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The 11 CFM CPU fan that was used in the M18xR2 ran 4300-4500 RPM but it wasn't very loud... ever.

 

So the mainboard seems to provide indeed 12v to the fans at Fn+1 already, as @Meaker has measured. This obviously means that the max speed of the ASUS is 3900 rpm.

I don´t think this is a real problem, as the ASUS performs quite well at this max speed. However, for benching maybe the ADDAs will provide lower temperatures, as far as I can tell maybe a couple of centigrades, for sure low one digit numbers.

I did some games in the last couple of hours and I do not notice a big difference in temps with 2 asus fans now inside the chassis compared to the original fans. I will do some more temp testing when the 3rd ASUS is inside;-)

 

You replaced your Clevo fans with ASUS fans?

 

Well, I replaced the original ADDA fans of the DM3 with Delta fans, found in the ASUS G751 but maybe also other brands I don´t know of. I am quite happy so far with the replacement ;-)

 

Were they a precise fit in the chassis, same thickness, etc?

 

The Delta/ASUS are little bit thicker at the exhaust and the vga version is a little too long, so I had to shorten it. The mod isn´t too excessive.

The most important part: the chassis of the DM3 has not to be modded in any way and stays in it´s original state. The investment is about 150 Euro, I bougth 1 cpu fan and 2 vga fans of said Delta/ASUS fans.

I still have to replace one vga fan in my chassis. When I am done and everything works out (i.e. temps are in range) I will write a short howto if I find the time.

 

But the Alienware 18 uses like 2-3 CFM fans lol.

Weird thing I notice, the fans on Alienware 18" machines are much slimmer compared to the heatsink. Clevo seems to use almost same width for their laptops.





@bsch3r - The fan you speak of seems great in performance, but surely there exist a place to buy for a much lower price?

Both CPU and GPU fans from ASUS/Delta use the same blade/motor to get similar performance yea? So there's little difference (if any) if you buy the CPU side or GPU side fan?

 

I know at least one person used an 11 CFM M18xR2 CPU fan in his Alienware 18. And, on top of the low CFM they are further crippled by the EC to run 500 RPM less than their functional capacity to help the Alienware 18 seem quieter. Even if manually forced full blast they run 500 RPM less than capacity and not loud. Between Secure Flash BIOS cancer and the gimped fans, it was immediately obvious at the release of Haswell that retards had infiltrated the Alien Base Camp and things have only gotten worse. Now the brand, and literally everything they offer, is just a joke... an empty shell of what used to be a respectable brand.

 

Will you be able to post a few pictures of the mod ?

 

But Dell's engineers thought it made sense to run the fans at full speed during flash of bios. What a joke. Offer unlocked i7 Exreme but cripple the cooling. Oh 'well. The next more damaged models... The BGA MODELS got Battery boost in addition to crippled fan control. Yeah, Dellware's engineers are innovative and know exactly what their customers want!! Now with even thinner models. Apple should begin to be worried. Their tech is soon outdated duo M$ and DELLIENWARE's hunger after being the new Apple!!

 

Let's not joke about this XD

I've been in an electronics store day looking for a phone.. Still deciding between Huawei Mate8, Huawei P8max and Xiaomi mi max.

I had the chance of observing Apple's latest invention.

There was a laptop that was so thin, you could cut butter or bread with it.

The only thought that kept lingering in my mind was just... Why?

Let alone who would want that / need that / buy that.. Just why... P775 is thick and it's a sexy machine... just so sexy...

I won't say that a 13" apple thingy wasn't sexy, but there's absolutely no point in a passive cooled laptop that costs over 1000$. It's either a tabled, or a phone... That was neither.. Worse problem is hat MAC itself is not as lightweight as Android or even windows, so that thingy won't run good by design.

At this point I'm too afraid to ask why people would even want slim machines. I've never seen a sexier laptop than P775. Okay, maybe Acer Predator are sexy on the outside, but they are very thick too! (Haven't see a P870 in flesh and bones, so can't comment on it). But really, I find those gaming laptops good looking and much sleeker than thin ones. At least this is how they feel to me at this moment XD

RANT ::: See a thick gaming laptop in flesh and bones before considering that thinner laptops are cool. Thicker ones actually look more badass!

 

I hope to be joining you brothers in DM3 land soon.

 

Atm everything is provisory, e.g. fans are fixed with tape. When I have the 3rd replacement fan I will post pictures.

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Unfortunately at ebay the fans Asus fans are even more expensive. I bought already from the cheapest vendor.

The cpu and vga versions are mirrored to each other. So if you want the intake to be at the bottom (thats how the fans are orientated in the Asus notebook) you need to use the vga version for the vga cards and the cpu version for the cpu. By doing so you will not need to mod the chassis of the DM3 but the fans only.

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And where is this "cheapest vendor"?

Wonder if there's a way to change these fans to 4 pin pwm desktop. I can check the actual performance for you that way.

 

I already mentioned a couple of days ago. I bought from ipc-computer.de.

