*** Official Clevo PB5xExx(-G) Owner's Lounge ***

Bob of All Trades mentioned about the poor airflow in his review.

 

+1 for the Bob video review, further back in this discussion. Very insightful

 

So, since I have to get a other drive anyway, what would you recommend? Anothe (thinner) standard hdd, a 2.5” SSD? Another M.2 type? (Did the computer have a slot for a second one of this type?)

 

It should have a 2nd M.2 slot. Personally, I would get a 1tb+ 2.5" SSD for more storage. They're a pretty good bang for the buck these days.

 

Thanks, I actually looked and I did nit see that much price difference between the 2.5” and an M2 nvme one. Found a 1TB for $119.

 

Prices have come down a lot, though there are considerations on the flash used rather than just type of interface.

 

You’re roht, and I saw that too. However, I think the one I chose (Crucial P1, 1TB) is a decent compromise.

 

For typical light end user usage (steam etc) then yes that should be fine.

 

Right. Tbis is my gaming laptop after all, not a server or a transactional database on it

 

Or a video editor, or someone just storing and moving a lot of video

 

Ha, exactly. In a nutshell, nothing that has a lot of writes.

 

You can read as much as you want though

 

Oh, it actually seems I do have to read a lot...

 

Why is not ideal to max the fan speed?

I have the crucial P1 and i dont recomend. It stop being recognized and i need to restart several times to ultil it is recognized again. In amazon you can find several reviews where people have issues with it

 

Well I already purchased it, so cannot go back... Do you have the nvme version or the sata version?

I got this one: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-1TB-...+1tb&qid=1557927090&s=gateway&sr=8-3-fkmrnull

I saw the reviews, but only a very small number of people had thar problem, and you will find the same for any product actually, there will always be people who have bad luck or get a faulty unit

 

I have the same version, the NVMe. And i cant return it because im from argentina and i bought it in usa

 

Ha... me too...

 

I dont know if is a firmware problem or If its a problem that heats up with the massive use

 

Max fans is noisy and will increase wear.

 

Ohh, i see. I dont mind if its noisy i only want to run my laptop cooler when i do renders and that such of things. but also i dont want to increase wear

 

It's up to you really, if you do want to hammer it and want some peace of mind on temps they will go down.

 

Max fans work great, but yeah, it introduces noise, wear, and possibly more maintenance (max fans are more liable to suck up more dust/debris). Ideally you want to lower temps without introducing more wear & tear.

 

@Meaker@Sager @Prostar Computer

Just out of curiosity, do either of you know exactly what the "High Performance" power plan in Windows is doing? I always thought it was just locking the CPU at 100%, among some other things, but my graphics score in Firestrike is a good 200-300 higher with it on despite the same or similar clocks, so it must be doing something with the GPU as well but I see no settings related to that in the advanced options. I made a copy of the High Performance power plan and switched the min CPU setting back down to 5%, as well as some other settings to match the Balanced profile, but the Graphics score stayed higher as well as the temps. ie, neither dropped to match the Balanced gfx score or temps, as I would have expected if those settings were the only difference.

 

Its removing idle clocks or slowing down under lighter loads. This means that it can respond slightly quicker.

 

Pretty much what Meaker said. Balanced introduces some latency in the CPU's frequency scaling. It should be pretty subtle, though.

 

It's not going to be perceptible, it's just going to show up in benchmarks unless you are going full extreme clocking.

 

I.e. it should be subtle.

 

Except in terms of battery life and noise at idle

 

I see that you can configure these with an OLED display. Any thoughts on these from the resellers here? Seems like it's the best value on the market for OLED as a similar spec's Razer OLED is about $1200+ more expensive.

 

100% NTSC and a glossy finish look awfully pretty. At 60 Hz refresh though? Maybe not a gamers' first choice. It's a good looking panel in any case, bright and good saturation.

 

The only other thing is that they are optimus mode only. But very nice for media consumption.

 

That’s what I figured! That makes their recommendation a bit easier. If it had MUX we could at least run it at FHD with Fast-Sync and gaming would be solid enough still.

They’re not touchscreen either correct?

 

I thought he was referring to the panels not supporting G-sync. The 9750 version is actually only Hybrid?

 

For the OLED panels the Nvidia chip does not have the right brightness control output so it's locked to using the Intel chip for the internal panel.

Not touchscreen.

 

So is it BIOS locked to Hybrid, or actually lacking the MUX switch? I feel like this is something that should just be locked in the bios until there's proper Nvidia support for the OLED, then unlocked with a BIOS update.

 

I don't believe the chip has the right output control for it full stop.

 

Do you know how many nits the panel is? Also, Do you know if this is the only Clevo model getting the OLED panel? It’s very reasonably priced compared to the other laptops getting the same panel soon like the blade and the XPS 15. I wanted it primarily for media consumption but I was hoping to disable Optimus so I could pass through the GPU to a VM. Thanks

 

It should be the same panel all round, I dont have the data sheet myself.

 

Obtaining a spec sheet is proving to be pretty challenging, but from what I'm told, the brightness/nits should be at least 400 nits.

 

MobileTechReview did a review on the Alienware m15 with the OLED panel option here:

I hope it is the same panel on this Clevo at 416 Nits. I went ahead and ordered a PB51 from PCSpecialist so I guess I'll know myself in 1-2 Weeks

 

Does anyone have the model for the oled screen?

 

Not confirmed but not exactly a lot of options on the market for oled panels.

 

Does any storefront list the PB51RF-G? I can find the non-Gsync version, but that comes with a UHD glossy display (OLED is nice but glossy screens and Windows scaling are definitely not)

 

Super exited about the OLED option as Samsung Display is the only game in town that I know of producing a 4K 15.6” panel.

Lisa from Mobile Tech lists the panel as SDCA029 in the M15. HP has it in their x360. https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/hp-spectre-x360-15-inch-oled

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13896/samsung-unveils-15-6-inch-ultra-hd-oled-display-for-laptops

Do y’all think, as this is a 60Hz panel, that it would be a good a paring with the GTX 1660 Ti? Seems like most games could be played with Ultra settings in 1080P and a few could push 1440P and maintain 60FPS.

 

I'm not sure if Optimus makes the Turing GTXs suffer from the same performance handicap as the RTX chips or not. I'd suspect they do, so probably wouldn't get much better framerates than a 1060 or 1070 MQ.

I'd love an OLED panel, hopefully one compatible with the RTX chips (if possible) becomes available in the future.

 

Sounds like a good combination to me, especially if you are more of an image quality over raw FPS person or balanced between the two.

 

Even without the Optimus performance loss, the Turing GTX mobile GPUs aren’t faster, as the 1660 Ti is slower than the 1070MQ and the 1650 is slower than the 1060.

 

The 1660 is just a small jump over the 1060. The 2060 is the full jump in performance.

 

I don’t think I mind the FPS since I haven’t used a 144Hz display regularly yet, but the UHD is something I do have a problem with (and I’m sure other people as well) because I use a lot of legacy applications that don’t play nice with UHD.

Then again modern applications don’t play nice on 1080p already. Windows ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

 

OLED is for content creation/consumption si the 4k is an obvious choice for that if you were going to make one panel.