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Good question. Maybe you can test it both ways and see if it changes the result.

I actually added rubber blocks to the top surface along the rear edge of one of my U3 coolers to put a little extra space between the back end of the laptop and the cooler fans, which is the opposite of what you are asking about. It did not impair my temperatures, but that does not answer the question you are asking about whether sealing that off would help. I added the rubber blocks to stop the wire grilles I added to keep things from falling into the spinning fans and breaking the blades. Without the rubber blocks the wire grilles were rubbing on the bottom cover and it did not want it to be marred by abrasion. A couple of times I went to move the machine off the cooler and the power cord flopped over into one of the fan openings. Fortunately, none of the blades were broken or damaged.

The internal fans are going to limit the volume of air that can be forced through the radiators from the cooler fans, so I think the most important aspect might be an endless supply of fresh air with some static pressure.

 

I dont have much time left in the USA but I'll see if I can throw something together and take a peek at the temps. Even if the fans control the air running through the vents, I would assume that all the extra air will naturally have to exit somewhere... Hopefully through the heatsink vents but the downside would be that it doesn't and impairs the airflow. Wow yeah that would suck to break some fan blades. I wouldn't mind cutting the grill but I don't have the time now .

BTW the U3 mod dropped temps by approximately 2c.

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Yeah, it would be great to find out. I have wondered the same and never bothered to test it because I had too many other things going on.

I seriously doubt that it would impair cooling, but I am not sure if it will improve it.

 

I have a **** ton of the green foam holding my cooling pad up in the front (so it's not sitting on the fan controller). I'll take the bottom cover off and trace the outline of the grills and see what's up. BTW the foam isn't very this I expoxied 3 pieces together to old the front up

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Only 2C? Is that when you're doing some heavy computing like gaming or video encoding? I never measure the difference when U3 mod is running but what I noticed is that it allows me to have a quite experience when gaming and take note it's running at 60% fan speed. It never made the "laptop fan" run at its full load! Without the mod, 15 mins into any type of game then fan will just go full throttle lol.

 

Sorry I guess I should have clarified, 2c compared to my old cooling pad (Targus HD3 Gaming Chill Mat - 3x 60mm or 80mm fans @ 3000rpm). I didn't have time to game but I ran XTU 10 minute CPU stress test (I know people hate XTU but I didn't have anything else that was CPU only) then 2 rounds of 3d mark fire storm ultra stress tests. I will actually try and see what the difference is with no cooling pad lol, should be interesting.

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Oh I can't wait to get my hands on the fans etc to mod my U3!

 

You find what you want of benchmark/stress tests/software in @Phoenix's Software Updates thread

A few good classic alternatives:

Cpu: CINEBENCH R11.5 - CINEBENCH R15 - wPRIME v1.55
Gpu: 3DMark - 3DMark11
SSd/Hdd: AS SSD Benchmark - ATTO Disk Benchmark - CrystalDiskMark
Stress tests: AIDA64 Extreme

 

Thanks for the link, I thought prime was bad?

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FYI, Prime(P95) ain’t Wprime And remember, run as adm.

 

Ah sorry I R NOOB still lol

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Yes, but it also says ' 3-pin fan connector'. That means it uses variable voltage to control fan speeds (rather than the pwm method used with 4/5-pin fans). So if you use this controller for 3-pin fans then they'll run at whatever rpms they were designed to run at; a hypothetical 10k rpm@12V would output that 10k without a problem when using this controller.

 

So I ran the test with an air dam forcing all the air from the U3+ modded cooling pad, there was a slight difference; the tests were 10 Min XTU -> Firestrike Extreme Stress Test -> Firestrike Ultra Stress Test – Overclock Fan setting – U3+ (Modded) Cooling Pad on Max – Delidded w/ Bitspower IHS / LM on CPU / IHS / GPUs and the CPU undervolted -140 / GPUs max volts set to 975 @ 1911mhz. See below.



Edit: so after taking a bit of a break I realized that I was blocking one fan so I am updating my airdam.

