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hi all, I'm looking to buy a P870KM from clevo computer Germany with i5 9600k and a gtx1070. I just need a few quick answers on upgrading as this will make my decision on buying this laptop at this price point with future upgrades planned for next year.

With an i5 9600k being installed ( this is the highest option available ) would i be able to upgrade to i9 9900k??.

With having a 1080 screen (with no other option) i would like to have a 4k screen with g sync. What screen would i be needing and what other accessories would i need when installing??

thank for any advice
stu from the uk

 

The KM only officially supports the 7th gen, speak to the reseller if they are modding in 9th gen support on what it may be compatible with.

 

@Mr. Fox nice find but since anyone can load P870TMxx bios into KMxx machine and run 9th generation CPU - in my opinion it's not worth hassle.

 

There are some heatsink advantages but for the adventurous that is a better option cost wise.

 

Guys,
I`ve contacted Martin, creator of HWiNFO about enabling full monitoring of fans rpm speed for KM - feature that I`ve been missing A LOT. It used to work on my Premafied DM, version 5.54 of HWiNFO was the last one that reported those values (so I`m using it still). But for KM none of released HWiNFO versions (be it 32/64 bit, old and new) worked. Yeah, really. I tried them all.
After a few exchanged emails today containing my EC dumps and HWiNFO reports from DM and KM he got it working for both models! What`s more, now it shows not only CPU and one GPU fan speeds (like before with 5.54 on DM) but CPU and both of the GPU fans separately - on DM and KM!
And it took him like few minutes of coding to work. Absolutely amazing dev and amazing support - thank you Martin! So if you are using HWiNFO (you should, it`s the best and now I know why) don`t forget to drop some cash to support it.

Expect the next update of HWiNFO (6.01) to show you a nice warning about EC support upon launching and then a beautiful rpm readings for ALL three fans for you viewing pleasure

Really, consider donating HWiNFO.

 

Nice work on your side too

 

Isn`t it nice?

 

Is it worth the hassle to upgrade mine if my priority is only gaming? Or just wait for something better?

 

Probably not worth the added expense for gaming. The bang for the buck there is more about the GPU than CPU.

But, then again... there probably won't be anything better coming down the pike. So, from that perspective, perhaps you should do that while all of the parts are readily available if you are planning to continue to fight the good fight using a laptop.

I have a sick feeling in my gut that we are going to experience another déjà vu moment like what happened with the P570WM and Alienware M18xR1/R2/18. Kill the beasts, then twist the knife by not making service/upgrade parts readily available, then change form factors to further complicate matters.

If you're itching to spend money for better performance, the best option is to build a nice desktop. No more nonsense and shenanigans like what is now status quo with laptops.

 

Awesome news. Martin does great work, and I definitely recommend financially supporting his efforts. I have made numerous donations to Martin, @Prema, @unclewebb and BigMuscle (Aeroglass developer) for their amazing contributions that make all of our lives better. Everyone should give back so talented people like this have the motivation to keep going.

 

GPU for gaming over everything else basiaclly.

 

The heat sink set-up is what enticing me to upgrade because I think we can all agree re-pasting the previous version are pain in the ass compared to TM1 and off course having a 9900K in a laptop will make me feel special

Building a desktop PC is in the plan but not with this current generation.

Will a single OC 2080 w/ 9900k/9700k outperform my current rig in "games"?

 

+rep. Good work!

 

Usually a single more powerful card gives a better experience than two slower cards in SLI. There are exceptions but that's generally true.

 

@artpra From your good work

 

I should have contacted Martin sooner about it, but better late than never.
Enjoy!
(I'm wondering if it will be working for stock DM BIOS/EC too).

 

For any program like this it's always worth raising a ticket if you spot something.

 

I saw other day post about that it's over for our beloved beast. But @Donald@HIDevolution said that Hidevolution will offer p870TM with RTX 2080.

In this case - upgrade kit seems legit upgrade.

But one thing bothers me. I am not sure if p870TM gpu VC is better than regular T-shaped heatsync. Reason behind this is that VC have only 2 heatpipes for single gpu when T-shaped heatsync have 6(or even 7).

Anyone can say anything about how TM VC performs with single GPU?

 

The heatpipes guide the heat in the vapor chamber, they are not doing the heavy lifting, the vapor chamber is.

