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    *** Official Clevo P870KM1/P870KM1-G/Sager NP9876 Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 3.0 ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 5, 2017.

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    Would it be too complicated to do a cmos reset or something along those lines?
     
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    You need to remove the keyboard (and back cover) to remove the CMOS battery.
     
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    So now..?

     
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    Be very careful when you pull out the cmos battery with your thumb nails. It’s very fragile so be careful. Heres a YouTube video from @Mr. Fox How to do it.
     
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    Thanks to everyone, it worked, still no idea what caused to stop working. But it's like nothing happened
     
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    CMOS resets resolve cached boot info corruption and help when electrical charge has built up in odd places.
     
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    Yesterday I upgraded my KM1-G from 7700K to 9900K. Performance increase is insane, I`m glad that AMD slammed Intel hard with multicores - after years of stagnancy and new iterations/refreshes. I was redoing my benchmark runs because it was hard to believe to those numbers lol.

    But to have it working RELIABLY for years, specific firmware was needed. No, no mods, just pure stock Clevo files. More on it here. And I`m amazed how well it works: no black screen, freezes, hibernation/sleeping problems, reboot/cold start lags, switched audio outputs, wrong clocks, ratios, multipliers, offsets, etc. Nope, zero, nada. It`s like some Clevo engineer secretly but deliberately leaved this path, to give us KM users the PROPER upgrade opportunity (with official Clevo signature) instead of some... mods.

    Final firmware combination resulted in fan speed reading ability to be lost by hwinfo. It`s due to "cross flash" making KM somewhat a hybrid (lol) and was expected. But thanks to Martin, I`m testing a new beta hwinfo version which brings back this functionality - once again for KM. It`s sooo important IMO to have fans info at hand, that I can`t work/play on systems without it. We are still ironing out some things with it but expect a new public beta build to have it back.

    So if you should ever decide to upgrade to 9th gen, hwinfo will heave you covered.
     
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    How is the temp?
     
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    With -120mV undervolt and at factory clocks it hits 90+C and thermal throttles during CPU heavy benchmarks. In games it`s 75-80C.
    There is still a lot of room for improvements though: delid, liquid metal, heatsink swap (I`m on stock KM right now), custom ihs - will be working on it.

    In the mean time, I`ve reduced clocks (to 8x4.4) and I barely see it crossing 80C, at idle it`s slightly below 40C. To have some perspective: it means lower voltage and lower temps than my previous 7700K (which had delid and liquid metal under custom ihs and was running 4x4.2) at faster clocks with TWICE as many core count.
    Insane.
     
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    Just installed Assassin's Creed Odyssey and ran inbuilt benchmark because why the fcuk not.
    Score went from ~50 fps to 62 with ultra/total/uber/max-all settings @1080p and that`s a 1080Ti territory.
    EVERYTHING is the same hardware and config wise on my end except CPU, and this CPU was underclocked during this run.
    It`s insane. I know, I`m repeating myself.
     
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    It's a fun machine, no shame in that :)
     
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    There are two things that blows my mind here on this screenshot:
    [​IMG]

    1st: that I`m running 9900K on a board that doesn`t support it (officially al least).
    2nd: that I`m running 9900K on operating system that doesn`t support it (officially al least).

    Actually there is also this 3rd thing here:
    [​IMG]
    multi 5311 (Win7) vs 5045 (Win10) and single 529 (Win7) vs 515 (Win10).
    WOWZA!
     
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    Its Intel hanging around on 14nm that's done it.
     
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    Any one else having trouble with nVidia's "latest and greatest" drivers?

    Everything after 425.31 screws up with SLI and Gsync on. getting random flickering (flash to black a few times randomly) in full-screen games and periodically. Disable either SLI or Gsync and the issue goes away, Use any driver 425.31 or older no issues. I've contacted nVidia, and they said they are looking in to it.
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    "Thanks. Not sure if we have this laptop in the lab, we'll have to see if we can reproduce the error. In case we don't have it, you may want to report this to the system manufacturer directly. They should have an in-house engineering team that can investigate the issue, and if they can replicate it, they will reach out to our dev team for a fix(if its Nvidia bug). We'll keep you posted."

