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wonder who can do this for me

resellers please confirm lol

 

Are the fans really that bad? They do spin to 5200rmp right, and that's in manual mode. That's alot. Aren't they fine on auto which only spins them to 60%

And if we're comparing them acoustically to MSI then they really need to be compared at the same rpm and then measure which is actually pushing more air.

If the max rpm of the MSI fan's are 4500 vs 5200 that's quite a big difference to simply say they are quieter.

 

for some people the noise is not tolerable

I don't mind the noise, I'd sacrifice more noise for faster fans even.

 

I was talking about the older GT80, not the GT83VR, those run at 5160 rpm at least, highest rpm for those fan's seen so far

 

What needs to be modded are only the replacement fans and not the chassis or mainboard fan connector.

The Delta is MUCH more silent than the ADDA at the same rpm. However the Delta needs more voltage to reach the same rpm level. Therefore the ADDA pushes more air at F1.

Maybe @Prema can find a way to change the EC to give the Delta more voltage. As it is a pwm fan it would idealy need 12v at F1. However, as xmg pointed out the current EC provides lower than 12v even at max.

What I find funny is that some guys in here are so certain the fan noise is no problem without owning the notebook yet and having heard the noise it generates .

The problem here is not only the noise level but the quality of the noise (whine).

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I don't either. As long as they are doing their job. If quieter fans exist at that same speed and cfm rating then I can understand a desire to upgrade to them. However if either are lacking there is little point.

Either way, I wish Clevo machines gave us better control over fan curves and profiles.

 

You need a lot of air over the three heatsinks to remove 450-500W that the machine can consume.

If you need a quieter machine I suggest the single 1080 as the machine should never have to spin up to full speed even under 100% load and will have more fin area and fan size for that single part compared to any other machine.

 

Unless it's loud enough to wake people up at night, or constantly pick up in my mic every time I speak (meaning it'd have to be louder than my two Lasko fans), I'm perfectly fine. Lasko fans:

 

A closed door stops the noise just fine

 

My wife cannot sleep at night when the fans are at max because of the noise - through a closed door and on different floors..

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I was basing this off of our wood and 0.25CM glass door. We do have carpets so that can make a difference, your doors may vary

In the UK houses do tend to be made better.

 

Your wife sounds like my aunt, and the reason why I have to shut up for 12-14 hours per day in my house.

I suggest earplugs if she can hear the fans of a laptop on another floor through closed doors... or thicker walls?

 

And I guess in the UK they also make higher quality cars than German ones, right?

To be fair, we don´t have carpets and my wife has very good hearing. For what it´s worth, she never had a problem with DM1.

People in here who never had the chance to "listen" to a DM3 should just picture leaving a hair dryer somewhere in the house on at night, I think this would be a fair comparison. Some may be disturbed by it and some may not.

I generally tend to buy high quality products. It´s a 3 year old house i´m living in and I don´t think the problem is da house or how sensitive my family is to noise.

The sound level of this laptop is simply put nuts, period. And this is not because of high rpm fans (they don´t go as high as 5k rpm by the way) but because Clevo chose to use cheap crap fans on an 5k notebook.

Unless Clevo puts a sticker on every DM3 stating: "for benchers ONLY!" it is simply put rude to bring out such a product and ask 5K+ for it.

I bought this notebook because I want 1080 SLI which allowes me to be able to game AAA titles at 4k at a constant 60fps maxed out. Benching does not interest me. Out of the box it is not possible for me to enjoy this notebook. It´s a pity that it whould have the power, but, well you know the rest...

 

Getting a two 1080 machine and expecting it to be quiet in a notebook form factor when running at the same clocks as the founders editions (which are just as noisy in a pair) is a bit unrealistic.

As I said the single 1080 version will never have to ramp up the fans to max and is an ideal option for those looking to lower noise.

It works perfectly fine for 4k games though, what trouble are you having with the performance? It will be maintaining it better than any other machine out there.

 

Are both P775 and P870 single at about the same levels of noise?

Also, SLI and consumption of ~500W explains the noise on P870DM3 (SLI)

 

The P870DM3 should bit a bit quieter as it can run the two fans at a lower RPM for the same cooling on the GPU.

 

Meaker, I understand that you defend the products you are selling. But I am in the process to prove that it is possible to run a 1080 SLI notebook with decent noise levels by investing another 150 Euro in ASUS fans... It could take a while until i´m finished, however.

