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replacement parts aren't stock to sell usually, so they are indeed expensive.
Yes i 100% agree that its not software alone that is the cause of the noise, its pretty much the fan, tho it would have been so acceptable if software worked properly, it wouldn't be as much as noisy, the noise isnt linear with fan speed, its actually marginal increase on 3k rpm.

The screen selection is just a joke, and that matters to any person. (wanna hear a joke? Disabling motion blur or enabling does not affect anything in games, why? thanks to the new "
Thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal display" technology achieving whopping low 25ms pixel response.) its worse than you u can imagine, i know TN suffer from viewing angles, though this is just the worst, as i had used many tn display before. Example: Right now im centered on the display, if i close my right eye, left eye will see gradual dim from the right of the screen, and vice versa)

 

For both of you ^_^

P775 is MUCH more silent than my Acer was playing the same game at the same settings... It is just noisy when idle with the wrong settings.

And I'm not a fanboy of anything, believe me, I had second thoughts on buying one of these due to the problems I've experienced with the unit I tested.

Software is buggy, especially Clevo center thingy. It is noisy (less noisy than it's concurents doing the same things). To expand, An 980m laptop might be more silent, but P775 is more silent than that in the same task. It is just noisier while idling and noisier in full load (but in full load it usually does more). It is about as noisy as a noisier desktop computer or so.

My spl metert measuers a 60DB noise floor of the block I'm living in ad full blown fans measure up to 71 DB in P775.

Anoter app measures up to 30DB for the noise floor (more believable?) and 40 db for the full blown fans at head level. 48 DB max, exactly near the vent, if the air is not blowing into the microphone directly. Which is about as much as I would think it sounds like in reality. For P775. Measured with a smartphone + a few different apps.

Now, is that noisy? Well. it is noisy. Especially the noise at idle levels. Noise at load levels depend a lot on game or activity. CPU fans are much noisier on P775, and GPU never goes above 70C with ~20C in room, but CPU reaches ~85 C or so with full load.

This is why I keep asking for what you would need it..

My wife's 400$ i3 Acer is dead silent. It does not make a single sound. NOT a sound. My brother's LGA Lenovo i3 is noisy, about the same as this clevo. All laptops. My Acer VN7-791G was much more silent in load, not as noisy in load, but on another frequency (high pitch, and it was disturbing too).

 

Don't go for TN display if you need colors.

75Hz display is pretty good, 4K display is amazing on this laptop!

 

As an owner of 3 clevo laptops over the years i respectfully disagree..

I would recommend to redo the tests properly to understand what 60db is, and what noise floor is. The test done in the German site had noise of 30-40 db, dB is not linear.

the P775 is indeed almost 2x much more silent from my speculation, there is a difference between noisey and audible. by noise i mean loud enough to hear from everywhere, the noise is not air moving or white static noise, its a whine, and there are 3 of these whiny fans, and they should not run at full speed except in very rare scenarios as a safety/perfomance feature, e.g room is 30-35c.

I think it would be misleading to others for spreading speculation thoughts as actual hands on, i own x7200, p150hm and p170sm-a and they are all LOUD!
"Lenovo i3 is noisy, about the same as this clevo." this is very triggering mate. Seriously now? a single (even dual slim fans) i3 lenovo fan is as loud as 3 cheap vibrating fans that has motor whine? thats a very biased speculation. Ill try to record the difference between once i get a good mic

 

Had to use that i3 lenovo for a week. It's so very noiy for how slow it is. It is 3rd gen but still...

Also, P775 does not run hot at all. It will run hot only if you run benchmakrs, in usual usage it's actually much cooler than any other laptop I had (60C on GPU, 60-70C on CPU)

 

I understand but there is a difference in loudness between , i remember my old i3-330m VAIO with a noisy fan, its really whiny in quite enviroment, tho its unlikely to hear with some noise or even fans next room. a 30 inch outdoor fan with whine issue is noisy and loud! a tiny pc fan is noisy but not really loud in certain scenarios, u cant compare 3 beefy clevo fans with a tiny slim whiny lenovo fan.

