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ye, wait for prema bios!

 

I do have a prema bios.

And no one actually tried anything higher than 3200 Mhz, because we couldn't get samples to work with. That was until I tried the 3800 Mhz Corsair that we found out that the system will actually work with faster ram.

Not so much with the P870DM3. It will boot 3200 Mhz in there, but haven't had time to try it higher.

 

a prema bios with 870tm? thought hes just finished working on the KM and had no time to work on the TM, unless you're like a tester for his new bios?

 

I can't speak on a KM because I do not own one, but this one has plans on being out to the public by Christmas.

At least the first public revision that is.

 

Even desktops can start to stumble towards 4Ghz with 4 dimm slots and only those with direct short distance tracing and 2 slots tend to do it reliably on the 7th gen series.

 

so for those who are interested in adding a 4th fan..

the chassis picutre on eurocom's website is infact old chassis and blocks the vent of extra added radiator but 870tm actually has an extra tiny vent open made for the extra radiator. basically CPU has 2 vents but without the 2nd fan for CPU, the current vent becomes intake rather than exhaust and hot air blowing out at the back will get sucked back in if its not blocked, can be solved by adding a 4th fan or simply blocking the vent.

heres come a weird part, the 4th fan has a 4 pin connector where as the pre-existing 2xGPU 1xCPU fans are all 3 pin connector (i havent checked the GPUs fan but im assuming its similar to CPU's). not exactly sure how it'll work perhaps its ground, control, 5v/12v but that wouldnt make sense iirc will need 2 grounds in order to have 5v/12v, just guessing at this point.

any thoughts boys? @Papusan @bloodhawk @Meaker@Sager @TBoneSan anyone else got this machine or planning to get it that i've missed.

 

Warmed air is better than no air, don't block it up.

 

or add a fan and make it into an exhaust thats for the best! especially new fins are placed ontop of the heatpipe which is right ontop of vrm

 

I've not seen the results of having it added, it would be interesting compared to the noise of having a smaller different tone fan.

 

probably very loud lol. but its a 4 pin connectors gonna first have to find bunch of thin fans that fits then along with 4 pins and what they are for.

 

I have talked about mod and put in a small turbo blower fan on top of the cpu bracket before. You can find them in all sizes and thickness. If you force in a lot air with U3 cooler modded with proper fans this will help as well. No need for blocks the vent of the extra added radiator. The forced air from the U3 mods fans need to come out of the chassis one way or another. The added small radiator is one way out.

 

the vent portion is already done for us so yeah no need to block it. however the fan even if it fits dimension wise, the connector on mobo is 4 pins, how would we know if this is compatible. how many connection is inside of this fan?

final resort can always be direct solder for full fan at all time but i'd rather not do that.

 

You can always force power to the fan from other places. I mean @Prema said the power for the 4th fan header on MB is shut of in firmware.

 

man.. that means even with unlocked bios need power from else where.. looks like its a splitter we need. papusan you getting 870tm?

 

Nope. I'm not going for old Pascal (SLI). Next gen Nvidia will be another matter. And it will come. The comming summer? Or fall. I'm ready to buy

 

I think Gamescom 2018 time.

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I've been looking at a max spec P870TM, but after reading this I'm not sure if I should just get a temporary Titan-XP EGPU for my XPS-9560 4K, and wait for the next generation model. Spending ~$6,000 only for it to be outdated in two months is not something that sounds appealing.

 

Not really. Personally i want to buy mini desktop pc with gtx 1080 ti and i7-8700k. Actually i have i7-6700k delided and gtx 1080 in p751dm2-g with external display 34" and is more than enough.

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Thank you for the reply, do you think we could expect a Core i9 or Ryzen system in the future? I remember the P570WM had the option for 12? core Xeon's, which at this point sounds pretty attractive.

 

I dont think so... nice to have of course yes... but hard to say something for this moment...

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yea the 870tm1 will replace my alienware and i'll be getting another 8c laptop when it comes out, assuming its good to go. btw take a look at these 2 closely.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/172835929699
https://www.ebay.com/itm/171868420331

first one especially 2nd picture, shows its 3 wire yellow red and black. 2nd link shows only red/black.

 

If you can skipping a GPU generation is always going to give gaming a massive boost when you do upgrade.

 

if you're a storage/cpu person then u gotta wait several generations

 

Or change your platform on that one but with 6 core options and thunderbolt storage options things are looking better than they have for a while.

 

@Papusan so i measured the heatsink, radiator is thicker but the heatpipe and extra metal plate ontop of heatpipes made space extremely limited.

i measured to fit a fan it needs to be around 6mm max, which is probably be hard to fit, im sure there are 5mm fans out there given the amount of thin bga trashbook around LOL.

my cpu is meh 1.24v 5ghz for passing xtu memory test. next up testing my firefox which is more stressful than xtu because it has AVX workload..