    -nVidia L2 support

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    Also with Gsync in Windowed and Fullscreen, I'm getting the same flickering when some apps. opening apps (It appears that the system is having trouble syncing with the framerate (or something of the like. that is a guess)

    Using Prema's Bios, dual 1080s, i7700k, 3k 120hz gsync panel... have tested exhaustively, with driver versions, All windows updates installed. (10 pro x64), tried windows driver update, also, a few rounds of Obsidian-PC's updater, and a few rounds of Driver Easy for good measure because "hail mary" every driver version since the Creators update has had 2 rounds of DUU and 2 of nVidia Clean install. rebooting between each stage, (wipe, reboot, install, reboot, enable sli, reboot. Even rolled back to the "lastest" clevo drivers on their site and the ones on HDI, Eurocom, & Sager.

    I'm out of ideas friends. Again Zero issues when rolling back to 425.31 or later (which is what ill be doing unless one of you awesome people have some thoughts)

    Appreciate you all as always :)
     
  15. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Thanks brother Prema I will look that way, Glad to see you still around and doing great things, Loving your work on the P870KM1-G Bios btw, Did you do any work on the GTX 1080s that came with it?
     
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    C:\Users\KKthebeast\Desktop\New folder (2)>nvflash64.exe 048021.ROM
    NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility (Version 5.558.0)
    Copyright (C) 1993-2019, NVIDIA Corporation. All rights reserved.
    Checking for matches between display adapter(s) and image(s)...
    Adapter: GeForce GTX 1080 (10DE,1BE0,1558,0876) H:--:NRM S:00,B:01,D:00,F:00
    EEPROM ID (C2,2534) : MX MX25U8033E-MX25U8035F 1.65-2.0V 8192Kx1S, page
    Adapter: GeForce GTX 1080 (10DE,1BE0,1558,0876) H:--:NRM S:00,B:02,D:00,F:00
    EEPROM ID (C2,2534) : MX MX25U8033E-MX25U8035F 1.65-2.0V 8192Kx1S, page
    No matches found.
    Results:
    Index | Match | Flash | Name
    <00> GeForce GTX 1080 (10DE,1BE0,1558,0876) S:00, B:01
    <01> GeForce GTX 1080 (10DE,1BE0,1558,0876) S:00, B:02
    Nothing changed!

    Sorry It's been a while
     
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    Good Day everyone. After reading this thread I finally decided to get P870KM1-G (Origin) from a reputable e-bay seller. I have some question and your support is very much appreciated.

    - What is latest BIOS that support 8th-9th Gen CPU's (mine is with BIOS 1.05.05TOPC) do I need to flash?
    - Should I go for 8700K or 9700K?
    - The unit comes with 8gb DDR4 2400MHZ and Im planning to upgrade into 16 or 32GB kit. What are the best brands to consider.
    - The unit comes with FHD not yet sure if more than 60hrtz. Just in case (future upgrade) is the unit supports FHD 144 or 2K 120hrtz panel?

    Sorry for all the queeries P870 noobie user here..
     
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    Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...clevo-laptops-rtx-cards-now-supported.825558/
     
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    Note support is totally unofficial.
     
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    Guys - does anyone know of a decent water cooled heatsink for the KM1 ?

    I'm debating upgrading to the 9900K and was wondering if anybody has been here before.

    Thanks in advance :)
     
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    I think there were a couple on Ali Express but nothing made by a known brand.
     
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    I am trying to find some real threads on here regarding buying / fitting / testing, not had much luck up to now?
     
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    A couple from Ali Express people posted and nothing IMO worth the loss of mobility.

    The vapor chamber is very good.
     
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    I don't want to lose the vapour chamber, but i would like to install a 9900k in there and be able to cool it.
    She sits on my desk 99% of the time, and wouldn't have an issue with an external water cooled loop at all.

    Don't want to be really hacking the VC to pieces though :(
     
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    Yeah not too much space to work with then.
     
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    HWiNFO 6.08 released, with support for fan speed monitoring for KMs cross flashed with TM BIOS (9900K anyone?) - with slightly reworked calculation formula, to avoid fake/wrong readings.
    Enjoy.
     
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    i9-9900KF upgrade worked, Thanks to Dsanke for the modded Bios and vBios. Still need to play with the settings to get it dialed in, but its not throttling at 4.7 on all 8 cores. -80mv adaptive. (just something to get it going) Lost gsync. but everything else seems solid.

    https://valid.x86.fr/shql7n
    not sure why it shows 4.5 I'm a newb with some of this. UBM shows proper 4.7 so does TS. any ideas there?
     