You're questioning something you haven't experienced and im trying to make it clear for you, you don't really know how loud they're, especially when compared side by side to other old clevos

 

I personally would not recommend the single 1070 P870DM2 to people, it's there for those who have something specific in mind later or want the option to go SLI in the future but it will be louder than the other desktop models with the 1070 during gaming. (Also to some noise is simply not a factor they care about)

The single 1080 on the other hand has the beefier heatsink which means the fans should never need to go into the full FN+1 temperature range.

EDIT: I have seen no evidence regarding the fan replacement to suggest the machine can run at full tilt with 3 of those fans. Once I see proper testing then we can talk.

 

I'm having a P775 with me, testing it.

It is noisy, but much less than everything else at the same settings doing the same things. Please understand this, you run dota 2 same settings on another laptop, the other one will be noisier, or will have throttle. But this clevo can do more at the cost of noise. After having solved the problem of noise with the help of everyone here, I can happily say that a P775 is stronger than everything else and is more silent than everything else.

now if you don't need to render videos or play at 4K why would you buy it? Why would you use a DTR if not in need of one or if you can purchase a PC?

And that Lenovo is very thick and noisy, about as thick as clevo, or something like that. I have no idea where my brother found it, but it's not a nice laptop lol. Build like a tank though.

I'm actually understand what the issues are, just saying that I too would not recommend this laptop to everyone. Heavy, big, thick, hard to use, needs knowledge, noisy. But the most powerful. You can easily buy an Acer or Asus with similar specs and lose an amount of power along the way and be done with it, if you want to.

I need a workstation not a laptop. Found one. Was problematic. Solved it. NBR and anti BGA squad wins!

(Can't actually mention everyone in this post, but @Papusan , @Phoenix , @Mr. Fox , @iunlock , @ajc9988 , @Prema, @D2 Ultima , and everyone else who helped me have given useful responses that really helped everyone along the way!)

Let's stop for a second and either chose a lower power one or use those as we can. I sure would love Clevo to make much better laptopys, but I'm happy to say that a modular, nice looking, fast DTR is good enough.

It is not a final product, but more of a prototype. But so is everything else after a price point. See audiophile summit fi or high end products that are extremely expensive, complicated to use, and uncomfortable, or heavy, expensive easy to break DSLR cameras. The question is what you need really. A smartphone camera can make extraordinary photos with some patience, but won;t make a DSLR quality photo. Still good enough for official reviews and for official product marketing and official usage.

I'm not defending Clevo one bit, their software is bad, there are questionable parts about the entire ting, but I'm happy that they exist and want them to improve and make better things for us. Let's not forget that past Alienware = Clevo, while the new alienware are 16GB Max RAM laptops... I consume that for a single image I'm editing. ^_^ .

And don't be hateful towards me, I'm neutral. Or chaotic at worst. But I dislike most laptop producers at the moment, with a slight liking towards older dell (nowadays dell are just bga and cheap laptops with ULV CPUs). I'm one of those people who will tell you that you're wrong for liking a workstation with ULV CPU and know what he's talking about, but I recommend ULV for most people who don't need power, and who actually need battery life.

A friend of mine can use her laptop for 5 hours without AC power and she loves it, while it gives her just the right amount of power she needs. I can barely use a P775 to do what i need to properly.

Let's not forget that Clevo does not sell these directly for a reason, and they are named OEM for a reason. You can't but a laptop directly from Clevo, it tells something on how complete they are software wise.

 

Keep it relevant to the topic - we had to remove some posts. When you start talking about stuff other than the topic, that's a clue it probably shouldn't be here.

Charles

 

Well that's three people on my ignore list. I can't wait to get my DM3 to hear all of this noise I keep reading about. If it is really that bad, the DTR goes back. It's that simple.

 

Ok just to clarify things here:

1)I never said i wanted or expected a silent or quite machine
2)The laptop worked properly at first even on the most demanding load, it was very audible but not even close to annoying (altho the fans are still whiny at low speed and proven that theyre cheap, bad bearing etcs)
3)After install Clevo CC (installs XTU) fan table got corrupted, on automatic, fan no longer goes over 2k rpm which is really low, there isnt even sensible amount of air from the exhaust (both gpu and cpu load)
4)and thus i have to cram the thing full speed (fn+1) which is very loud, unless i own a dual 1080 like some mentioned.
5)u cant ignore the fact that its a defect
6)u cant ignore the fact that the fans are very bad

Hope it clarifies things up. peace...