 

Ok so I have noticed something lately, I have my 1080's voltage set to max out @ 0.975 @ 1911mhz. I have never ran into any issues gaming benchmarking or stress testing at these settings but every once in a while when I come back to my laptop after being away for a few hours it resets itself (I do have it go to sleep after an hour of inactivity). Now just so you know I'm not trying to go for over clocking or anything really but I am trying to keep the temps as low as I can due to my trip to the insanely hot desert for a year in the very near future. This doesn't happen every time it falls asleep but maybe once or twice a week. Any ideas? Again no issues gaming or anything just after long periods of inactivity. I believe the reset is caused by this and not my CPU being undervolted due to the fact the GPU voltage/frequency curve is always reset when this happens. Thanks

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Weird...

 

They were using the original sample they got sent. I guess it was minimal effort see what they have and a do a shoot out kind of thing.

 

Good evening everyone. I was running some 3d Mark Firestorm benchmarks and after I finished I was comparing them to my older ones. I noticed that my new ones were a bit lower then my old ones, so I started to play around with my clocks and tried the tests again and still didn't get anywhere near my older scores. New Score - 22,548 (CPU clock @ 4591mhz - Max Temp 68c, GPUs clock @ 1987mhz - Max Temp 61c) - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13756632 ; old score - 24,523 (CPU clock @ 4388mhz, GPUs clock @ 1898mhz) - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13150701 . The only thing that I have done since then was the U3 + Cooler Mod and installed the app from Obsidian-PC to include replacing CCC with their version (no XTU) and using ThrottleStop with their default 7700k profile. I went through the settings and saw nothing that really stood out that would hurt the benchmarks. Any ideas ?

Edit: Disregard, restarted my computer and now I'm scoring where I should be - please delete

 

Wow, that LGA CPU in the Sager NP9873 didn't do very well against the BGA CPU's in the Asus GX800 or Predator 21x in Cinebench...

 

What about all the other benchmarks where the NP9873 came in behind the other laptops with BGA CPU's? It wasn't just that one test where the NP9873 trailed.

Is your laptop tuned with Prema firmware? Maybe that is it, the out of the box Clevo experience is throttling and power limited, that might make the difference.

 

Yes I have Prema BIOS, you are right about the out of the box Clevo experience it's unacceptable.

 

6700k at 4.0 GHz will easily reach 850CB, even with some other apps running at the same time...

 

They should get back to SAGER/Clevo resellers before doing something like that, I think if they did contact you, you can prepare the machine with more efficient configuration.

 

http://www.tieba.com/p/5352798808
so.. clevo just using the same chassis the new CFL 6 core. which means only mobo/chipset updated on the mobo and very likely to design same size in order to reuse same chassis, heatsink, etc etc.
the current heatsink can't cool off 4 cores at 5.2ghz let alone 6 cores. gg clevo cheapin out.

well some good news for current owners they can simply replace mobo + cpu to upgrade to 6 cores its very likely possible.

also @hmscott get over the BGA/LGA. linus tech tip is horrible their reviews are just like AAA games made for almost the lowest denominator info for consumer to watch/play, extremely dumbed down. anyone have an idea what LGA with unlocked bios can do will know right away the vids a joke rofl.

 

@ole!!! Nice find !

 

This is really great finding: This is the story for the last year: DM > DM2/3> KM1 Kaby Lake> KM? with Intel® Z370 Chipset (Coffee Lake architecture eighth generation 6 Core i desktop processor chipset)

But where are our main resellers from this new upgrades, I didn't see any. This new hardware will effect the used and the new market.

 

Thank you for sharing .
Hopefully the current P870XX owners can replace the motherboard and CPU, if Clevo don't add extra ports (Example: extra TB3 or extra USB port) to the motherboard or the motherboard wont be able to fit in the chassis/case. I hope they change the HDMI 2.0 port to a DisplayPort though! then its G-sync triple screen all the way

 

I'm not quite sure what you are saying about where we are?

 

I'm pretty sure that every single reseller / parts dealer would gouge for the Z370 mb.


"reasonable price" is a taboo in the laptop world nowadays, only wallet rape is allowed

 

Anyone ever had an issue with liquid metal and altitude changes. Like I'm taking my laptop on a 14 hour flight. Anyone have any negative reactions? My laptop will be horizontal for almost the entire trip.

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I agree, it is sad how the prices are for laptops, considering how frail the components are and how much we fiddle with them. Well, at least I'm glad those laptops still exist!

 

Nope


If you use paste wall around die, make sure you leave tiny gap for air circulation

 

Perfect thanks

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@Ground_Zro chec my post above updated with crucial info

 

No but I used a thermal pad barriers similar to Mr Fox's foam barriers

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Ok if setup properly should be safer.