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I almost feel a little guilty when I don't get the chance to game for a few days, considering the power of the thing just sitting there unused.

 

I'll use it

 

Some guys think anorexic skeleton girls are pretty. Having a pretty face is certainly important, but it's only one piece of the package. I prefer some meat and muscle on their bones. Too skinny is not only less attractive, it's also too weak and fragile to make me happy. I'd much rather wrestle with something capable of kicking a$$. I look at thin and light BGA garbage as being the anorexic "skeleton girl" equivalent in notebooks. Pretty face... but, fragile, weak and not something you can get overly excited about spending quality time with.

 

don't knock on it before you try it, at least commit to a one night stand


equivalent of me buying, benching, then returning

 

If you're not racking up at least a few HWBOT points from those "one night stands" with diseased BGA turdbooks, then you are wasting your time playing with filth. Might as well get something out of it that lasts.

Just be careful of the BGA STDs... some of them are fatal.

 

mm, I look forward to testing the AW15R3 with 1070

hopefully unlocked cpu power draw unlike asus

 

u guys are crackin me up

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

We are certainly on the same page here

 

Maybe we should make a "Special Edition BIOS", which reports every such system as "BGA ONS" to 3DM servers!

Spoiler

 

I won't mind using that on the 15R3

 

I only have a few things to say about that, Brother @Prema

• Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
• Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
• Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
• Joff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!

In the case of BGA filth, it would have to be:

• Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
• Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!
• A-hee-ahee ha-hee!

 

I can see you both like Ylvis. You know where he is from?
I played it. My daughter laugh said this is soooo 2013
And then she started to play Elvis WTF!! But she's right. Elvis is more my style.

Edit. And you know Fox? DELLIENWARE's big changes started the Gods year 2013!! The BGA MACHINES started to be designed!!

 

I just figured something out ;_;

The GPU power is not as important as CPU power for most everyday tasks...

Is it normal to get random lags and mouse hiccups when using a 6700K on stock settings / stock everything? If I get a delay between when I write things and when they appear on this site, it's because of internet / site? (Connection is 10 real mb upload / download cable stable)

 

How many tabs do you have open? Which browser do you use? The only computer I get random freezes and "lag" is on my Mac Book Air (only when I have 15+ tabs open in Chrome). Other than that computer, none of my other computers suffer from slowdown while browsing. My network speed is 150/15 though.

 

If you get lags like that, it's not the CPU - it's the OS / apps - the software.

I haven't gotten CPU starvation lags for many years now, any laptop should be able to keep up with the GUI/UI and provide smooth interaction above the level of the mouse cursor.

 

Running win10 latest + chrome + 10-15 tabs at a time on average, photoshop, atom, renpy, foobat2K and a few others software running at the same time, with a 6700K.

Still don't know if it's normal to lag...

The problem is that it happens pretty often..

It doesn't seem to come from CPU since the music still plays just fine, only some stutters in image browsing / artifacts and some stutters on mouse

Is win10 latest a bad OS?

 

@hmscott is not the right man to ask about this. He hate WinCrap X
Try different apps. And see if the same happen

 

Honestly, that lag doesn't really sound normal to me. I can run several programs w/ 20 tabs open on Chrome just fine on a 4710MQ.

 

Yeah, I've been seeing these complaints recently, and I hate to keep saying it, not because it's not fun, but because it gets old:

Windows 10 Sucks!!

It's the OS, and fortunately or unfortunately, I don't have Windows 10 so I can't help debug it to source(s)...

GL everyone on Windows 10

 

I'm running Windows 10 on 3 desktops and 3 laptops. I haven't experienced "lag" on any of them, at any point. I wouldn't be so quick to blame the OS without looking into other factors first.

 

The problem is "Windows 10" isn't the same for everyone either. Different hardware, different software, different levels of OS install, patch, and tweaking all come into play.

But, if none of this has been happening on Windows 7/8/8.1 for years, and all of a sudden it shows up on Windows 10 computers... a wide variety of hardware, from many different complaining sources.

I gotta lean toward it being Windows 10, but I haven't actually said that until now.

Load Windows 8.1 / 7 to verify the problem goes away. If it does then, well...

It's Windows 10.

FYI, I am running Windows Vista Ultimate on 4GB right now, on a 8 year old computer and it's *never* had hitching, lagging, snagging mouse movement, until I am nearing the end of memory resources... something else to check.

 

First, Chrome (like Firefox) are memory hogs. Add in multiple addons and you will run into problems depending on your rig's setup. As for Win10, I love it. Win10 Pro is the most secure OS out of Redmond outside of my old favorite, Windows 2000 Pro. Now, it isn't as light as Windows 7 but it is better than Win 8/8.1.

I'd argue that the reason why people love Window 7 so much is due to how bad Windows Vista was. The first year of Vista still haunts my dreams.

 

Wow, here we go down the rat-hole.

Windows Vista ran fine, as long as you had a good 3d Video card + memory + SSD, otherwise all the slowness experienced was due to hardware not appropriate for Vista.