 

Thank you!

Maybe it's my fault for talking in P870 too instead of staying only in P775 thread, but I originally wanted to buy a P870...

The Clevo Center and other Clevo problems are in every thread and are interesting though. Plus most rules for P870 apply to P775 too (at least so it seems).



Sorry if I'm a straightforward person but I actually wanted actual owner impressions for P775 before getting one and now I'm sharing them. This is what to expect. At least one day of installing, learning, assembling (If you put in RAM and HDD and SSD yourself) and some things to install. The result afterwards: 98% - 99% of a desktop reference CPU in all benches!

 

Apologies for any insult i might have added, thank you for your understanding

 

The LCD panel options are a fiasco across all brands. The TN hate is astonishing this is not a desktop realm where we can have the ASUS 144Hz 4ms IPS panels nor the 1ms 144Hz TN ones either.

Read through old posts where we have absolutely ZERO options with the real 120Hz panel, Only "good" not "best" 120Hz are MSI Chi Mei in GT73VR FHD TN & The upcoming AUO QHD TN, which didn't even make it out since the Ngreedia's Ransom GSync certification. It's not that simple to believe in numbers but its the response time that makes the calculated result and eligibility to do past 60Hz or even 60Hz.

The IPS options you will be having for this whole year and next year won't do real 120Hz at all. Period. Deal with it.

It's the marketing ploy and people just falling for the numbers/buzzwords, Alienware advertised GSync 4ms 120Hz on FHD and QHD on 17" and 15" but now the options are only limited to the 17" QHD and 15" FHD I can bet those are also TN. SO there's a choice to make IPS 60Hz or TN (not really 120Hz but does the job) 120Hz.

 

that was an interesting read.... anyway... i assume the tidbits about very poor viewing angles on a TN panel are unrelated to the new QHD 5ms TN... since again I assume no one even has that in hand yet to test?


edit... we must have posted at similar times Ashtrix... can you please elaborate on your "not real 120hz" QHD comment at the end?

 

Although this is the P870DM2/3 thread, our machines are all blood related, so for those who are worried about temps etc., go search my threads and or posts with my screen shots showing my temps. Problem solved.

My GPU while gaming on KF2 with intense scenes (taxes the GPU) stays very cool under 60C. In fact last night the GPU with F1 fans was at 48C as I was amazed myself. The CPU temps while intense gaming on Maxed out Settings at 1440p as was 60C, 60C, 61C and 62C.

Granted this is after a delid and repasting with Grizzly Conductonaut, but still... I am firm with my opinion that these power houses are not for the novice. If you plan to just want something to run out of the box, look elsewhere. Clevo's are for those willing to put in the time and effort to tune it. Yea yea, it shouldn't be like that I know, but I'm actually glad to be able to tune it myself. That's what counts toward the overall experience. - However, as I've mentioned this before, this does not give Clevo an excuse to slack on QC. We all know that it exists, but the best thing that we can do is to help promote positive change as oppose to fueling the obvious issue with negativity.

Again, avoid judging these machines based on stock out of the box temps. Heck when I got mine my temps were 99C. Yes no joke. I've posted screen shots of it, go search...

But now the Beast is running cooler than my previous bga machines in relative terms with this being a Pascal and 6700K. That speaks volume.

As a teaser...(please to go search for my screen shots and tests)....here's my 30 minute OCCT run.

CPU Temps: 57C, 56C, 57C, 53C

This is all pre-Prema btw...

 

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well I agree, this laptop certainly doesn't work well out of the box especially if you don't have the Prema BIOS and VBIOS and EC firmware. Also crappy driver downloads from Clevo at super slow speeds that often fail to even download

 

Nah desktop IPS 4ms panels arent true IPS, theyre AHVA panels advertised as IPS, and thats coming to p870dm soon, read a few posts back

 

Yeah clevo is dead, thanks to prema for making them out alive. Ill just sell it (cant be returned as its abroad).

Poor people who aren't aware of the Prema partner thing, this should be PSA around to avoid people buying Sagers for example if they want a proper machine for the amount spent.

 

That is correct, no one has the 3K panel in hand.

