be for everything to play nice.

 

I don't see how relevant this is, just to note that it's about screen blurriness, even dragging windows around, tried Linux aswell by framebuffer and and official nvidia drivers, I also tested with external screen over DP and HDMI and looked totally fine. I'll cap using 240hz camera soon.

 

Waiting for its release for the DM2 model...

 

With 1 GTX 1080 which Heat sink will come with the laptop, the one for SLI or only the separated one for a single GPU like the DM2? I'm asking to know if I'll upgrade later I'll need to change the heat sink or not?

 

EVOC P870DM3 now comes with a single nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080. If that is what you want, then look at the EVOC P870DM3, but if you want nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, either single or dual, then that is the EVOC P870DM2, but since the 3K panels are in such short supply they probably won't but supported for a considerable time.

 

Would you have a preference for one versus the other? If you could choose, which would you rather have if the option is open?

 

It will come with the single card heat sink. You will still be able to get the dual card upgrade kit that will include the 2nd card, SLi cable, dual card heat sink, 2nd AC Adapter and converter box once it is released.

 

It's good to have the heat sink for the SLI with a single GTX 1080, if I need to get the second card I'll find the laptop almost ready? correct me if I'm wrong. And maybe the cooling will be more efficient.

 

Ill be upgrading to a 4k screen anyways as 25 ms is a joke even for 30fps gamers...

I think u have no idea what 25 ms is, or how significant. RMA won't fix it, and the dark edge isn't really noticeable.

Also I purchased this abroad and via proxy shipping, returning would cost and would be a matter of complicated process and time I guess, I'll try tho.

 

Got that Mr. Donald, Thanks.

 

You're probably correct. That big grid heat sink probably would be very cool with only single 1080. You could buy a DM3, remove one 1080 and keep it for a spare, or sell it, if you do not want SLI.

 

Isn't that just a DM2 with a DM3 serial number on the bottom plate?

 

That would be the p870dm2 then since it's only the heatsink which is the difference with the DM3. The motherboard is identical between the two.

 

Aye but with the 3k screen being the point Donald is making I think

 

The heatsink does add a fair bit of weight of course. With a single card the fans never go into high speed mode.

 

The whole 'screen saga' was really a mess this time and played a major role in me still being without a 'Phoenix', which in return is delaying the Mods...

I have never had the largest re-seller in the world as well as Clevo themselve giving out different information on a weekly basis...also pending NVIDIA g-sync certification had grounded all hardware shipments...

Here is what I have:

B173ZAN01.0 - 4K - 60Hz - AHVA (IPS) - 25ms - g-sync
B173HAN01.1 - FHD - 120Hz - AHVA (IPS) - 25ms - g-sync pending
B173HAN01.2 - FHD - 120Hz - AHVA (IPS) - 25ms
B173QTN01.3 - WQHD - 120Hz - TN - 5ms - g-sync

 

Oh finally some clarity. I feel like i should frame it hang it in my drawing room

 

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To be honest i like the single card heat sink better because the "grid" is more prone to having wrapped problems (being one single piece). And personally i dont like the plethora of thermal pads on the "grid", It makes the whole heat sink look like a ghetto mod.

 

Did I hear correctly that LPC Digital is/will be a Prema partner? If so, full blown mod or custom like Mythlogic's?

 

At least the alienware bga have all 0.5mm pads to make logistics easy

 

Probably best for Dell's customers The outsourced tech Dell use for home support, would probably make a big mess with several sizes of pads. The Unisys gang isn't the tech you want struggle with

 

Maybe also because the thin and light OCD people would be stressed out if the laptop was a 0.5mm thicker and an extra 50.0g heavier.

 

You don't see the pads with the heating on of course and the large black area looks nice and imposing to me

Plus it is the best cooler at the moment.

 

actually, it makes buying expensive thermal pads easier (fujipoly 17w/mk)

hope clevo make a heatsink with all same thickness thermal pad in the future