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ok so, how does this particular fan perform against the original clevo 12v fans?

 

So this will fit good? Just tell us about temperature and if working better than "Adda ****ty fan"
Thanks Bro

 

Does anyone know if the lids are the same between the P870DM and P870DM3? They look visually similiar, but I'd hate to take my laptop apart only to find out it doesn't work. Thinking of building my own display assembly for swap out with 4K.

 

Thanks for the food for thought! It really helped me out. When I said GTX, I meant to say GTX 1080, my bad.

The back of my head kept pushing away from 1070 SLI, and so I've decided on the CLEVO P870DM3 with a single GTX 1080 and 1440p panel.

The reason about the potential 4K IPS display was for color accuracy around 100% for video work I do, but with your comment and just realizing I should just plug a color monitor in for specific work, I'm not too worried anymore (unless this 1440p panel has just the worst viewing angles/color reproduction). Gaming should be very nice though with G-Sync on this one though.

Should have it around mid-October! Very exciting stuff. When it comes in I'll try to post some pics/videos/performance reviews.

 

Fan fits quite good, a little modding is however needed. Regarding performance see my temp report under heaven.

If Prema can give us 12v for the fans on his biosmod I am sure the Delta will perform better than the original fan (ADDA) and be also quieter. Atm with stock bios the ADDA performs better by a small amount because of higher rpm.

 

delta fan is for the asus or msi?

the msi is avid

 

It depends on which games you are going to play, the 1070 is still pretty strong so even slight scaling will give it a big advantage over a single 1080.

 

Yes, certainly. However that's why I said "new" games. Most new games I've seen at the least require NVPI-esque hacking to make SLI work well, or you wait months for a half-baked profile to come out. I firmly believe that the ~30% benefit of the single 1080, especially with a decent overclock on the oversized heatsink the single 1080 gets, should give a more average-joe-type person more mileage out of their gaming.

Of course, he/she's free to do as he/she likes, however unless there's a pretty drastic change soon in how devs are coding their games etc, I think single strongest GPU is just best as long as it gives +25% over the GPU under it. If the 1070 was 15% weaker, I'd say 1070 SLI go right ahead it's half the price.

 

Yeah. Either single 1080 or same graphics in Sli!! Not a half baked setup

 

Perform better in terms of noise level right? In terms of temperature, since cooling depends on air flow that both the adda and delta fan produced, I don't see any reason why the delta will provide better cooling if they're having the same rpm since rpm is directly proportional to air flow. Unless the the blade/impeller on the delta fan is bigger than the adda fan. Could you please provide comparison temperature between both fans.

 

DM & DM2/3 use different LID model.

 

Can you please qualify these remarks a bit?

And when I say that I mean when you say the response time is "garbage," are you saying that it's no good if you're someone who is planning on playing competitive-type games?

Because I have my eye on the NP9872, but the only games I would ever play on the laptop screen itself would be things like Civilization, Stellaris, Crusader Kings, Total War, games like that. If I were to play some of the more high demanding/fast pace type games, I would be using the laptop at a desk hooked up to an Ultra Wide 3440 x 1440 Dell.

And also at the end there you mention a 1440p screen, but on all the websites I don't see a choice for that screen with this model. Are you saying that you've heard it will be an additional option soon?

 

After many hours of looking into this, here is the solution to open the OC CPU RAM app in the control center.
It seems that if you install Windows in some languages it wont work, here is a guide on how to fix this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-control-center-oc-cpu-ram-app-not-working-read.796478/

 

As in ~25ms.

 

I mean, that it is 25ms black to white response time, and potentially 35ms grey to grey response time (uncertain; never tested by a site like Notebookcheck which does these things properly). This means it's not even fit for 60Hz, far less 120Hz operation. Ghosting should be aplenty, and it generally won't be nearly as nice a 120Hz experience as other monitors will provide. Even my monitor made in late 2010 is superior in this respect, though its colour range coverage and viewing angles are not (though that doesn't nearly compensate for response time).

I would say you should probably play games like crusader kings and civilization and Stellaris on the ultrawide, and play demanding/fast-paced games on the higher refresh. Many games don't do 21:9 very well at all, and 120Hz is better for those titles. I'd much quicker suggest getting the 1440p 120Hz panel for those faster paced games and playing the ones you already mentioned on that ultrawide.