 

I'm sure you will find thin fans. See this 5mm ultra thin fan. Only as an exaple what can find out there.

 

thats an excellent find issue is at 3.3v and only .35amps probably not all that powerful. i was thinking something alone the line of gt83vr CPU fan its thin but powerful, it might be too big in width and length though.

if i use splitter then it'll remain 12v, fan might just go straight full speed or burn out. i could use sata which is 5v to power it just need a bit of mod from storage area

 

I know (Standard voltage of 3.3 V / 5 V)

 

There are a bunch of potential fans just doing a standard search. And they start with having the correct connector. As to if they would be plug in play....That is something different.

https://www.google.com/search?q=4+p...UICigB&biw=1252&bih=1243#imgrc=PbjCMWAWeL7mIM:

 

yea i had few fan mod with xps m2010. it had yellow/red/black which i also took a few fans to try. as expected the color code is standard but they are free to choose how to make the fan, turns out fan was burning out and had to route different color wiring to get it going. anyway prob have to buy a bunch of fans to try and then hope they dont just burn up off the start.

 

As long as it's the right voltage and pin out. They should work( Only talking about blowing air. Not necessarily fitting in the 6MM space. ) And with having the right connector.....You only have to move the wires around into the correct position.

I may test this out after the holidays since we have a bunch of old laptops and parts bins sitting around doing nothing.

 

should be good for early 2018 i think.

 

Sure hope so, that'd be great!

 

Just want to make sure I understand your post right, you're saying there is another pinout as well as space, for a 4th fan?!? oooooooo, this interests me highly. Even if it would only be for the cpu (if i'm understanding that correctly), still interests me!

 

yes, however we now got other info to get this to work, the 4th fan (2nd fan for the CPU), space is extremely limited, i havent measured LxW but height is max 5mm fan. further more 4th pinout doesnt have power going to it according to @Papusan and @Prema so we will need to pull the power from primary cpu fan with a fan power splitter.

of course once we got all of that and get the fan to fit/locked in place we'll need to make sure fan will work on 12v (likely will work at full speed) and make sure we find power/ground from primary cpu pinout.

 

Hopefully there is room for it! I'm just curious if running it off a splitter would still allow it run at full speed, ya know?

I'd like to see this come to fruition. Please keep us updated!

 

Pinout seems to be
1=positive = 5.2V
2=positive = 2.0V
3=positive = 5.2V
4=negative

This is what I got out of testing mine right now.

 

in which direction is 1-4? when laptop fans is pointing away (blowing) from you. when taking off bottom cover the cpu fan 4 pin is vertical so assuming 4 is near the very top and 1 is closest to the battery that direction?

 

From @Premas post regarding the 4th fan header

@Johnksss
Do you have the exact measurements. Available space between the CPU bracket and up to the lid?

 

Same direction as the Memory lettering is facing. Pin 1 is on the left.

Prema just showed me the correct pinout for the fan header.

 

Great. Answers also for the rest of my post? Thanks

 

papusan i thought u said prema mentioned theres no power to that 4th fan connector?

for the measurement i'll check it later when i disassemble it

we are talking about the primary fan connector right? not the one in papusan's picture, just to confirm.

also some bench and quick screenshot, ignore the temp and max voltage because im on stock bios plus i spam reset on TS and hwinfo like mad. temp with max fan is around 82-84C at 5ghz after like 3 mins of XTU memory test. CB15 is light in terms of temperature plus i current throttle in it so xtu is better indication of temp for now. memory only 2400mhz 64gb, default cache, will up cache and try again later.

max power i was able to use showing in TS is around 136w, havent bother to try higher without throttling.

 

Looks like I took a bit wrong or mixed up with 12v And I talk about the 4th fan header. As in my pict in previous post. The <standard> fans is 12v. 5v for DM1.

 

i was assuming primary cpu fan is 12v with dm2/3 and tm1 but only tm1 has 4th fan connector, which to my understanding is, there is nothing going into it from the mobo. so does the 4th fan connector have power?

 

@ole!!!
Yes. that is the fan header i'm talking about. The one in the picture. Going by how the picture is showing. Pin 1 is to the right.

Looking good on stock.

You won't be able to go higher until the bios is unlocked. (Talking about watts - About 140W max)

 

No 4th fan connector on older Clevo MB. Only for TM series.

 

so is there power going into the 4th fan header? if so then we dont need a splitter. just a fan that fits and route it to the 5.2v and negative should just work at full speed if fan is intended for 5v.

 

From what I saw and what I tested....,It should work

 

But will it work, and be controlled properly by the EC?

Have you added the 4th fan in your testing?

 

Per Prema
PIN 1 is 5V PWR
PIN 2 EC (TACH)
PIN 3 BUS SWITCH
PIN 4 GROUND

And I tested the pins and 3 of the 4 have power running through them.