 

What I meant, why no one told us early about any information for those upgrades and new hardware, and why that Taiwanese reseller has the new models selling them, and no one from the first class dealers has it?

 

so.. what are the chances p870TMG will be able to use iGP? @Eurocom Support @Meaker@Sager

 

It would be awesome for battery life

 

And would mean you couldn't use SLI or gsync. So it's not gonna happen in a huge sli gaming dtr

 

Forgot about the gsync

 

It's been 2 months now since I've seen my P870KM1-G. Hope you guys never have to experience a dead motherboard, by the time I get this thing back from HIDEvolution there will probably be Z370 ones
From what I can tell, HIDEvolution shipped it to Sager and Sager must have them on low priority because they've been waiting over a month for a replacement motherboard. This is a nightmare.

I was delidding my processor and I guess I awkwardly grabbed the cpu out of the socket, the tip of my thumb must have brushed against one of the pins or maybe the pin got caught on one of the raised contacts of the cpu when the latch was released, I'm not sure, but I had a SINGLE pin break off and that was enough to stop the video cards from working. They declared it user error and not covered under warranty, so $135 to replace the board part with the socket and $50 shipping there $30 shipping back. Not off to a good start. In all my years of building custom desktops I've never had to deal with a broken cpu pin before...

 

Hi @jcadduono I'm sorry to hear about your issues. However HIDEvolution are not one of our re-sellers so we would not be undertaking any repair work for their customers.

 

Interesting, I wonder who does their repairs then... :S

 

if you bought it from HIDevolution, you know that they have their in-house CPU Delidding service. Why did you mess with it and delid it yourself when you know it will void your warranty if not done by the system builder, adding to the fact that you don't even know how to do it??

In fact, I have yet to see a P870KM1 owner that bought from HIDevolution without the CPU delidding, I think they do it by default now since these 7700K CPUs tend to get really hot.

Also, I've never heard that HIDevolution send any laptop anywhere for repairs, they usually do all the repairs, they are a professional system builder not a cafeteria for selling snacks.

Maybe @Donald@HIDevolution can shed some light on this as I smell some smoke here

 

I just assumed they had to send it elsewhere because it's been there for at least 40 days and when their "repairs" department emails me they always refer to the repair department it's at as "they" and not "we". As for not getting them to delid I wasn't willing to pay an extra $200 for a service I could just as easily do myself. It's my own CPU. It was shipped with warranty, without a CPU in it so no warranty voided that I know of. I'm just surprised a pin could break off so easily and that they are taking forever to replace it! You'd think a professional builder would have kept some spare parts for their flagship model for these kinds of situations.

What do you mean I don't know how to delid?
I have delidded 4 CPUs now, this being the 4th. :S

 

you said....

Doesn't inspire much confidence.

 

Yeah I grabbed it by the PCB instead of the IHS because I was worried I would drop it with fat fingers not getting a decent grip on the slippery metal of the IHS. I lifted it straight up as should be done, I only assume that maybe the tip of my thumb could have brushed against the pin as it was an outer pin though I don't know for sure that's the case as the CPU does shift around in the socket as the latch is being released.
I've reseated CPUs probably 30 or so times in my life and never ran into a situation like this before. I understand yes it is user error, I screwed up, I'm willing to pay the money for it, I'm just disappointed that I've become such a low priority customer to them.

 

I see. I delidded my first 6700K myself and I swore I'd never do it again, such a mess and nerve wrecking experience. Add to the fact that I didn't know how to properly stick the IHS back so the next time on my next system which was a P870DM3 I ordered it factory delidded and properly stuck in place as in, not only held by the latch.

Anyway, I hope you get it sorted ASAP.

 

The out of warranty situation is the motherboard with the broken pin on the socket, not your CPU. There is no 'repair' of a broken pin, nor a 'spare' socket part...the motherboard has to be replaced. The "they" being referred to is Clevo. While professional builders do keep a very limited stock of motherboards for current models on hand for warranty repairs, out of warranty issues with Customer Induced Damage do not have access to that stock. Therefore it has to be special ordered from Clevo, which takes several weeks.

I will look into this for you to see if I can get a better picture of its ETA if you will email me about it. However I cannot use this forum to discuss individual details about your specific situation beyond what I have reported here. This does not limit in any way your ability to discuss it here, it only limits mine.

 

If they use a MUX switch then you can.