But, you hit on a possible source of the problem, memory, and the pagefile on an HDD.

As I run close to 4GB usage on Vista, and I put the pagefile on the HDD instead of the SSD, I can get lag switching between apps, with mouse snag trailing.

Maybe Windows 10 messed up memory allocation, paging, or some related border crossing issue with memory - I find it hard to believe anyone is running out of memory these days

 

win10 + 6700K -> lags and mouse lags.

the lags are system wide as they can happen in just file explorer. or when minimizing / maximizing a window (especially ATOM)

The lags could also be caused by mouse (razer ouroboros?)

 

Razer Ouroboros & Synapse 2.0 problems
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/66206-3-razer-ouroboros-synapse-problems

"Hi there, been a long time lurker on tomshardware and this is the first time Ive had to ask for help.

I have recently bought myself a shiny new Razer Ouroboros, and run into a few snags. Wondering if anyone else has had the same/similar problems with Synapse or the Ouroboros and if theres any workaround in the meantime.

This is whats happening.

Once synapse is all up and running the mouse works great... until you start messing with the DPI. It lags slightly whenever you use the clutch or put the DPI up and down. Even more so if you press the DPI button multiple times.

Its a minor bugbear, but was part of the reasons I got this mouse... to respond to certain situations with DPI. I sent the details to Razer, but they haven't helped too much and am still waiting on a reply."

Check out the thread, and google for more

Razer Ouroboros issue (fixed)
Action : *Firmware Update/Re-flash (Mouse)*
http://yvelinication.tumblr.com/post/65320777585/razer-ouroboros-issue-fixed

Razer Ouroboros Support - Driver download
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-ouroboros

 

Fix: Mouse Lags Appear in Windows 10
http://windowsreport.com/mouse-lag-windows-10/

"...As you can see mouse lag can be a big problem on Windows 10, but we hope that some of these solutions were helpful to you."

" Michaela Gainey • a month ago
Nope...none of these worked for me either."

Severe mouse lag in windows 10
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...0/143e65d7-6b26-48b1-9fe2-63a948be700d?auth=1

" 1193 people had this question"

"DL Danny Lee replied on September 27th 2016

• Insider

I completely removed the Mouse and Keyboard Center from Control Panel - Programs and Features and my severe mouse lag problem seems to be resolved. Thanks K2theBee."

It seems Windows 10 is providing mouse lag aplenty for some... even those without Razer Ouroboros mice

 

@Georgel - with that mouse I won't doubt that you'll induce a citywide gravity implosion.

Get yourself something of high quality from Logitech or use the Classic Microsoft IME/WMO ;]

 

A Windows Vista installation with the latest updates/hotfixes does run well now. My point is that Windows Vista was as bad as Windows ME during its first year and that's saying something. During that time, I canceled the deployment of Vista to about five or six of my clients, which cost me revenue but nothing compared to what it would have cost me to fix the issues.

I don't have any input lag with my mice with Win10 but then again I've very selective about the updates that get installed. When I get my DM3, the first thing I'm going to do is reinstall Win10 and make sure I take control of the updates.

 

The early Vista pre-release showed a real need for more memory, 3d acceleration - expensive back then - and SSD made a big improvement - it usually does.

Those upgrades I then recommended for new desktop roll out's at the time, otherwise don't attempt to upgrade to Windows Vista.

For the companies / people that didn't want to upgrade their hardware, I told them to wait for at least a year - until MS optimized and 3d hardware came down in price.

I upgraded several friends computers with a new GPU, new CPU, new SSD, and added memory - and even replaced motherboards (SATA upgrades) after new affordable GPU's came out for Windows Vista , and some are still running today.

It was a real shock for people at Vista release to put it on their non-upgraded hardware, just how much of a pig it was on "weak" hardware.

It was a nice turn of events that "gaming" GPU's helped out the OS performance

 

Thanks a lot!

It's still strange that it happened without the driver installed too

I had a RAT pro X that I exchanged for this one new.

I think I want something MMO now to work faster in image creation, and I also considered buying one of those left hand mini keyboards to use with graphic tablet XD

Still can't explain the lag / why some certain apps have a strange animation when going in / out of taskbar. ATOM is really bad at this, but it's smooth after it's on top. W Explorer is pretty bad in general, and so is chrome but most other games are cool. Expect for minor stutters in dota2

BTW, is it normal for dota2 at max to utilize a lot of CPU bot almost no GPU on 6700k+1080?

 

Did you update the Ouroboros Mouse firmware - or are you saying you no longer have it? It might be a combination of mouse firmware, driver, + Windows 10.

If you are still having Mouse Lag in Windows 10, check out those 2 threads I posted about Windows 10 Mouse Lag for some things to try.

 

G602 is your only choice if you want something of high quality with a lot of buttons.

 

It's really not that simple. I have windows 10 and a 6700k on a desktop, and there is absolutely no lag whatsoever. There are tones of variables that can come into play here.

 

I also have not experienced that.