 

Since Clevo CC crapware applies more models than just 870DM3... It's important with all sorts of info bro. Therefore You are on topic here in this thread as well!! People need to know about the Crippled CC and all the problems this software make. Clevo need to fix their software!! NOW!!!

 

and ban these crippled fans! Return the good fans back! No more ADDA

 

Here look at these posts & you will understand what I was saying.
Full Panel Info Below

And I'm grateful that Clevo & Prema exist, It's because of the Notebook Enthusiasm is still on first lines. Period.

& Thanks to D2Ultima for his contribution. Also @hmscott could you please post again how the numbers make up with response time for the refresh rate, I cannot find that post of yours, thanks.

 

Oh wow, what did I miss?!

 

I don't know. I tried making a salad and I managed to make a waste of food, and I came back to a monster post.

 

Yes I also hardly ever notice a difference between 120hz and 60hz on this panel (its the 25ms one) compared to my 1ms acer 144hz predator, except when it involves mouse input latency, it is very noticeable.

 

I forgot to mention....

High Temps on the CPU side is more so on Intel's part so blame them for over volting the CPU in order to hide within a buffer to cover their inefficiencies.

Yes, Clevo is to blame too for their lack of engineering, but an Under Volt is pretty much mandatory on the CPU.

It will make a World of difference.

By the way, I'm running OCCT right now(Stock Clocks and Under Volted -225mv) as we speak with F1 OFF on the stock fan profile:

CPU Temps: 67C, 67C, 67C, 64C ....Again F1 Fan Profile OFF.

Under Volting the CPU is mandatory.

 

The NBR search is broken, I noticed this yesterday, I thought it might be another indexing session and maybe it is, but it's still broken 24 hours later - so I can't search for the post either:

" NotebookReview - Error
The search could not be completed. Please try again later."

Briefly, the minimum panel response time required to completely draw a frame for current panels:

60hz panel => 60 frames per second => 60 frames over 1000ms => 16.67ms

120hz panel => 120 frames per second => 120 frames over 1000ms => 8.33ms

If a panel's refresh is 25ms then the maximum frames per second it can redraw is 40 frames per second => 40hz

Some have mentioned seeing 40hz as an option in the Nvidia control panel, as that is the native refresh rate for their screen.

And, that is why when running at 120hz that 25ms display will smear images, and it's why owners are reporting this problem with their 120hz 25ms screens.

There are different components to the redraw of a frame, some will "refresh" faster than others, making the image appear to be fuzzy, or smooth, instead of sharp and well defined.

 

I want to post a little thing about P775. Please erase the post if it is Off thread, but it might apply to P870 . Sadly, I can't test a P870 to confirm, but good to take this into account.

The audio on P775 is.... One of the best in this world. Talking about the headphone out.

Don't take my word for it, go ant test yourselves!

Coming from using the likes of Chord Mojo, Chord Hugo, and other super audiophile products, I actually plan to sell every other DAC / AMP when getting a P775. It's this good.

The dynamic range is slightly compressed with the settings I'm using, but the levels of detail, soundstage, clarity, treble, bass, everything is so much better than any other DAC/AMP in a resonable price range.

Would still need a Fiio X gen player for walking outside, but for computer audio, this thing has a solution that properly configured can easily be in line with a 1000$-2000$ DAC/AMP. Don't know about the power supply though, since P775 doesn't have dedicated specs about the amp, so it might be lacking in power (probably this is why it has a line out), but the DAC is purely incredible..

Don't take the last statement wrong. For 64OHM headphones, the power is more than enough! So most consumer level headphones and even more than half of audiophile level headphones won't need more amping.

I don't know why this isn't known to the audiophile community, there are 2000$ - 3000$ DAPs out there, and this laptop sounds really close to them O.O

Oh well, those of you prospecting to purchase it, remember than I'm very skeptical to everything before testing, my reviews are known to be fairly skeptical and I judge devices cold blooded. If I make a review for P775, it will be cold blooded too, but the audio part is really something else than I expected

Also, every jack on the motherboard is incredibly firm, including USBs.

To sum this up, P775 is the perfect multimedia laptop. Yes, multimedia. My movie viewing habits equal to about 2GB of vRAM and 70% - 90% GPU usage on this one. So pretty much it can give multimedia consumption to the user fairy well. Please remember that madVR doesn't work with SLI, so there's only desktop XEON + titan pascal to go above this for more performance.

