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Never been grounded in my life before

So many new things with reading more about a laptop...

Oh well...

I got to ask though: how do I find the right type of screw drivers to open a P775? I mean, don't know what to search for. Anything included in the package?

 

Many sites are reporting 90C on GPU...

What are some healthy temps and how to we get healthy temps on GPU after having a good paste job?

 

@iunlock


Liquid metal or bust imo

 

It's the same keyboard. Just different keyboard layouts. Not all countries have the same letter layouts. OEM's taking into account where in the world their laptops shall be used/sold.

 

Have you looked at my results? I'm getting 70-72C after 30 minutes.

Also shorting the resistors completely will force the clocks to 135mhz (low power state) on the desktop reference cards.

 

Ah, iunlock has the 775DM.


When I short my Zotac 1080 (3 resistor) it didn't go to 135MHz, if it did, you applied too much LM on the resistor. The objective isn't to completely short the resistor, but partially.

 

You are not shorting it then, a short is no resistance (in comparison to the rest of the circuit). In your case you are using the liquid metal as a resistor in parallel with the existing one to lower the resistance.

Terminology is quite important to stop people doing silly things in this case

 

o lol I see

so yea, 1/2 short the resistor then

 

Liquid Metal on the GPU will gain you a drop of 15-20C in temps if applied correctly with proper contact and on F1 Fans.

 

I recommend CLU over TGC for the grid heatsink. Repasted with CLU since it's thicker and I noticed the TGC was pooling up a little under the heatsink and leaving a few areas poorly covered and my idle max fan temps went from 34C to 32C, both around 70F ambient. Not a huge improvement, but every degree counts.

 

Looking for some thoughts or opinions. I'm between getting the WQHD and the FHD.

B173HAN01.1 - FHD - 120Hz - AHVA (IPS) - 25ms - g-sync pending
B173QTN01.3 - WQHD - 120Hz - TN - 5ms - g-sync

Obviously, the 5ms response is better than the 25ms, but I think I'll enjoy the IPS more than the TN. My wife currently has the previous gen MSI with the 980m and the 75hz IPS gsync combo and I've not seen or had any issues using that monitor for general use or gaming. I don't know the full specs of that monitor though.

How bad are the viewing angles on the TN vs how bad are the delays on the non-gsync FHD 120hz panel (since I assume the non-gsync vs gsync 120hz panels should look the same)?

The TN just seems like too much risk for the long-term pushing 1440p along with the potential viewing angle issues with most TN panels.

I guess my thoughts are to get the FHD 120hz gsync IPS and if I need to do more serious gaming (which I doubt) for whatever reason then get an external TN monitor

 

Anyone know if the keyboard on the 775DM3 is the same as on the 870DM3?

 

It is reported that the TN 120hz panels showing up in the wild are TN+WVA which stands for "Wide Viewing Angle).

 

So far the TGC has been excellent. My temps are amazing, sitting nicely in the 50's with F1 or 60's on stock fan profile. Both CLU and TGC are a coin toss for me and would be happy with either one.

Yes, every bit of Celsius counts indeed.

::iunlock::

 

You have a 775, don't you? I'm referring specifically to the monolithic heatsink on the 870DM3.

 

I am pretty sure they are the exact same keyboard. I can't swear to it, but if you can get a PDF of the service manual for both machines, part numbers are listed for everything and you could verify it.

 

@DeeX

They're the same POS keyboard

 

If you want a good laptop keyboard, look at the Surface book.

Performance wise it's stinkier than a turd (25w short/15w long/10w indefinite i5/7 ULV + 1/2 TDP 940MX) but the keyboard is bar none the best I've ever tried on a laptop.

 

edit...

When might we expect a full review or head to head of these panels?
B173HAN01.1 - FHD - 120Hz - AHVA (IPS) - 25ms - g-sync pending
B173QTN01.3 - WQHD - 120Hz - TN - 5ms - g-sync

Also... does anyone have a link to a TN "WVA" panel review? I can't seem to find one. I don't think I've ever seen a WVA TN panel in the wild so I'm unsure just how good the wider viewing angles can be.

I'm not really liking the 1440p option the more I think about it. Too bad there's not a 1080p 5ms TN gsync option.

 

I don't think "shorting" is bound to potential difference, short: lowering impedance by magnitudes. E.g: shorting or tiying a logical circuit input with ground/vout will drop internal mc resistance to trigger a circuit.
It could be part of the circuit, when the purpose is to remove the resistance it's shorting, wether it drops the resistance or not as there is no such thing as 0 ohm, however "purpose" of lowering resistance isn't shorting. Our purpose was to remove the resistance ( e.g <0.0001ohms) removing it completely would be a superconductor . Also gallium has low resistance afaik, it's basically like a wire jumper.(enough lower than 0.005ohms)

In this case, shorting the resistor pathway would theoretically allow infinite current, due to low impedance, that's the definition of short. (Gallium or any jumper would still have its resistance vary on load tho too minimal for onboard sensor to measure)

 

I'm not bothered by TNs limitation of viewing angles. 99% of the time I am looking at the laptop panel straight on, and there is no noticeable shift in color even at the edges.

