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    *** Official Clevo Sager NP9155 / P750TM-G / P751TM-G Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

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    The Furmark test of it's time.
     
    jc_denton, Mar 28, 2020
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    My 9800pro with volt mods did not approve :p
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 28, 2020
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    Man, 9800pro. I remember having that card with my P4 and playing stuff like Soldier of Fortune 2 and Enemy Territory. Good times, and great card.
     
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    I had the accelero 3rd party cooler, the xt bios to enable the temperature sensor (was an xt pcb) and then a pencil mod to over volt it.
     
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    Fun times, when you could crossflash bios. Reminds me of unlocking pipelines for the 6800.
     
    jc_denton, Mar 29, 2020
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    Hi all,

    I'm quite new here but happy owner of one P751TM1-G, ready to start playing with it. It has 8086K with 1070 and looks like the performance of the 1070 is average or below the average.
    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22043266
    No unlocked bios at this time (fw ver.:1.07.27 / EC 1.07.16, vBios: 86.04.56.00.2C). Is there any way to optimise the settings with better results? Do I need the optimised or unlocked bios? I'm playing with the GPU and memory OC, and the best what I got:
    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22143720
     
    lukylac, Apr 6, 2020
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    What do your temps look like? I'd say undervolting the 1070 to ~950mV while pushing an overclock might do the trick.
     
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    lukylac Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks. During fire strike with autofan the CPU and GPU below 70°C, with 50% fan the GPU a bit above 70°C, CPU max. around 80 °C.
     
    lukylac, Apr 6, 2020
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    You should be able to do +130Mhz on core and +500Mhz on memory. Set these and then lock the voltage to 0.950mV as shown in the video, apply and rerun.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 6, 2020
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    The GPU undervolt helps to reduce the temperature, but i'm not sure, does it help to increase the performance? I do not have problem with the temperature just would like to optimize the settings.
     
    lukylac, Apr 6, 2020
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    Helps to reduce thermal and power throttle that stock card is plagued by. Thermal throttle begins when card is above 38c, it already begins to slowly step the core down.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2020
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    And for each 5 degerees steps upwards to max allowed temp you'll lose bost clocks. Hotter the worse. Welcome to Nvidia's disgusting tech world.
     
    Papusan, Apr 6, 2020
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    Makes you appreciate older HW, where you set clocks and it runs them without complaining.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 7, 2020
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    Well until it exploded instead and everyone had to put up with worst case clocks all the time.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 8, 2020
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    All it takes is proper cooling and staying within inferno temps.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 9, 2020
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    Even then though for most users you only got the benefit of that cooling under the heaviest of loads. It was not faster under normal loads unless you intervened.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 9, 2020
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    Hey guys.

    I have the Sager 9155 with the original 15.6" 1080p screen. I wanted to upgrade to the 4k screen.
    I keep seeing the discrepancy between the 30-pin and 40-pin and have no idea which one I have, or need.
    Has anyone upgraded their screen yet?
     
    enzolt, Apr 10, 2020
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    If it's a 60hz 1080p screen it will be 30 pin.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 10, 2020
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    Yes, its the 60hz 1080p screen. Does this mean there is no screen replacement for mine because I only see 40-pin 4k screens.
     
    enzolt, Apr 10, 2020
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    You can get the cable or there might be 120hz non official options. What are you after?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 11, 2020
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    Just wanted to upgrade my screen to 4k.
     
    enzolt, Apr 11, 2020
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    Then you will need the 40 pin eDP cable and will need to swap yours which does require more of a disassembly of the unit.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 11, 2020
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    I see...that sounds like a lot of work. Does Sager, directly, offer that service?
    For what its worth, I bought my laptop from Xotic PC.
     
    enzolt, Apr 11, 2020
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    You could contact the service centre and ask.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 11, 2020
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    Are there options for any panels that are above 144Hz?
     
    jc_denton, Apr 12, 2020
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    Nothing at the moment, got to wait for supplies to increase on the higher ones.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 12, 2020
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    Hey Guys,
    going crazy with my Clevo...
    Sistematically every time I reboot it, it runs 3.2 ghz fix.
    Obsidian modded
    XTU Intel
    The problem is XTU modify the settings like this:
    upload_2020-4-15_22-30-31.png


    So simply I disable and renable "intel turbo boost" and I got:
    upload_2020-4-15_22-32-13.png

    Checked in the bios, everything is like it should be, also uninstalling XTU...
    The point is I need XTU if I want to reach 4.3 ghz....but everytime it "loses" the settings, I have to reboot, etc...It's really stressing...

    Any idea guys?
    Thank u!
    Ciao!
     
    gannjunior, Apr 15, 2020
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    Try re flashing the BIOS?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 15, 2020
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    If you have the Clevo control center installed it might be messing with XTU, so uninstall one of them.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 16, 2020
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    Hello!
    Is there another heatsink available besides the original Clevo one ? Like a higher quality aftermarket heatsink ? Or maybe one made for direct die cooling ?

    I have a 9900KS doenclocked to 4.6 GHz in my 775TM besides an RTX2080 and this heatsink reached it's limit. When I boot up I get acceptable temps, however if the GPU side heats up too then the cpu temp just gets too high. After 30 min of Crysis 3 welcome to the jungle the cpu temp peaks at 95C.

