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We have a few options in EU to be honest and they are all good guys! (Spoken with almost all EU resellers)

 

I ordered from Donald@HIDevolution and included 3000 MHz RAM. I had to ask specifically for it, but it may be an option on the website now (I haven't checked). I should be receiving it sometime in the next two weeks. I'll post about it when I get the machine.


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the 2666 i can buy in germany are cl18 or worse. the 2800 are cl 18 or worse. the only 3000 so dimm i can buy has cl 16 18 18 43
gskill
so it seems a no brainer to choose the 3000 gskill CL 16 18 18 43

 

They want it that way. If you know it exists, you can get it. If you don't know/don't care and won't ask, then fine by them; from what I hear it's a bit hard to acquire.

Yes, this is correct. I don't know what G.Skill is thinking. I wish they'd put more effort into their RAM timings for notebooks.

 

That HEDT setup of yours is fantastic ! Bookmarked.
But that Dial Phone, Made my day !!
Also gratz on the DM3.

 

Haha! Thanks man, my basement is straight out of the 1950's with that phone and faux wood wall.


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Any gains will reduce as the speeds increase, and there is usually something to be gotten out of the stock ram of course. If you everything else in the machine up to top spec then by all means go faster.

 

So, any chance of Volta working with these?

 

How important are the other 3 numbers?

CL 16/ -> 18 / 18 / 43

 

That is the million dollar question right there. At this point, no one outside out of Clevo or Nvidia knows that for sure. Based off the information flowing around here and elsewhere on the interwebs, there is a 50/50 chance.

Some would argue that Clevo can't be trusted since they left the owners of the OG P870DM-G high and dry and they would likely do the same to the DM2/3 owners. Others would point to the present idea [fact?] that since Clevo designed the current MXM boards for the current crop of DM2/3 units (Nvidia no longer creates reference boards for the MXM spec), they will likely stick to this form for future MXM cards.

My personal belief is that Clevo realizes they made a large portion of the P870DM-G owners very angry and therefore will allow, at least, a single GPU generation upgrade after Pascal. I also believe they will still have a "DM4/5" that will offer the latest Intel 200 series mobo and other functionality.

The next question should be if they allow Volta, how much will it cost? I wouldn't be surprise if the upgrade cost $1200 per card. That price alone would keep me using my 1080 SLI for the next three years, hahahaha. [Edit: This is coming from a man that does upgrade his DT GPU's each year, so go figure that out.]

 

I wish I knew, but I know it matters. The less you can get the better, though cl is more important than the rest I think.

 

there are a total of 13 latency timings, all of which can be finetuned to get more speed outta your ram. usually, only about 1 to 6 are listed when buying ram, mostly just the first or the first four. some of them give more of a performance boost than others, and 12 ouf of the 13 have to be adjusted to lower values to reach higher performance, whereas one is ideally maxxed out. i always keep forgetting the names, so lemme look it up real quick and ill come back with more info on this

edit: alright, here we go -

the most performance u can get out of the first four (CL, RCD, RP, RAS), as well as RFC and command rate. all of them should be fine tuned to the lowest stable value possible to achieve best performance.

on the other hand, REFI should be tuned to the highest value possible, since that timing basically defines, how long a ram module is supposed to "wait" and let operations / calculations be done until its memory is refreshed. thus, the longer the time / the higher this number, the less the interruptions by refreshes and the higher the performance

i recommend one complete run of md5 as a quick check in windows for stability, as well as one overnight run with memtest. make sure to only test ONE timing at a time to be sure which value is potentially hampering stability. i know this is time consuming, but ram is a ***** to get the most out of and overall performance returns are very meager, so only do this once everything else in your system is maxxed out (as @meaker already pointed out) or youre just bored and want to continue tweaking stuff

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If you buy a machine with non gsync model, the only way to get gsync is to get a gsync mxm gpu and gsync certified screen?


Or is there a way to work around this?

 

To use Gsync on the laptop yes you must have the specific certified screen and the gpus. There is no know work around to my knowledge.

To run it externally you only need a Gsync monitor.

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Hello I have posted my issue in this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm2-problem.796611/

Didn't know about fn+1, so far it works tho anyway to reduce the speed since it's pretty loud compared to stock?

Is there auto toggle?

 

Should I wait for the fix or release? Or just replace it with P775dm? Hid support offered me return option as its "Clevo" issue. I went for the p870 for thunderbolt and future sli upgrade.

I'm ok with the fan sound, but fn+1 is unnecessarily loud especially at idle and browsing the web. It also used to be better while gaming without being that loud.

Thank you

 

I am holding fire atm. My p870dm is good enough for my gaming needs. Cept some vr games its just a shame theres no deffinate answer on the upgrade path specialy for the gfx cards in the future. After i switched from my m18x r2 i really had thought the p870dm would be with me for a few years atleast.

 

No, wait. This laptop was released with an immature BIOS/EC IMO and Prema BIOS will surely get it on track. It's a beast of a machine, please bear with it for a while

 

Any idea when is the fix released?