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    Run Cinebench R20 and follow the clock speed in Hwinfo64 during the whole benchmarks.
     
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    The F line of CPUs does confuse me.
     
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    I think the F models was pushed out only to give the buyers an Intel processor options due the chips shortage (+ stopping the overpriced mess). Nothing more. One of their solutions to be able to push out enough chips into the market. Otherwise they would lose even more sales to AMD.

    Without the shortage and this wouldn’t be pushed out. As you so nice said... They do not offer anything to the end users (same price).

    Here home I think the after sale (used) without the iGPU is more difficult. Hence I jumped on 9900K.
     
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    I may pick up a 9900k if the price comes down enough.
     
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    I've been testing the 9900KF and it's not bad... It reminds me of the earlier batches... With it absent of the igpu I'm curious if it'll scale better than the 9900K under cooler conditions. Testing in progress...
    It's a great chip and I'm pretty sure the prices will drop a nice bit in response to Ryzen. The cheapest I've seen it retail was around ~450 during recent sales. If it gets anywhere near ~400 I think it'll sell like hot cakes.
     
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    My 8086k is a great chip is the main issue.
     
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    But for how long? Intel bin chips as the Devil "want all souls" for coming 9900KS :)
     
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    I believe the 9900k and kf have shown similar scaling and yes the cream will have been skimmed off so it might depend if the 9900ks is a good price.
     
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    There is "some" suggestion that it might do that (BUT and big BUT, the gent that did the binning had a sample of 200x i9-9900K's and only 5x KFs. Soooo we all know to take that with a grain of salt. (I will provide the link to his research below) BUT in addition to that. Looking at the stats and pricing on the SiliconLottery page. (the percent of chips that passed X ghz. It does seem [at least in the sames they received] that 2019 KF refresh sans iGPU, & TEE and with the new stepping] more KFs by % tests out higher then their K 2018 brothers.)

    Tom's Hardware (Been around long enough to at least merit the validity of a group discussion and thought experiment imho)
    Intel's Core i9-9900KF May Overclock Better Than 9900K [<-Link]

    Products – Tagged "Intel i9 9900K" – Silicon Lottery [<-Link]

    Of all his test (which yes could be all lucky SCL) the KF did bin high in the ranks, and as he said it was the only chip that could stable 100 higher on air then its 9900K 2K18 brother)

    So at min we "could use" that data to guide us to a possible SC Lottery purchase from a wholesaler. (just my best guess with limited info...if...if...if)

    :)
     
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    Hello everyone I really need a help my laptop (Origin P870KM1-G) wont turn on. If you press the power the orange led indicator will switch off. I tried NVRam reset but no luck even FN+D Power button.

    Anyone encountered this issue before? I appreciate any possible solution.
     
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    What happened before, during the issue first occuring and after this behaviour that was out of the ordinary?
     
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    I just installed 1tb ssd and it was working fine. This happened after shutting down and current system configuration are:

    i3 7350K (will upgrade soon)
    8 GB DDR4 2133
    1TB Addlink NVME M.2
    2TB 2.5 Seagate
    512 GB Samsung Evo 840
    FHD 75Hrtz (G Sync not working)
    BIOS: 1.05.05TOPC
    EC: 1.05.02
    GTX 1070
    VBIOS: 8604.56.0028

    Got the item open box and has no signs of heavy usage.
     
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    Strip it back down to no storage/wifi/one ram stick, then if that does not work try the other stick of ram in another slot. If it's still a no go speak to your reseller.
     
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    Hmm an open box. How long was it working. Many reboots or just the first one. Wondering if someone used it for a Windows install. Could it have a conflicting boot partition on it still?

    Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Tapatalk
     
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    Thank you Sir...finally its working now, normal NVRAM reset did the trick. Now the beast is awaken, planning to uprade RAM, CPU and screen. Any recommendation on RAM (Brand and Speed)? as for the CPU, it requires BIOS update in order to support 8XX and 9xx Gens CPUs and this procedure needs to pay more attention and research otherwise I will end up black screen.

    It was working properly and no problem at all, then I notice that I forgot the KB screw so I shut it off and put the crew back. After that the problem start
     
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    Excellent, 3000mhz is the performance/price sweet spot in general, g.skill or other known brands are fine.
     
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