 

What do you want to know (tests/benchs/temps)? I`m running KM1 single 1080 with TM VC.

 

Considering the vapor chamber can cool 2 cards well, it does just fine with 1 since the heat has two paths it can go.

 

If you could, please run for 5 mins at stock voltage/full fan speed something that stress gpu for 100% constantly (for example OCCT test or furmark). Than show here max temperature/voltage/cloacks/power consumption etc

Edit, and also please tell what kind of pads/paste you are using (and ofc if you live in some hot country Dubai or something - let us know - mean room temperature also counts)

Edit 2 @Meaker@Sager it's not i do not believe you. Just saw that someone i selling TM VC to stay with regular one - and i wonder

 

Fan speed monitoring back again in Hwinfo64.


Download latest HWiNFO Beta VERSION 6.01-3630 if you want it. Or just wait for the final release.

 

If it was so easy for him to do this - than mby we should give a try and ask for fan control via hwinfo? It would be sick !

Edit - sweeeeet. It's working with p870TM EC/BIOS

 

It means that we unlocked this feature across the whole Phoenix range

 

So the setup is:
- P870KM1 with 1080 and TM VC;
- stock(ish) BIOS and vBIOS;
- no VSync, no GSync, no FPS limit, NVidia "prefer max performance", Win7 "max performance" power plan;
- stock pads, Gelid Extreme;
- 22C ambient temp;
- max "Fn+1" fans;
- 5 minutes of OCCT as requested.

OCCT settings used:

GPU graph:

HWinfo GPU report:


I would say that VC is doing wonderful job here.
Reported "performance limits" are due to stock BIOS, which throttles even with single 1080 (no, you don`t need SLI to be victim of it)... @Prema help

 

What clocks do you see in general? There will always be some reason for gpu boost reaching a maximum as it's designed to be aggressive.

 

1898 MHz undervolted to 0.925 V (so -0,138) is my go to everyday values, which results in great temps. Up clock one step in curve or down voltage one step and it becomes unstable - it's my 1080 sweet spot.

 

@artpra thank you, excellent job.

So comparing to regular T-shaped heatsync, with regular pads and Grizzly kryonaut (rest is same) -





Conclusion - it is 10-9C cooler (which is huge, taking in consideration GPU power 196W vs 187W - could be new vBIOS ) but i dont think that OCCT is stressing right this badboy.

 

Hello can some show how to Enable: Fan Speed monitoring in Hwinfo64.( version 6.01) beta
I went to setting and put check mark on EC Support but it not show Fan speed. Thank you

 

Not bad at all, I see around 1980mhz with a shunt mod so not much left.

 

You could try seeing if @Prema has a standard file to put over. The original shop may have been a Prema partner. Can you message the original seller to check?

 

Im going to upgrade my panel to 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 144Hz~9ms IPS-level 72% NTSC Matte Type Display - w/ nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology (part. nr. B173HAN03.1)

One thing is not sure for me - there two cables for this laptop. In manual i can find information about 1L, but at other hand at eurocom page in upgrade page there is information that i suppose to use the one with 1N. Im kinda confused. Both are 40pin cables. Eurocom page shows that one which i found is for 4k panel. What is the difference?

6-43-P8701-020-1L vs 6-43-P8701-010-1N

 

Just make sure the panel you are getting has the same number of edp pins and it will work.

 

I am looking for some help with an issue regarding bios's. I have 3 P870's , Details below
My problems are ;
1. The GTX 1080 only works in the laptop it is installed in, currently paired with a 7700k , the 8700k will not boot in this laptop.
P870KMx-G ,1.05.08EVOC v1 , ec 1.0502OC, V Bios 86.04.2A.00.2C 07/06/16

2. The P870 with the 8700k paired with a GTX 1070 will not boot with the GTX 1080
P870K bios 1.05.10 EC 1.05.02 GTX 1070 Vbios 86.04.56.00.2C 11/08/16

3. The laptop with the 6700k and GTX 1070 will only boot with these components.
P870KM_KM1 1.05.08 EC 1.05.02 GTX 1070 Vbios 86.04.2A.00.27 07/06/16

I would like to use the 8700k & gtx 1080 together.

