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I'd argue against this but it's also EOL.

 

I'm not saying it's not worth it but it's certainly heavier and bigger

 

It sure is.

 

@ole!!! looks like AW gets a vapor chamber heatsink with the new refresh for the 10 core. From the looks of it the VC is to have direct contact to the IHS. Interestingly this is very close to the mod you're working on.

Spoiler

 

i guess the idea of more cooling and bigger surface area is the same but application is different? imo if we gonna go VC it should just be bare die. it is much less of an effect of having a concentrated heat source slowly spread through IHS and then goes into VC then into heat pipes.

VC directly ontop of heat source is to spread that heat into a big area and fast as evenly as possible then onto heatpipes that can cover that big area. not saying its poor or anything still a beast of a heatsink, overall the capacity and dissipation didn't seem to increase with 10c heatsink vs 8c one so output still the same.

for 870tm, our heatsink is so tiny if this mod become success it'll benefit us greatly. direct die -> 5-6 heat pipes, 25-30% more capacity with 3 fan dissipation.

 

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Yes, ideally. But I don't think they will go bare die with the socketed 10 core. Much easier to ship with a traditional intel chip than put an effort into min/maxing it for best cooling out the box.

Gallery with a few more pics.
http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=a...d80690a4f78f0f73614b083600555b319ebc41316/pn1

 

Are we really going to see a (10) core????

So instead of buying a RTX2080 and a 9900KS to upgrade my P750TM1-G.

I think I’ll just keep my 8086K and GTX1080, and get this! It’s only $1,495 and it includes everything I need. I’ll just order the VC after. It doesn’t have the Prema bios, but I’ve gone this long without it. I think
I’ll be fine.

 

P870TM1 is EOL... 10 core lga1200 is coming... and CES will likely have new Clevo products there. With new stuff should be coming Q2 2020.

However, Prema bios is the only thing that makes these laptops any fun and allows for them to run as intended.
You'll still get better temps from VC and TM1 heatsink compared to P/7xxTMx series. But as mentioned above, if you really want to let it stretch it's legs. Prema bios is the answer.

 

Yea but you know these new style Clevo LGA1200 laptops will be probably $4,000 minimum. With no barebone options for a while.

I think a P870TM1 with a 5Ghz 8086K or maybe a Stock 9900KS with a RTX2080 Super, would be a lot of fun to ride on for a few years. Until the new platform pricing comes down.

Ive got a feeling these are gonna be expensive. Clevo has added a little boy racer color and style to them too. So this will drive upper class average performance buyers to the table now too, and not just enthusiast looking for extreme performance in a big black heavy 1998 circa looking laptop.

 

I mean Eurocom don't have support for KS chips in their unlocked firmware. And if they have... I doubt it works as intended.

HID will most likely let you get customize an almost empty new model. Nearest you'll come barbone.

 

Usually if you want the CPU anyway then picking it up at the same time makes sense.

 

I just want this Eurocom P870TM1 barebone to throw my CPU and GPU inside of. It is a complete laptop. Minus ram, cpu, hdd. Then later down the road I can either put a 8 core in there, or a RTX2080 and go 1440P for a nice 20-30% uplift in performance over a GTX1080.

Not sure if I’ll buy in to the new platform so soon.

Gonna buy this in about 1.5 months.

 

Added costs for upgrades and if you sold your laptop... And you're nearer a new Clevo. Spend too much money on the old... It's your money. See... If 2080 Super ain't the big upgrade, this will hold 2080 prices up.

$1500 for Barbone
+$1000 Rtx2080
+$300 9900KS
Sell your old for $1000
= $3800

 

I am just going to buy the P870TM1 for $1500. And I’ll sell my chassis Complete with a charger and memory and storage inside without GPU and without CPU.

But I think you meant $1,800 instead of $3,800.

Also those are cheap prices for 9900KS, and RTX2080.

 

I'll wait for Ampere to come out and announcement of the new mobile cards before investing in a new cpu and gpu. We'll see but hope there is something worth the money they ask...

So far the "super" mobile is a meh from me

 

Nope. Re-read your own post and do the math or use my numbers.

$1500 for Barbone
+$1000 Rtx2080
+$300 9900KS
Sell your old for $1000
= $3800

Neither 2080, 9900KS and new panels come for free. This on top of the Barbone.

 

I mean, if I could sell my GPU for around $450-$500 and then find a RTX2080 Super for like $1,000 Bucks I would easily do that. Temperatures alone are a big improvement. And gaming at 1440P-4K shows huge improvements as well. We may see a 20% uplift in 1080P performance with GTX1080 vs 2080 Super.

I mainly just want the chassis of the P870TM1. I would rather have a 17” display, and the superior cooling setup.

 

But if I invested $2,800 in to a working laptop. And sold a working laptop for $1,000-$1,200 bucks then this would be $1,600-$1,800

 

Re read your previous post. You said $4000 for a new Clevo.

Sell the old and use the extra added money you meant spend on the barbone and upgrade and you are near $3800. My math stands.

 

oh this is a complete barebone with charger. Only missing CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD

 

With the upgrade you meant to do + sell the old and you're near new coming Clevo.

And re-read what I said... If 2080 Super ain't the big upgrade, this will hold 2080 prices up. You won't get it for free.

 

I see what you mean. But, I’m only swapping the chassis for now. I am still about a month away from being able to do this

my used chassis may not be worth much with no CPU or GPU. $600?