Again, not P870, but P775. Still amazing results in audio might be the same for P870. Tested an Acer Predator of about the same price and it didn't come close to all these things. It did work out of the box though, so you know, pick your poison.

Oh another thing! The keyboard screws can be removed and entire keyboard removed on P775, without taking it apart. At laest without taking heatsink out. was amazed to learn this as even the manual stated otherwise. Well, the place is fairly small, but it's doable with the right screwdriver.

 

Have you ordered yours or still waiting around to do so?

 

Having one to test, preparing a review (no money won, just as a hobby).

I'm about 100% decided on it. Seems the only true way to go for the kind of power I need.

 

Well, a solution has existed for a long time, I use compute servers, render servers, and build servers, with my laptop (or desktop) as a front-end.

I let all the noisy multi-CPU + high speed storage work be done in that noisy datacenter (or closet in the house) - far away from my ears and other senses.

Remote logins, or remote job submission (various tools for this by discipline) work fine. I don't miss the high speed fan noise and constant IO blocking other interactive work I am doing.

I guess we could gussy them up, and call them " eCPU's"

But, that's how I got around needing to have a desktop CPU in my laptop for all these years. The top laptop CPU was always enough. More than enough to do local builds and offline work.

eCPU's, wow, I wonder why nobody's asked for "eCPU's" before now...only "eGPU's"...

 

Cost issues, data bandwidth issues, latency and other stuff would be problematic in my case.

Also, madVR needs a strong GPU in place where it processes. madVR needs 1080 to play movies at 3-4K with good settings.

Is it worth it? YES!!! (If you try madVR, there is not going back )

But your idea is very elegant. Extremely tidy and neat. Would love to do this sometime and just carry a tablet, but I'll probably always need a strong GPU render and CPU render with me due to my work. For example, some brushes movements in large resolution images will result in lag with a computer that is not strong enough, and it's not possible to process photoshop or clip studio with a data center

 

Datacenter is just a word for the noisy place to put servers, they are PC's and can have all the stuff you would put on a local desktop / laptop, but instead pump it up to 11 - a bunch of GPU's and CPU's and a load balancer to share all the like resourced servers to a group of people.

Or, just 1 noisy server in a closet at home. It doesn't even need to be a rack mount.

Then set up some Windows or Open Source remote console access and there you go, instant mega solution view-able / workable from a gaming laptop - anywhere in the world.

It can be done for anything. You just gotta think about it and plan it out.

I still want a good fast CPU / GPU, something around an 8+, I will leave the 11 in the closet / Datacenter.

Here's somebody thinking of doing the same thing with Adobe Premiere renders off-loaded to the noisy servers:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2145094

And, I'm sure you can focus on the search on your specific needs to find someone that's rolled their own solution that you can duplicate. Or call Adobe.

It may take more than one license, or sharing a license from a license server, but I've done that - used the license while setting up the jobs, then released it to the pool for use on the DC server(s).

You may be able to use some upcoming tablet, I've done it with some success, but I prefer the laptop set up with mouse / keyboard / etc as my interface rather than a touch interface - but in a pinch I've solved critical problems - or stopped and parked them from a tablet - kinda frustrating, but possible.

Of course, you can still do that with a desktop CPU / GPU laptop, it's all the same thing

Edit: There are still a bunch of Xeon CPU's floating around that are dirt cheap, support 2x CPU motherboards, and are little render farms unto themselves with 16 cores / 32 threads.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3smipw/psa_thousands_of_cheap_e5_xeons_flood_ebay/

There are a bunch of these build videos, Linus has one too :

 

Totally like your approach. But I actually need power not to render, but to edit XD

Make a test: Open a 20K x 20K pixel new blank image on Photoshop, add a few add-ons, then try to add a few layers (~20 layers). the brush paint action gets laggy, before the computer needs to render the image.

 

I have several different kinds of TIM's coming in (liquid metal and "normal") paste. I also have over 15 tubes of Arctic Silver (I know, I know, I purchased them awhile back on sale). So I will be ready for my beast.