Thanks!

 

Nope

 

hmm alright


is fn+1 hardware based or is it triggered by software?

do you need to have the CC installed to use max fans?

 

You can do it as soon as the machine boots. No need for CC

 

I think its time to summon the god of clevo notebooks.


@Prema, Do you think the issue is related to bios and can it be fixed with your bios? the issue in question is as follows:

 

The newer HotKey will propably fix it. What version are you P8 guys using?

 

I'm using CCC version 5.0001.0.83

 

Look for v88

 

Clevo's website is still offering 83 from 9/20 or where do you mean?

 

CC strikes again.
What confuses me is that the issues show up for some and for some it works just fine.

 

check with reseller websites, they sometimes have newer versions. for example the mysn/xmg driver repository. equivalent of phoenix 2 is named xmg u727 there

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Anyone have any idea exactly what panel is in the MSI GT73VR?

 

eGPU Preliminary tests.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-534#post-10354119

TLDR' : Get a 1070 if you really want to go the eGPU way. Will be way cheaper than investing in an MXM 1070/1080.

1080 is maxing out the interface. At least i think so, after the first few tests.

 

Only problem with eGPU is all the extra crap you need and it's no longer portable. I think it's great work and a great alternative, but I'm still hoping for some MXM 1070 SLI/1080 for our machines.

 

True, my GPU will be going in my desktop soon, so not really a problem for me. But im never going to spend $900 for a $400 GPU. (1070) Or $1200 for a $650 GPU (1080)

 

MXM has always had a big premium and with the desktop cards going up the MXM ones were going to too.

 

Its totally an artificial premium and its gone out of control for this generation... In effect, upgradable laptops are dead.. Better to just get a BGA one with 3 year warranty and when it dies get a new one.. The warranty covers you properly in case of failures...

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It has always been about twice as much for MXM. There is a bit more margin for nvidia there but also the development costs are higher too.

 

Yes, greed will never ending. Only a much much lower sales can stop this unwanted behavior. If people rather purchased Real cheap ChromeBook's thing will maybe change. Or they only purchase a new laptop every 5-6 years. That would also help.

 

Yesterday I got the ASUS CPU fan delivered and tried it out right now in the DM3. If one does not want to do any modding to the DM3 chassis I recommend using the ASUS CPU fan to replace the ADDA CPU fan und using 2 x ASUS VGA fans to replace the 2 ADDA VGA fans.

The ASUS CPU fan only needs slight modding because it´s shorter while the housing of the ASUS VGA fans needs to be shortened a little (no big deal).

On Fn+1 the ASUS goes as high as 3900 rpm while the ADDA does 4200 rpm. The ADDA pushes slightly more air at max than the ASUS, but I would guess that at the same rpm both fans are roughly equal in cooling capacity. The ASUS is MUCH quieter at max, I cannot hear the rotor/bearing at all while the ADDA produces high pitched rotor whine.

I will order now a second ASUS vga fan to get rid of the last ADDA in my chassis.

I do not recommend the MSI AAVID fan as a replacement any more because its housing needs much more modding (Dremel).

Maybe @Prema finds a way to mod the EC to give the ASUS fans a little more juice at Fn+1 to reach lets say 4500 rpm.

By the way, the ASUS/Delta CPU and VGA fan seem to have the same motor/rotor and the same speed at a given voltage.

 

The fan controller will be giving the full 12V at 100%, that will be the max rating of the fan.

 

This contradicts to a statement XMG made a couple of days ago that the ADDAs need much less than 12v at max. Maybe you could clarify.

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DM2/DM3 models don't use 100%/12v on FN+1.
It's more like 9v or even a bit less (depending on EC revision)...

@Meaker maybe you can check actual FN+1 voltage with a multimeter?

 

I'll break out my multimeter @Prema

 

So it is a fan issue aswell... my friend's gt83vr has the same specs as mine but with sli, 2x1080 and much more silent aswell.
thanks for the info.

Corrected to 83

 

GT73VR only have 1070x2 or 1080x1. Sure you're not mistaken?

 

My agilent U1232A reads 12.21v at FN + 1.

That's impressive considering msi don't ship a 1080 sli gt73 only a 1080 or sli 1070.

 

Becoming part of the problem and contributing to the delinquency of OEMs is not the answer. Better to buy nothing and let the BGA filth rot on warehouse shelves. As long as dummies buy BGA filth they will keep selling it. While punching them all in the face would be a whole lot more fun, punching them in the wallet will be more effective and nobody has to go to jail for assault and battery.

 

Thanks for testing!
Interesting, what's the rpm shown in HWINFO and the EC revision?

 

Yes it's the 83 sorry!

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4,250-4,300 RPM

1.05.04

 

Maybe because the fan is sending back different RPM data the EC compensates by using lower voltage?

Need some datasheet on that ASUS GPU/CPU 12v fan to compared with the ADDA Clevo (has no datasheet AFAIK) @Meaker@Sager .


Curious how the fan on ASUS perform compared to the ADDA at same rpm.