So it’s still a big investment. But, P870’s are expensive.

 

Eurocom sells the upgrade kits for $1,374 USD “Or best Offer”

I offered a lowly $1,000 bucks on one a few weeks ago, maybe a month. And they declined and counter offered me at $1,120.

^ This includes a MXM Clevo RTX2080, a new complete updated heatsink, screws, X mounting bracket, ICD7 thermal gel, thermal pads for top of GPU, and a thick 3.6MM thermal pad for underneath MXM GPU, USB thumb drive with drivers and bios update if needed.

^ It isn’t exactly the best deal. But it’s not that bad, “if you have a GTX1080 to sell”. Laptops are portable and we must pay the price for that I suppose lol. Or that’s what retailers seem to think.

 

I'd wait to see what the next generation will bring and then make a decision.

 

Eurocom P870TM1 comes without Prema bios.
Not sure how far you can push their "unlocked" bios, but I remember them boasting about running 5.3Ghz 8086k. Utterly clueless that it was throttling so hard that it was being beat by older 6700k.
Granted that was in Sky X7C (P775TM1), but that's the same "unlocked" firmware and bios you'll be getting.

Plus, no Vapor Chamber heatsink with the 2080 either...
"P870TM1 supports two 10 series video cards in SLI or a single RTX 20 series card. Single GPU + CPU heatsink (for RTX 2080, 2070, 2060) that is included with each barebone notebook.
GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 uses dual CPU and GPU heatsink - so if you are planning to use GTX 20 series GPUs let us know so we can include proper heatsink(s)"

Btw, P870TMx runs x8 PCI-e even with a single card, not that current mxm cards max out the bus bandwidt, but something that is nice to know.

If you absolutely want the P870 chassis, get it from a Prema parter shop, such as HIDevolution. They offer p870tm1 + 2080 w/ vapor chamber. (It needs to be modded for RTX cards)

 

X9C (P870TM1) with Eurocom's unlocked firmware.

https://eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(232)SkyX9C


My old DM1 with stock clocks and Z170

https://hwbot.org/submission/4302982_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2116_cb/

 

@Papusan can take a screenshot of FIVR Window? BTW which windows are you using?

 

-115mV offset for both core and cashe. +120mV uncore. The rest default outside locked 44 on cashe. Win 10 2019 LTSC.

 

But if CPU-z says it at idle it must be true

 

I wonder how many people got suckered into buying that "5.3Ghz" laptop,

 

I suppose there are worse things to end up with at least.

 

I really need to install LTSC but the hassle of having to install everything...

But... microsoft isn't helping at all with all the issues with updates and crap they have in Windows (bloatware wise)

 

I am happy with LTSC. I’m seeing good performance. And I’ll say this most of all, It performs identical to it did since I first installed it.

I can always notice when a OS degrades on me after just a few weeks to a month.

I runs very very consistent

 

And I think most windows start to degrade because there is about 2-3 updates installing every day. And a lot of other bloat built in.

 

They crossed the line pushing Bios updates through Windows Update to mitigate vulnerabilities, that are not possible to roll back and don't let you opt out.

 

It's usually not going to impact day to day or even benchmarking performance.

Patch Tuesday is the 2nd Tuesday of every month

 

Yea but, you dunno what version of windows someone is installing at that specific time. So they could install windows, setup the drivers for hardware. And then it is update, after update, after update. And after your all said and done and running the latest version your task manager just bounces between 1-3% cpu usage for eternity sitting on the home screen doing absolutely nothing lol.

 

Caching data and sorting files is part of it.

 

Pair LTSC with O&O10Shutup10 and WUB, plus a few group policy tweaks and it'll never do something on it's own.

 

ESO is a great tool to disable the services that might hog system resources in the background. Nice thing with it is the profiles, making it easy to toggle between max performance and daily use.

 

@ole!!! did you get a chance to do anything with the vapor chamber yet?

 

not yet, still waiting for a 9900ks will probably just buy from retail. but i do have most of other stuff already including heatgun and solder paste that mr fox used. the delid die mate and direct die frame all here now.

 

Intel really should slash prices on the 9th gen whenever they launch Comet-lake to be competitive with Amd stuff.

 

Why slash prices on something that is selling out?

 

You mean 9th gen chips will still selling out when Comet lake is here? Or will Intel have to do as AMD and reduce prices on the old? Just look at HEDT.. $2000 chips transformed into $990 nowadays

FYI. Intel is saved by the OEMs. They loose sales everyday if we only talk about retails.

 

Saved by the 90% market share component

I just don't expect desperation mode yet.

 

Within 3 or 4 months we will see AMDs new mobile products (100 notebook models). Every step that eating from that 90% market share will hurt This on top of increased sales of server and consumer desktop chips. I’m sure intel will have to suck on that (sugar) pills.

 

They get what they deserved. Whole milking on 4 cores since forever, blocking firmware update on mb with same socket to milk even more, so to run new processors you have to buy new mb. This company is piece of ****. I build few desktops in a year for friends and family. Won't put even single Intel - not on my watch. I hope that amd start taking market over.

Intel mate, its karma

 

They did so for the HEDT CPU's, so I expect the same will happen for regular desktop down the road.

 

They were not selling out Intel are taking advantage of momentum at this point while they figure out what to do.