 

I don't do benchmarks.
I am not a full tilt customer.
I just want to play games.
rarely any game will go 100% GPU and CPU at same time.
I want it as quiet as possible at "80% tilt" instead of being able to overclock the sht out of it with hair dryer noise.
people should get options based on their use case.

right now we only get the option to gimp ourselves right out of the box or get the full power potential but done with punishing noise the 99% of the time when we dont even need that power.

I'm ok with loud if I encode video or something.
during gaming I want to be able to have reserves for sudden spikes in texture or shader density. not go 4k max on everything.

my point is that they should offer 2 versions. one for 110% overclocking, one for 95% but quieter. if the thing throttles at 101% I don't care.
a lot would care. but the vast majority never overclock.
why not offer fans that are quieter but can't build enough pressure to cool massive overclocking?

it should be the fiddlers and overclockers who should have to mod.
not the normal customers.

Clevo approaches this from the wrong angle

 

I feel bad about being a bit harsh before... used to twitter...

I hope the QHD 120Hz will show the same improvements other TN panels have made this year.
the MSI GT73VR 120Hz 1080 TN screen is amazing.
88% AdobeRGB, can be calibrated to be extremely accurate.
high contrast, high brightness. and it's a 1st gen 120Hz.

it's not because MSI is great. it's the technology maturing.
TN has improved a lot.
I don't think this QHD 120Hz will suck.
the only thing TN doesnt do well is viewing angles. and I couldnt care less about those.

 

Spoiler: My Thoughts

I guess we either have to choose which path one wants to invest MSI SLI with less TDP, quieter and better control center but costing 5K or Clevo full-blown balls to walls (Prema Powered) machine at somewhat less burn in wallet. Pricing the stuff & the Components we only have 2 options sadly due to the duopoly, As a consumer so many trade-offs with this Notebook scene why ? Desktop people would bash the whole notebook gaming as if they are consoles and really the people who buy the gaming machines 90% of them are ignorant and the rest 10% are here with MSI and Clevo now, Alienware unfortunately made a 180 degree hot solder shift, leaving us in this position & forget those ASUS GX800VH/ Predator 21X.

So yeah we got the best now what ? Lets collectively weigh the choices / options and fixes to the problems both HW and SW & Embrace Heavy hardcore mods like Meaker's GTX Power limit removal & hope the OEMs make some improvements for the next refresh and yeah things like MXM fiasco should be brought to notice else history repeats and Loss.

So Let's stick to the first option & Prove the Desktop flock naysayers to the mobile powerhouses false, Linus's recent " Phoenix 2" debut already cracked their shiny new armor. Profit.

 

I don't think they're dead.
Gaming laptop market is exploding.
Clevo simply MUST UNDERSTAND that their former niche market isn't a niche merket any more.
The tolercance for ****ty design and buggy software that exists among benchmarkers (who are responsible for not pushing them to be better) does not exist in a mass market.

Clevo can blow everyone out of the water if they stop treating the current market like it's 2006.
it's the current year! (props if you know that meme)

Resellers need to pool knowhow and bully Clevo into making better decisions.

nvidia said they sold 9x the notebook GPUs in the last few years than before. and last 12 months 3x (or was it 5x?) some insane number.
Pascal could be a gold mine for Clevo and resellers.

but Clevo decides those "benchmarkers" who they think is their only customer base can handle the noise.

People using a laptop as a DTR are increasing. Clevo must understand they need to adapt and produce a product that does not need insane amount of research and expertise to make it work.

If they do not adjust, and only then, they will get wiped from the market. I think they have 1 or 2 more years max before some other OEM will emerge.

they act like a desktop case builder who thinks they are the only ones who sell desktop cases to resellers.
the market is opening up. It could be a golden opportunity for them to take over

 

Well I can't wait to see what all the fuss is about.
As long as auto fans work (ramp up and down) as they should for gaming I'll be happy.
I'm not a fan of excessively noisy fans, but if they're doing their job that's what counts first to me rather than the other way around.

I don't like using FN+1 under gaming so I'm interested to discover how I get on with them. I having a hard time hearing they are this bad. But I'll be the first to say that I think they are excessively noisy for the work load they're tasked with if that's the case.

If I simply can't tolerate them I'm guessing we'll have our resident scientists at TI to give good advice on modding. Additionally if the MSI fan's are that much better at the same CFM I'm sure we can put our collective heads together and try and group buy some from a manufacturer.