It isn't being sold yet, but it will be added to the configuration for this machine. 1440p, 120Hz, 72% NTSC colour gamut, 5ms (at least black to white) response time. I don't know how grey to grey response time will fare, but since I can barely remember ever seeing ghosting on my current screen at all, I'd say I know it's possible for a proper response time out of a laptop panel. It remains to be seen what the 1440p 120Hz will REALLY do, though. MSI advertised their models with a 120Hz 5ms chi mei panel, but it's a TN, 7ms b2w, 25ms g2g panel and thus pretty bad for 120Hz-ing (or even 60Hz-ing in quite a few cases), so we have to wait and see who's lying to us and who's not. The 1080p AHVA 120Hz was listed as 5ms everywhere too, but it appears to be 25ms, and no official specs can be found anywhere online as of yet.

It's really damn annoying that so many OEMs are just finding new ways to screw us over.

 

When my 4k lappy comes in I'm going to spend countless hours re-writing EDID's, trying everything toasty's CRU has to offer in every combination possible to overclock that screen!
I'm going to restart the laptop no fewer than 210 times I'm sure.
And when I finally give up ( assuming I fail). I will hate even looking at the damn machine and wish I'd never bought it!

Sounds like fun though..can't wait!

 

Ain't happening. It's a bandwidth limitation on the eDP port/cable. It's like trying to get 1440p 144Hz to run on HDMI 1.4a; it ain't happening.

 

NICE IT IS WORKING . I think it is a bug with clevo control center. I had the same problem with french lang.
It concerns all european regions at minimum. I think it is good only for english speaking and asian languages...

 

I been busting my head around that for more than a week.
Spanish language works without that guide so it does not concern all EU regions.
If i have time i will try to fix the app instead of the Region workaround.
I remember a similar situation in a software i used to beta test.
For now im just happy my Portuguese clients can now use the app...


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Yup, that's sounds more than likely..but..
The panel is listed as a 4 lane displayport 1.3 on the official AUO pdf datasheet. The gtx1080 is also displayport 1.3.
I have no doubt Nvidia control panel will never let that fly but there are many other ways to try the overclocking.

 

Hey every P870dm3 Owners, I found out something about the fan control problem.
We should get a way to have a 100% silent laptop while doing idle things (like browsing the web, music, videos and so on), well, 99% if you have a hard drive..
To reach that, I spent hours to get in mind how control center's fan management works.

First , we all know that to get the most silent laptop in light-processing tasks , the custom fan tweak on the control center is the best solution.

But when the 3 fans stop, the temps rise a little bit. especially the GPUs one since there is no way to undervolt it, as HTWINGNUT did with the cpu. I found out that the custom parameter does not only manage the CPU fan but also the GPU1FAN. Wich means the GPU2 (or slave GPU) fan is managed directly by the EC/bios. This is why in custom settings there is no way to get a 100% silent laptop while doing small tasks.
When you tune the custom settings for example 70°c start temp, the CPU and GPU1 fans will never start until they reach this temp (impossible to reach with low power tasks), WHILE the GPU2 fan will sart running LONG before(after 50°C I think).

So I conclude that the control center made by clevo does not manage for the moment the GPU2 fan when you choose custom settings. They forgot it was a sli configuration, didn(t they? maybe in a future update I hope. Maybe there could be a solution to bypass that.

Just a last thing which GPU temps do you usually get while you're browsing the web on chrome for instance?

I easily get 50-55°C with sli enabled , and ...a 4K screen (maybe it is relevant to precise it... ^^)

 

John Obsidian, do you think you can fix the GPU2 fan avoidance by control center when using custom settings?

 

I've got another problem with the speakers, when I start a sound , just 1 second before I've got a weird sound (the same sound when you plug a microphone jack on an already-on amplifier (you know what I mean?)
Is is doing this every time. It has something to do with the drivers i thnik...
I installed Xfi MB5 application, maybe If I stop it, it would stop too. But with a 4000+ € laptop I rather prefered not to see these kind of annoying issues...

