I think that’s exactly how it works.
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I'll break out the rolling pin and make some nice gingerbread men out of it.
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There is the fibrous backing may pads use along with the alignment of the molecules to transmit heat.Papusan likes this. -
Fujipoly even sells a 3mm thick pad. And they say. “This is (2) 1.5mm pads stuck together lol. Thermal pads are great. And they do actually work. But I think they either work, or they work.
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send some my way. I’m sure they’ll work out fine! Haha.jc_denton likes this.
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Stacking is one thing, having the structure orientated is another.
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I'll take your word for it, I don't have a good enough knowledge of thermodynamics.
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You could check it. Replace LM with the pads on Cpu and run bench. No need for maxed clocks (only run with same voltage and clocks). This to find the thermodynamic differences between pads. This for another day
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It's more chemistry and physics (organisation of internal layers and molecular orientation for efficient thermal transfer.jc_denton likes this. -
I'd have to bake the heatsink again afterwards, lol. I need to stop taking it apart all the time
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You di get very quick at it though, my old Acer needed a total teardown to do CPU work and it took me about 3 minutes.
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I get what you're saying, but it's at a point where I'm doing total teardowns on a weekly basis.
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Meaker@Sager Company Representative
Weekly, aww that's sweet
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Hey man, one man can only do so much modding/tweaking a week.
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I must have missed that memo when I got mine, oh well
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Any further modifications will require soldering extra stuff onto the heatsink. Got all the bells and whistles on this one already. What are you working on since you're taking it apart daily?
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It was more when i got it, I came up with the revised map for the thermal pads, worked with prema to get the bios modded, got my custom IHS and modified with my dremel for the 8 series, did liquid metal throughout and for the shunt mod done on the GPUs. -
Revised map for the thermal pads?
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Yep, I did the initial thinning of the thermal pads and shared the results. Reducing most by 0.5mm gave a 12c improvement in temps.
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I would love to do something like this. I don’t even know where to start. I’ve ordered gelid thermal pads to replace all of mine.
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If you can't source it here, use the good old fashioned flashlight technique.
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Be sure you have several sizes thicness of pads. See laso http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ctive-cooling-mod-for-p775dm2-p775dm3.803626/
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I judges mine by eye and impression left on the pad during fitting.
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1/1.5/and 2 good enough ?
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I prefer several sizes. You never know. And it also depends if you want try new mods, new or old hardware etc...
Not fun with stacked pads. Especially with old and new pads because you lacked what you needed for your different projects.
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Phobya or Gelid for the graphics and Conductonaut for the processors. K5 is only an emergency solution. Depends if pads size is a problem or you lack correct pads.
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wow your a beast at overclocking and mostly at optimizing stuff to run its best. I’m surprised you are not running liquid metal on your GPU.
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Liquid metal on graphics wont make the big differences in bench or normal use. Tested it before. Bench will be terminated by other situations circumstances before temp being a problem.
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does the paperclip mod actually work?
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Of course. Why shouldn't it? Didn't you read the thread I linked? In same way as you need to use thicker custom IHS or copper shim to increase pressure due not always perfect cooling parts.
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0.5mm copper shim works wonders if you lost heatsink lottery. Just remember to adjust thermalpads accordingly.Papusan likes this.
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I read that post several weeks ago. I didn’t have the best results from it. But I’ll try it again.
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Those with the TRIPOD mess had to bend the 3rd leg to get proper pressure. Screwed because of bad heatsink design. No paperclip mod in the world can be used on flawed design...
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YMMV, could be your heatsink has good contact already and doesn't benefit from the mod.Papusan likes this.
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What are considered excellent GPU temps in a P775 or P750 with a 200 watt GTX1080? Or what are the best possible temps in a laptop with such a GPU?
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Think mine sat <80c after prolonged gaming with an undervolt in the p775tm1.
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Was that with any modifications like a Shim? LM? Paperclipmod? That is about where mine is at too. Usually 78-79 is the maximum I’ve seen with LM. I still have not tried a shim.
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That was with a non-unified heatsink, LM + 0.5mm copper shim, extra surface area heatsinks and Gelid Extreme Pads.
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maybe I do have a good heatsink? I dunno I am running at 0.925v 1,898Mhz locked 100% fan and using crap old reused thermal pads. This shim has me curious now though. If I can improve upon this anymore.
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Here's a pic of the shim modded heatsink. (this was from when I initially got the vapor chamber)
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you are running higher voltage and 200 MHz higher clock speeds with much more power than me though. So I’d say your temps are great.
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That's just from what I remember when it was in my older chassis. The 1080 is in the p870tm1 now w/ vapor chamber. So it's not apples to apples comparison. Not to mention it's power modded, reporting <20W power draw at 2088mhz in Time Spy
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Oh ok I thought you were reporting temps from the P870
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Temps in the p870 are ridiculous, <40c benching at 2063Mhz
Benching with an open window at 5.2Ghz
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That is Ridiculous! How are such good temps even possible? I don’t think my custom water cooling provides such results loljc_denton likes this.
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Man I want a P870TM1 chassis to drop my components in to. They’re so expensive though. I’m going to tear my P750TM1 down this weekend. I’m off work for 5 days straight! Gonna be nice tweaking this thing out with my new stuff ordered.jc_denton likes this.
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Meaker@Sager Company Representative
It's a big step up in cost and weight.
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