The only thing that I really want from a Clevo at this point in time is fan mapping control via BIOS.

Going off my old machine the fans barely needed to spin under gaming to tame a 4.7ghz OC and a 970m OC. The actual chassis design is exceptional with airflow in my opinion. It won't be a cake walk with the 1080D. But something someone has already pointed out is these things run hot as hell on a desktop and are extremely loud with the reference cooler.

 

forgot who said faster RAM is a great idea.
I was kinda meh on that point.

but doing some more research, in 2015 German site computerbase found in Total War: Attila that ddr4 3000 Ram got 47 fps on minimum fps when 2400 RAM only got 43 fps.
that is a massive difference.
civ beyond earth was 76 vs 71fps. also very noticeable.

so higher quality ram may be very beneficial if the machine can handle it.

so here's my question: does the P870DM3 boot with 3000 RAM?
most resellers dont even offer this ram.
I can buy it in Germany though

 

That may have been me who said it was still well worth it for some games. But really @D2 Ultima has led the charge with advocating quality RAM for gaming and has also parted a wealth of knowledge.

 

here the new Tombraider increased from 57fps minimum to 67fps minimum.
that is *massive*
end of the video.
it seems strategy or in general more CPU reliant games profit more.
but some more consoly games show some very noticeable increases in minimum.
and it's the minimum fps that matters a lot more than some high averages that get even higher

would be great if some reseller could test DDR4 3000 RAM if Clevo's board can handle it.
I've ordered a prema bios with Hid evolution.
if it doesnt work there it wont work anywhere I'm afraid...

edit: so many typos

 

3000mhz RAM will definitely work. Due to Meaker@Sager mentioning earlier in the thread the other day I have a feeling it will need to boot with 1 stick first, launch into windows, apply bios settings, reboot, add remaining sticks.
This was necessary with the DM1 too.
I had previously read the DM3 supported 3000mhz straight up so I'd be keen to get this clarified 100% too.

 

Don't think that's needed... Clevo says 3000MHz straight up. Meaker was manually OCing his RAM, so it's different than a G.Skill XMP let's say.

 

Awesome, cheers for putting that to rest. This is indeed good news. I didn't like having to do it the other way.

 

On P775 things stay okay... There are 20C or so in the room I'm in (autumn weather in Romania XD)

GPU - max 70C, CPU max 75C real world stress usage (madVR + CPU render). It gets a bit higher in benchmarks.

Noise when idling is okay after tweaking things a bit as @Papusan adviced me to, just turning all XTU related profiles in autoruns and then using clevo center to adjust the fans to overclock or auto. All in all, heat and fan noise is not problematic in the least during this time. Cannot say how it will be in summer though

Using RAM of 3000 MHz means you have to pay attention to the CL latency.

This should help a lot on deciding what sticks to buy!!!



https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ePJLHhrAUMZFBnc05TLUZMYzg/view

The file this youtuber provided is very useful on calculating the lowest time you can get and the best performance you can get with RAM sticks.

 

Mmm he simplified it well for the average joe, but I think it's a little off for people like us. The latency is indeed how long the RAM takes before it refreshes and essentially "completes" its previous task, yes. However there is a difference. While the effective bandwidth (per second, let's say) is very important, know that there's a couple different things:

Firstly, the latency is how often the RAM does something, essentially. During that time, its frequency is how much data it handles. Some programs like that higher frequency, even if delay is not so great. It's why I say if you can find mostly equivalent effective bandwidth between a lower speed RAM and a higher speed one (for example, I believe 1600MHz cl8 and 2133MHz cl11 are similar; the former being ever so slightly better) you should take the higher speed one. Honestly I'd say mostly it's bad program design that does it, but it's still true. However if you're really strapped for cash, then don't worry about it. He's indeed right in that basically the same performance will be there for less $$.

Further to the above, if you're benchmarking say... RAM speed, in things like AIDA64, faster speed will yield faster numbers, as it only checks the per-cycle bandwidth and leaves latency as a separate number. If this in particular is what you want, then you know what to do.

Simply put, he's not really wrong, but it's just a little different. Know the difference! =D
And know that quad channel > dual channel > single channel. Always get dual channel if on mainstream chipsets and always get quad channel if on enthusiast chipsets.

 

There's also Dreammachines.pl