I would love to have 120 Hz but my main concern is color accuracy as I do photo editing, so 6-Bit + FRC would be a concern.

 

It's in a compound and liquid, looking at the condictivity of a single element won't mean much.

Notice I knew people would bring that up so I said relative to the rest of the circuit

 

I dabel in a little photo editing but not enough to give up the prospect of a 1440p 120hz.
There is so much ambiguity in panels I find.
To be perfectly honest I felt my external ASUS VG248QE (TN 1080p - notoriously bad with color) with a little fiddling had better color reproduction than my old DM1's internal IPS screen. Then my old Alienware TN panel had them both licked...go figure hey.

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER gave me the tip of booting with a single stick to get it booting at higher memory speeds and then putting the second stick in. This lead me to also try it in slot 1 and 4 (Channel 1a and Channel 2b which gives dual channel).

If you are having trouble getting high speed memory booting then put one stick in slot 1 (next to CPU), plug in your timings and reboot. Shut it down once it has booted and put the second memory stick into slot 4 and boot up.

 

I thought at launch, they advertised the 120hz panel as 5ms, don't know what happened since then

I'd never get anything higher than 1080p on a laptop due to how small things look at the native resolution

 

I've just ran Unigine Heaven on Stock Clocks with a Max Temp of 69C. As far as obtaining healthy GPU temps, when you're over clocking your GPU, keep your CPU at stock clocks if your game does not tax the CPU. Also, try to keep your Memory speed as low as possible to aid in maintaining the best temps possible, because upping the Memory clocks usually brings about only incremental improvements in temps and even fps, which is not worth the trade off for heat.

 

Run it another 2-3 times and the temp will shoot to 85-90

 

It's on the second run now at 1080p + Maxed everything and the Temps at 72C. I'll run it again for round 3 as soon as this completes. Back to back to back.

Update: Round 3 in session...

Update: Round 3 just finished. Back to back to back runs....



Run 1: 69C
Run 2: 72C
Run 3: 75C

On the 3rd Run, the GPU Temp topped out at 75C as it did not move.

Update: Just for fun I'm running it a 4th time. Temps are topped at 75C.

 

With Delta 12v blower in centre:


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Guess I found an even better replacement fan for the crappy ADDAs. I replaced the center fan now with an Delta 12V blower fan which is the vga fan found in the ASUS G751JY, which is known to have one of the best and quietest cooling systems around. The fan fits very good inside the DM3 and pushes more air than the AAVID, which atm cools my cpu.

Only small amount of modding was needed. The delta is a little larger than the ADDA.

I will order now 2 more Delta/ASUS fans and put them inside the DM3 and will do some tests then. At F1 the Delta does not push as much air as the ADDA because it has a lower rpm but comes close to the ADDA as far as I can tell by holding my hand at the exhaust. But while the ADDA is sounding like a hair dryer the Delta is nearly inaudible, even quieter than the AAVID.

Don´t get me wrong, I understand that for people mainly doing benching the noise level is irrelevant; but for doing some work on this thing and especially gaming I find the noise these ADDA generate even at lower rpm absolutely unbearable. I wonder if Clevo has any QC at all. This experience will definitely influence my further buying decisions.

Fortunately, I hope I have found my solution to get along with the DM3, which is exept the fans a wonderful machine.

 

But keep in mind, the above applicable for p775dm3, but maybe not p870dm3

 

They didnt know the exact specs. And i think they still dont know for sure. I wont be surprised if a 5ms 120hz FHD is spotted in the wild.
But officially so far, they only panels with 5ms are the 1440p 120hz ones. I have decided to go ahead with this one. It seems like the best option at the moment.

Also if you really want only FHD, you can always get the old 60hz ips panel. EDIT: I mean FHD with G-sync

 

I realized that, however, I've been under the impression that the cooling system is better on the P870DM3 than the P775DM3. Of course one of the GPU's would have to be disabled, but it would make for a nice comparison.

I give all the credit to liquid magic and delid for the amazing temps on my P775DM3. Out of the box it joined the 100C Mile High Club within minutes.

At the end of the day, we all have the same GPU so I hope the information can be useful.

 

I've been hearing some news on the other side of the camp....

Would you be able to confirm that these new panels are indeed IPS and not TN?

 

AFAIK, only the 1440P panel is a TN panel with 5ms response time.
All other panels (including 120hz FHD) are IPS with 25ms response time.

PS> My only source of information is this forum. I do not have any external source to confirm it.

 

I was hoping this to not be the case as the QHD was what I've been waiting for, but if it's TN...well...only time will tell eh? It'd be nice if they were all IPS, but TN's do have the edge with response time. This is tough for editors like me who need a good screen and also like to game. How about a 10ms QHD IPS I'll take it..it doesn't have to be 4-5ms...most won't even notice the difference.