Also i can't get a laptop to boot with the 1070's in SLI .

What do i have to do to enable this ?

All three bios's are different , i standard i suspect [6700K } , the 8700k is suspect is modded by the Clevo agent ( German ) , the unit running the 7700k has an older version i suspect of Prema's excellent Bios ,
So , over to you fellows .
PS I'm new so if I have not followed rules , posted in the wrong place etc be gentle with me. Cheers

 

Nice to meet you all, finally got my dream machine.
P870KM1-G, she's got the 7770k and sli 1080s, need to do some homework now on all the mods to do to keep her as cool as possible, pleased to meet you all

 

Check p870 thermal pad layout for the best gpu performance.

 

@Tetbury_bob

You may need update GOP of your card .
Make sure your GOP version is 0x30006 or higher or this BIOS wont work with it!
Enter the nvflash_tool folder provided in the attached link and run "Check_GOP_Version.bat" as administrator.
Then check the UEFI Version. If the version is lower than 0x30006, for example it is "0x30002", you must flash @dsanke provided vbios file to your graphics card.
Copy the proper vbios file for your graphic card (They were identified by Model, SLi and G-Sync) to the nvflash_tool folder.
Then run "Backup_vBIOS.bat" as administrator to backup your current vBIOS .
You will get "backup_master.rom" and "backup_slave.rom" (Last one only for dual graphic card laptops e.g. p870dm)
Then run "Flash_vBIOS.bat" as administrator to flash the vBIOS of your graphic card(s).
You may receive error message telling you "Invalid display adapter index specified", that is normal for single graphic card device because you don't have a second graphics card.
Then run "Check_GOP_Version.bat" as administrator and check the UEFI Version again.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1G0E3wLFpURN32k_EfZ_0Qf6W_TzEOYUo

If you happen to paid for free dsanek BIOS that is provided here on forum - request your money back.

Link to whole topic with moded bios and everything

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...kylake-kabylake-clevo-lga1151-laptops.821694/

 

Hi guys,

just wondering what you are getting on your average temps for your SLI 1080's?

I have done most of the thermal mods, but i am wondering what the average temps are under load ?

The GPU's are not sitting on LM yet, as the previous owner had them sitting on foam pads that were 2 large and the die didn't make good contact, so this has put me off adding a foam dam or using LM. Does anybody have a link to some decent foam they use on their machine please?

Also does anybody else have an issue where they set a under volt say -125 but in windows it's only showing a max of 100 ? is this a setting somewhere??

 

Just cut the original foam to shorter lengths

 

I didn't feel comfortable doing that as it didn't appear to be the right type it didn't compress exactly as it should do and both the dies on the GPU's were dry of LM from no contact at all.

 

If you can compress it with your fingers from about 2mm thick to 0.5mm thick thats enough. You can also bend the spring arms upwards for more mounting pressure. If your cores are getting no contact at all also check thermal pads as Meaker said.

(both surfaces need to be wetted with liquid metal by the way, you do need to work it onto the die as well for best results)

Or try a shim.

 

I have added fresh thermal pads and new thermal paste just kryonaut for now and both cards are sitting at 65 under load on stock clocks. What temps are u guys running with LM

 

What loads and clocks?

 

Just 3D Mark 11, i realised this system was previously owned by @Stress Tech , it's his old machine.

I lapped the CPU today which is an aftermarket Sky Lake Bitspower one, and fresh LM, this dropped the CPU temps by a furuther 3 degrees on stock clocks and a -180 undervolt CPU is maxing out around 70 on auto fans and 66 on full when running a benchmark test, so quite happy with this for now.

Love these systems though, never thought i would actually end up owning one !

 

3dmark 11 is not really going to give you load temps but that seems ok.

 

Superb thank you, was just wondering - do you know what performance gain % wise can be expected on a leap from 4.5 - 4.9/ 5.0Ghz on the 7700k ?

I am assuming the CPU will be bottlenecking the SLI 1080's?

 

In CPU benchmarks assuming a decent memory clock the performance will scale with the increase in clock speed as a percentage.

 

Thanks that's great, do you know if the 9560 Wifi card will work in these?

 

IIRC that requires the z370 chipset, the 9260 is the same performance wise but has the bits that were built into the chipset so can be used in older devices.