You misunderstood me:
The performance is there, it´s the fastest notebook around. The only problem I have are the fans.

Single 1080 is not enough for 4k. And if I chose a single 1080 notebook I would go for the GT73VR, even if the die hard Clevo fans in here might not like to hear this.

 

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Did 3 runs of heaven now with maxed out fans (Fn + 1). See pictures for temps on the 3rd run.

Benchmark was executed in 4k max settings. No OC on CPU or GPU, no CLU, no delidding, no repasting or changing of pads yet. Paste used is ICD.

CPU is cooled by AAVID fan at about 3150 rpm. GPU1 is cooled by ADDA at about 4300 rpm (this is the maximum this fan can do, no way near 5000) and GPU2 is cooled by ASUS/Delta. As the mainboard only reads the rpm of gpu fan1 I cannot give you the rpm of the asus, I would guess it´s around 3000-3500 rpm. Exhaust of the ADDA seems to have higher airflow, but not much. GPU2 cooled by ASUS seems to run about 1C hotter, however both gpus are cooled by both fans at the same time (vapor chamber), so the gpu temps are a mix of the performance of the ADDA and ASUS.

GPU1 (ADDA): 82C
GPU2 (ASUS): 83C

CPU (AAVID): 76C

Mind you, the temps are alsways higher when running in 4k compared to FHD, so temp results are not comparable.

Unit is elevated a bit by small notebook feet. No stand used with additional fans (see picture).

Unit is already noticeably more silent by - to use the terminology of Mr. Fox - "exorcising" 2 of those 3 ADDA fans out of my case ;-)

 

I'll do some footage recording but since I saw @HTWingNut and his temps in metro LL I thought I would run some 1440p tests myself, my max temp was 90C which is where the auto fan profile gave way to the full fan which then brings down the temperatures to 80C at stock with a solid 1823Mhz core clock. I'll test with a nice overclock and see what happens

 

Can anyone with the single 1070 confirm if the heatsink is the same with the 1080?

 

no one claiming noise of 60+ bd even in single gpu machines doesnt matter represents any customer base any laptop maker is interested in.
Clevo should not make resellers do all the work to fix this.
a better design would save every customer 100$ or more

 

FN+1 should run the FANs @ about 80% or a little less on stock EC.
Maybe someone can run a multimeter and check the voltage, should be 9-ish volt.

 

I bought a GT73VR for someone in family. but with a 1070. the thing is silent even under load.

problem I have with it is less space for sata, this useless raid with 2x 256GB nvme and that they use the ancient display port 1.2.
there are games that look really great and are not demanding (overwatch gets 81fps in 4k on a 1070 laptop card) and those run well enough today to go beyond 4k 60hz.
it's such a bad move that it pissed me off.
Notebookcheck hides this fact or they didn't realize it or think it doesnt matter.
but it matters. because msi puts in 1.2 display ports even on 1080 versions.
so you can't go beyond 60hz even if you use an external monitor.

I'm pretty sure even their 1080sli model has just 1.2 display port.

this was my reason to even look into CLEVO since they offer at least a 1.3 one.
as soon as 4k 100 or 120 hz displays are out there, or HDR and 60hz 4k (which I guess would also not work with 1.2), people will realize they bought castrated hardware...

I may have misread something. so if Clevo also only offers 1.2 or if MSI offers more in their SLI machines, my bad. but I think I'm right.

 

While it would be great to have the best (and quietest) fans, I wouldn't want the base price to go up, which this would do.

I don't really mind a hard mod, if it makes it better. I wonder if the discussion about changing fans of the stock ones coming in the machine is a regional issue?

Perhaps this is a poor analogy, but in the States, there is a very large aftermarket for 3rd party auto components. If you don't like the audio system, no problem. There's a 3rd party shoppe that can change this. You don't like the crap tires you get with the purchase, no problem. Another shoppe for that. Perhaps you don't like the sound profile or the looks of the exhaust system. Yet another shoppe for that.

So, for me it always seemed like this would be the case with Clevo laptops. Over the years, ppl have added tiny heat sinks all over the place, taped copper pennies or small pieces of aluminum for make shift heat shields, used all sorts of TIMs, dremel'ed all over the place. The list goes on and on.