    I have TG Conductonaut between the ihs and heatsink, but it's not the paste's fault, because TGC only gives about 1-2C lower temps then Kryonaut.

    I tested 2 Clevo heatsink and I noticed with both that for example if both cpu and GPU runs at 80C, then the air blown out from the gpu's radiator is hotter to the touch then the one from the cpu radiator .
    Ambient is 27C.

    I also checked contact and it's fine.

    In short , the heatsink was probably made so it could only give good temps with delidded 8700k or slower cpu and physically can't cool down a 9900KS (a which is about 10C cooler then a 9900k) .
    Has anyone made a better heatsink yet ?

    Cpu is not throttling but still I don't like to see 95C temps during a game level...

    This is the first time I see high temps due to low performing heatsink .
     
    DRevan, Apr 18, 2020
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    Have you considered buy a custom IHS and delidde your CPU and replace Intel's sTim with Conductonaut?

    See also
    Simple and very effective cooling "mod" for p775dm2/p775dm3
     
    Papusan, Apr 18, 2020
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    The only aftermarket heatsink I've seen was that sketchy Chinese TaoBao waterblock. And as for direct die cooling, it's entirely DIY at this point.
     
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    If your CPU temp issue is only during combined load, maybe look into acquiring a set of the non-unified heatsinks for the Pascal version of the P775TM. The Pascal GPU heatsink will require slight modification to work on a Turing MXM. Or you can try lowering the heat output of the 2080 by undervolting it. You’re not using a 200W vBIOS on the 2080, are you?
     
    yrekabakery, Apr 18, 2020
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    I know that P775TM1 can handle the 9900K up to 4.8Ghz and a GTX1080 from my own experience, but that was with a non-unified heatsink.
    I'd imagine the KS would be able to push a good undervolt with 4.6Ghz, but it might just be that the unified heatsink works against the 9900ks/2080 combo.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 18, 2020
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    Depends on your fitments and adjustments.
     
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    When I boot up the laptop I get acceptable temps, however once the GPU side heats up too I get a out 5-10C higher temps which go beyond the acceptable level.
    I saw a Chinese made water-cooling heatsink however it is too expensive and there are no reviews showing how it performs on air without connecting water.
     
    DRevan, Apr 19, 2020
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    Sounds like you may benefit from the non-unified heatsink then.
     
    yrekabakery, Apr 19, 2020
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    Worse than stock, since you'll have a hollow piece of copper filled with air, and air is not a great at conducting heat.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 19, 2020
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    That's why they use paste between the die and heatsink, air is terrible at it.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 20, 2020
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    Well then it's out of the question.

    Come to think of it...has anyone made an attempt on replacing the cpu fan with a more efficient one ? Is there an alternative fan with higher rpm and metal fans ?
     
    DRevan, Apr 21, 2020
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    So my machine is overclocked / undervolted by HID Evolution, which is great, but

    I'm doing pro audio, and often get audio glitches. Someone said it might be a 'clock' problem, and possibly caused by overclocking?

    I'm afraid to break something by playing with that. Is there a simple way to turn off overclocking, and would doing so possibly harm anything?


    Also, how exactly do I cap FPS? Not seeing it in the NVIDIA settings.

    Thanks!!!!
     
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    Reset BIOS to default.

    Update your Nvidia driver.
     
    yrekabakery, Apr 21, 2020
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    What were your temps before and after tweaks and did you implement the same level of mods as your 870TM? I do remember some members complaining the non unified GPU heatsink on the 775TM had their GPUs running a bit toasty but the CPU side was pretty decent.
     
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    jc_denton, Apr 21, 2020
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    I delidded the 9900K and ran it with a copper IHS from day one in the P775TM1. 4.8Ghz was within thermal limits and my comfortable zone for daily (<85c). I did run the 1080 with a 0.5mm copper shim due to bad contact, 1936Mhz capped at 0.950mV IIRC (<80c)

    On the P870 I've been doing more "serious" mods, direct die vapor chamber, die lapping, 2nd cpu fan etc. To get it running 5Ghz daily (<75c)
    The 1080 is allowed to use full voltage even with the power mod since it has a dual gpu vapor chamber for itself. (50c)

    But I bet if you were to do direct die vapor chamber on P775TM1, you'd be able to squeeze that chassis for an additional multi with the non-unified heatsink. Or get good acoustics and performance at 4.7Ghz.
     
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    This helped me a lot:
    I had to turn on Windows performance mode to get rid of audio glitches
     
    Mapl, Apr 21, 2020
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    You mean under power plans? For some reason I only have 'balanced' and 'custom', but I've set my CPU to always 100%
     
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    Device manager says my NVIDIA is up to date? Do I have to use that software that requires you to log in? Or just the 'NVIDIA Control Panel'?

    If I reset BIOS to default, will I lose my undervolt? Will I break anything? I hate creating more problems.
     
    Phryq, Apr 22, 2020
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    Write down your undervolt settings before you reset bios to Default. Then add it in afterwards.
     
    Papusan, Apr 22, 2020
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    Google this and I think you will manage

    Configure Power Management in Windows

     
    Mapl, Apr 22, 2020
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