 

Well personally, i take the response time figures just as an approximation. If you consider external monitors even some of the 5ms response time monitors are not considered that good. the good ones are advertised as 1-2ms. So there is definitely more to it then just this figure.
Also i have heard that these QHD TN panels are much superior in picture quality then a normal TN panel.
I am not too sensitive regarding response time and picture quality. The main reason i got this screen is G-sync.

 

yeah I have that, but I wished for an upgrade you know so it doesn't feel like I'm only upgrading my GPU but the screen as well.

My favorite resolution for a laptop of all time is 1600x900, best size (without scaling) if I wanted to achieve the same size with an FHD screen that would be 125% scaling but we all know how sucky Windows scaling is.

 

I too take the numbers with a grain of salt. What attracted me to the QHD was due to me running 1440p on my 4K notebook screen and 4K external monitors as my daily driver anyway, yet with the benefit of a faster screen than the 4K to accommodate my gaming craze. It's been nice to finally be able to Max out all my settings on this GTX1080, while obtaining respectable fps for what it is...I'm a (100fps bare minimum) type of guy, but having 60fps fully maxed out at 4K is astonishing. For fun I had tried 1080p resolution and bam...200+fps...

If it came down to it, I'd rather have a higher refresh rate panel than response time...but that's just me...

 

We're eagerly awaiting the final results + some before/after db comparisons!

 

I understand. I wanted to have a FHD 120hz G-sync screen, but i have learned to not to get hang up on things. In a economy which is governed by what masses want, its very difficult to get what you want individually. I have adapted to being provided not what i want but what is available.
For me the biggest thing in a system is CPu and GPU, everything else is a nice-to-have. There was a time i was stubborn about all these nice-to-haves, but now i have learned to let it go.

I dont care about anything over FHD on a 17 inch screen. In my opinion 4K is definitely not worth it. 1440P is a nice compromise between resolution and speed.
The main reason i got this laptop is for future proofing. I am the type of guy who doesnt mind playing the game on lower settings. the difference between high and very high in most games is not that much. heck i dont even mind lowering resolution to achieve proper fps. In my opinion, the awe and surprise of nice visuals vanish after you are few minutes into the game.

 

I wish there were FHD High Gamut 100 Adobe RGB panels. Or even 6-10ms 1440p IPS panel with 90%+ Adobe RGB coverage.

 

Yeah that sounds awsome. But honestly iam ok with the screen choices and i dont have any caveats about the P870DM2 as full package overall. If i could add anything to it, i would add a VGA port. Other than that iam pretty happy.

 

Me too. The 4K panel looks fantastic, but it's sorely lacking in the refresh rate and response time departments.

 

Yeah. But isn't that as easy as using a cheap adapter ? VGA is an old analog interface. With quite a bit of signal degradation.

Damn right. It's a bliss to use in 3D applications, and / or Photoshop , Nuke.
In games it's painfully slow. Though I haven't played many games on it.

 

o, i thought you were running 1080 sli on p870dm3. my bad

 

wow, definitely let us know if those fans are capable of cooling the dm3 at full load. (if you could test it with overwatch, that would be perfect)

 

Ah no worries. It would be interesting to see how the temps are running the same test on a P870DM3 with one 1080 disabled. 90's even with a repaste? I want to know if the heat sink will do it justice or not as it is much bigger than the P775DM3's.

 

At 160W average load on a single card I reach around 75C IIRC.

 

Had the chance to see and test the 4K AUO panel today,... Was buying an microUSB cable in a shop and they has an Acer Predator with the same 4K display...

At 100% it is unusable... Way too small.

At 200% some of the apps scale well, while others don't, for example Steam doesn't scale well at any scaling, text is blurry...

When something is sharp, it is really sharp, but when something is blurry or is not scaled at all, it's really awful!

Acer predator has a meh keyboard, but the best touchpad I have ever tested in my entire life. Could replace my mouse with that touchpad. My Razer Ouroboros mouse...

All in all, I advice windows to fix their stuff, 4K displays are awesome, but if something doesn't scale well, it really looks awful.

More thoughts on Acer Predator: I could not test much, only play with display and settings, but for one thing, it is really sexy in person.

I had noticed that black problem with the 4K display, and one thing... The difference between FHD LG IPS and 4K AUO is much smaller without professional usage than the difference between the Lg FHD IPS and day to day cheap TN displays... So people owning the FHD display, rest assured, you get a great experience. 4K is not worth it on windows right now, it can't scale things well enough, and 200% is a direct multiple, this should have been smooth.

Another thoughts :

- Acer Predator has lag in operation. No idea why, but it does.

- That frost core thingy on Predator is a gimmick.

- The design has very amazing parts and very lame parts too.

Still haven't seen a Clevo in flesh and bones, but I'm eagerly awaiting the moment when I will get one. All in all, if Predators would come with the CPU, GPU, and modularity of Clevos, I would really like one. But a 980m, 6700hq (mobile) and soldered parts, all for the price Clevo has on 1080 + 6700K is not a fair trade just for the design... Still love the design though.