I never had a problem with sometimes making a custom mod to a vehicle if it was more to my usage pattern, and to me the same thing applies to tech - be it a smart phone, desktop, network appliance, or even a Clevo laptop.

 

I believe it is just the single heatsink from the 1070 SLI setup and a spacer for the 2nd slot heatsink.

 

I respect that idea, it seems like turning a Clevo to be a Harley Davidson way of life. It's good for a segment of users, and it's not for others.

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So what's the general consensus on using the Control Center. Is it still laced with XTU and wreak havoc with fans ?

 

Exactly, just as if you don't like the stock components of a Toyota, you can either mod it or take a look at a Chevy or Dodge. If you don't like what comes in a Clevo, you look at something else or you change it.

There's no reason to make it an all or nothing type of issue. Some ppl can live with certain things and others can't. It doesn't mean there is a right or wrong here, but rather what *you* as the individual accept.

 

Maybe you shouldn't play games at nights. Rather use your beast during the day when all is up? And I think your wife prefer that as well

 

Meaker are you sure on that? I thought it would get something similar to the DM1 980D Heatsink.

 

Yes

 

Thanks for the advice, Papusan, but I already did so. It´s amazing what crappy fans can do for ones marriage

 

Yes, you get the 1070 SLI heatsink with a piece of mesh to protect things getting in through the vent.

I have had no issues with XTU and fans by the way, yes it's integrated but my fans have been reacting as you would expect.

 

You don't notice them spin up randomly despite the CPU not being under heavy load? That's the main issue we experienced with XTU

 

Not that I have hit into. The only spin ups are a background scan or windows update. Otherwise it's a smooth if somewhat aggressive curve to get it down to 40c. You can modify this of course with a custom fan profile.

 

I feel about Windows update and background processes as Mr.Fox feels about BGA. I despise them!
First thing I do with a new laptop is eliminate all those unwanted windows processes, disable firewall, only thing I keep is windows defender.
Software management helps me achieve a little boost kind of like how most guys overclock their hardware.

 

Can you guys post dBa levels when you do 4k max gaming on this unit.

 

What fans you buy for p870dm3?

 

I hope that @Mr. Fox is fine, I didn't see him for while.

 

Oh' He is here http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-and-dell-garbage.791103/page-4#post-10349948 ++ other threads as well

 

I'd say you are on to something. For the fan connectors you are buying, how are you modifying them or are they already good for the clevo fan pin layout? I plan on getting a single 1080 and modifying the fans if they are unbearable.

 

Just search for "ASUS G751 fan". I tried the vga variant and will also try out the cpu variant later this week.

 

This one?
http://www.laptopinventory.com/ModelDetail.php/Asus/G Series/G751/Fan/37200

 

I just cut the cables of the fan and the cables of the adapter and connect the 3 cables to each other in the right order: black: mass; red: current; yellow: rpm

 

No, sorry, search for: G751JY. It is produced by Delta and must be 12v.

 

So I am close to buying a CLEVO P870DM2 for video editing and some gaming. I've found a lot of conflicting opinions on 1070 SLI. Does anyone think it's worth it or stick with the 1070 single? I know the laptop is a beast, but I really like the size and ports available. The GTX model isn't available until late October, and is about the same price as 1070 SLI which I can get much sooner. I've also learned the FHD 120Hz panel is TN? Can any owners confirm of the color/viewing angle qualities? It's so hard to find any information on this model besides this forum.

On a similar note, does anyone know how easy it would be to just swap the screen out for a FHD or 4K IPS display?

Thanks everyone!

 

Great choice.

1070 SLI is a waste of money. Don't get SLI unless you're getting 1080s. Since you're asking whether 1070 SLI is worth it, you'll end up with SLI working about 30% of the time in new titles, if so much, and usually not very well either. Get a single 1080 in the P870DM2.

I don't understand what you mean by "the GTX model isn't available". This makes no sense to me.

The 120Hz 1080p panel is AHVA, and the response time is garbage, so you might as well ignore it if gaming is your desire. The 1440p 120Hz panel is TN, but should have 5ms response time in general, making it a good choice. I know not when it will be available, but expect soon™.

The panel should be plug & play. Remove old, insert new, boot system. However I can't imagine why you want a 25ms b2w, 35ms g2g 4K 60Hz, non-OCable-due-do-bandwidth-restrictions (past 64Hz anyway) panel for the purpose of GAMING, especially since you're considering 1070s and not 1080s.

 

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