EDIT : Thanks John, it seems working by changing audio format.

EDIT2: wrong, not working, as i made more tests

 

Not sure, i have tons of stuff to do in our website.
I will try to confirm your findings in the next days.


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Isnt that your player changing the audio format?
Set audio to 16bits 44.1khz tell me if it fixes. I have had that problem and i fixed it easy, i just dont remember how.
I will test that too.


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Sounds to me like you've got XTU causing problems in the background. That's some of the goofiness I encountered with the DM1 -
Fans not always being controllable by the CC.

 

nope, I've got the same problem even with XTU uninstalled by Revo.
Just to precise the differences between your experience and mine. You're talking about the DM1, I'm talking about the DM3 , which is SLI. The other thing is that I'm only talking about the custom fan mode. the automatic works well, but fans never stop. And as they are not 1st class quality, you hear it very easily. This problem i'm trying to solve concerns ONLY custom fan mode, combined with SLI builds.A brief summary : the GPU2 fan is not ruled by the CC in custom fan mode, whereas GPU1 and CPU fans are.

Regarding XTU, I found a way to install the latest version of control center without installing XTU. when you extract the CC RAR version, just tweak the oem.ini in the new folder before installing and put 0 instead of 1 on the line "SupportXTUFanTable=1", then click setup. Not xtu after reboot, thus no CPU-DRAM-OC app.

 

We should have a thread with a first post including most benchmark results, they're very hard to find when actually looking for them ;_;

 

That's unfortunate. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll have to take apart my current display or wait until there are parts available.

 

I tried to set audio format, rebooted, but same issue ...

 

FYI you can also update the bit flag in the configuration file after install and it will show up.

 

Similar to this? http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/crackling-noise-from-speakers.790164/

 

Uninstalling XTU even with Revo didn't solved my fan issues, only a full format did

 

Even nuking windows didn't save me. I had to nuke then CMOS drain more than once. CC is toxic. The problems seem widespread but all to do with fan behavior. I'm too scared to touch CC once I get my DM3. I'm done with doing multiple installs to have things working as they should.

 

There is nothing in CC you need. Almost everything in the bloat isn't useful. Maybe the Oc fan profile, but not needed as you can use Fn+1. You don't need more Entertainment/quiet mode... What a joke. Haven't people heard about TS or win power profiles?

 

I´m doing a full sweep on all units, one by one, been reporting problems and workarounds, guess i need to jump to the P870DM now.
Will report back soon.

 

what is TS? and winpower profiles?

CC is useful because I have no other way to underclock my processor and make custom fan profile. Have you?

And i can't stop hearing about prema bios. is there one for P870DM3? how to get it? is the EC update included?

 

what were you fan issues then?
And just a thing, now i suppose you have no install of CC in your laptop, so your fans run automatic every time?

 

TS = Throttlestop. You find the software and the TS guide in the forum. You can Underclock/ Oc or whatsoever with that tool(even make and use 4 power profiles with a single key Comand on the fly). Tag in @unclewebb in search box and you will find post from him(TS autenthor)Windows power plan is where you put balanced vs high performance settings. For @Prema bios you need purchase your Clevo models from Prema partner shops.

 

too late , i was not aware of prema bios before buying.... you sure there is no way to get prema bios ?

 

what about CUSTOM fan profile? It is very useful indeed

 

With the correct power settings for processor + good thermal paste(I use Liquid ultra under and over IHS)..., You can just use automatic fan profile and same time use FN+I if you need max fan power. I don't need and don't like the CC Bloatware!! But that's me

 

Nope

 

Fans used to spin up randomly even when system is idle

I have CC installed but vx.50 not the later ones that have XTU built in

 

Iiik I didn't know you wanted Bloatware

 

I want to control my lights so I can over clock better

 

Oh' Well, maybe I should try the same? Would have been nice with 5.2 GHz or even higher clockspeed Does it matter which color I choose?

 

Sure there is, but not right away.

 

That's not for us to say. It's entirely up to Prema. In light of past transgressions I don't see a public release being made available download.

 

Well, that's a shame for the rest of us who don't get a Prema partner. Will his vBIOS files (for the GTX 1080) be made public?