*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

GDDR5 uses a totally different setup to ddr3, literally everything from pcb layout to voltage regulation to firmware.

Short of replacing a motherboard chipset it would be one of the most difficult things to swap

 

Can't be done. GDDR5 has a totally different pin-out to gDDR3. Plus, GDDR5 is extremely fussy about the geometry of the memory bus PCB traces (i.e. very straight with minimal curves) because the high speed operation can create backchatter. This is exactly the area Clevo shortchanged an otherwise solid design, the 650M with gDDR3 is too memory bandwidth starved to do anything meaningful.

The only real extreme upgrade I can think of at the moment which is remotely possible is swapping out the existing 1800mhz gDDR3 chips for the higher binned 2000mhz ICs. Assuming you are super pro at soldering and are comfortable with BGA arrays, you may need to also modify the vBIOS of the GPU in order to have the correct CAS timings and voltage for the vRAM. Ergo, probably better to save up for the W230SS which is what the W110er SHOULD have been.

 

Well the 860m was not available back then

 

Yeah true, neither was maxwell but it wouldn't have killed them to deploy the GDDR5 version of the 650m, if they were worried about low power or high vRAM temperatures then use the 1.35v version of GDDR5 (which was deployed on the 680m) and don't deploy 2GB (so no RAM ICs are needed on the keyboard side). GDDR3 is more suitable for multimedia laptops, not gaming.
It irks me that the BOM difference would've been about $20 which could've been passed to the consumer.

I guess they learnt their lesson otherwise the W230ST would've never been that good.

 

Still more power consuming than ddr3 and provides lesser benefit at the stock resolution.

GDDR5 tracing could have impacted the motherboard with the numbers of layers required.

 

think you are slightly confused or a spam post as this model was discontinued almost a year ago.

 

^^ LOL, what the thought process also ends at the products EOL?

 

Oh no he's H.Y.D.R.A.

 

W110er/np 6110 is not totally dead, actually it's still the most powerfull ultra portable in the world and you can still find it on Eurocom website. For me the only wrong point on this laptop is the graphic card which can't be upgraded but it s also the same problem for the W230ST. Personally I m not interested by the W230ST/Eurocom M4 laptop he is bigger 13.3 inch instead of 11.6 inch,more heavy and it s not anymore an ultra portable. It s two different products. And for that size I expect to fine a real graphic card like Nvidia GTX 880M and not an integrated one which will be also become weak soon. If I would like a bigger laptop I will be more interested by the Eurocom X3 15.6 inch which can really play all game in ultra and can be upgraded when new GPU will be available.

Current Notebook:

EUROCOM MONSTER W110er/i7-3940XM/Phobya HeGrease Extreme/NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 2GB DDR3/16GO DDR3 1866Mhz Kingston HyperX PnP/SSD Crucial M550 SATA III 960gb /Bigfoot Killer wireless-N 1202/150W PSU Fortron FSP-NB150/Windows 7 Pro-Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

 

^^ it's the GPU upgrade costs that scare me..

My dreams of many small i7 laptops with the universal eGPU port foiled again.

 

I'm actually working on a project that could solve many of these woes...

 

Roxxar, I am considering buying same notebook as you have. Please tell, does it overheat or throttle under heavy load, like video encoding for hours (or during prime95+furmark test), and how is your SSD temp in such conditions?

 

I also encode a lot of video/play to video games and I don 't have any problem. I think the temperature really depend of your cpu but even with the I7 3940xm (which is the most powerfull and the one who become the most warm also) I don 't have any overheat or throttle. I also use one the best termical paste (Phobya HeGrease Extreme),I think it can make a difference too( like around 5 degree at least) and I always use a cooling pad too for intensive tasks (only for intensive tasks). When I don't use the cooling pad it become really hot next to the graphic card and cpu during intensive tasks or video games after a time (left side of the laptop) but the ssd stay relatively cool because he is located on the right part of the laptop. I really advice you to get a cooling pad for intensive tasks, mine is a notepal U1 modded with 3 fans 80mms, this one got the perfect size for this laptop. With it I never have any problems (I think cooling pad help a lot around 10 less degree if you got a good one). I have never check exactly the temperature of my ssd during tasks but it s really resonnable.

Current Notebook:
EUROCOM MONSTER W110er/i7-3940XM/Phobya HeGrease Extreme/NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 2GB DDR3/16GO DDR3 1866Mhz Kingston HyperX PnP/SSD Crucial M500 SATA III 960gb /Bigfoot Killer wireless-N 1202/150W PSU Fortron FSP-NB150/Windows 7 Pro-Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

 

Roxxar, thanks for the answer, but I need to be sure whether HDD temps rise too high or not, since that is one of the main reasons for buying a new notebook, aside from performance. Hopefully someone will provide such information.

I will be using the notebook both with external monitor/peripherals/cooling pad, and on the go. I really like the ultracompact size of it. Overall, do you recommend it, or is it a better idea to go for something else, e.g. newer 13.3" Clevo? My tasks.

 

^^^ there are a few of these for sale on the forums with the 3610 which are user replaceable. Handbreak can re-encode my BD in about 2.5 hours depending on setting. The W110er does not break a sweat for encoding tasks nor does the HD spinner run very hot, 50C max with hard use. Using external drives will lower that. Adding a 3940XM and various drives would have you running HWiNFO64 to monitor your long term use.

You have to decide if the newer processors are worth the cost vs time encoding with program of choice? Got real world encode times?

 

hydra, thanks for the feedback.

I am thinking of buying a new one from Eurocom, with matte screen, i7-3630qm and localized keyboard, and upgrading it with 1tb sshd and another stick of ram on arrival, and 3940xm much later. Do they improve cooling somehow, by the way? They offer to put an i7 extreme cpu in nearly every notebook they sell...

Again, I really like the size of a thing, and can forgive it has only one hdd and no msata slots. Anyway, it's the best 12" I can get, right?

 

Still the top 11.6" laptop on the planet, yup.

I have one for sale, but only shipping within US48.. sounds like you are in Europe somewhere. Awesome little laptop. I have a Clevo W230SS / Sager NP7338 now - it's a great laptop, but I still kind of miss using my NP6110 - the portability / performance ratio of the NP6110 is unbeatable.

 

Where are you located?

 

My NP6110 has sold - USPS are picking it up some time today. Such a little powerhouse. Sorry to see it go.

:cry:

 

The NP7338 is such a good balance of power and size though...

 

True that! The mobility factor on the NP6110 was awesome though, but performance of NP7338 is wow. I do notice the difference carrying it around though (weight).

 

The 11 inch would likely be a 850M DDR3 if it were made today.

 

A new W110ER model... *Trouser Accident*

 

That's not a hint. That's the likely case if it was, maybe a new one with an 860M and no 2.5" bay would be cool.

 

That would be amazing, I loved my W230ST and I plan on buying a W230SS.. but the W110ER hit a sweet spot for me and its still my favourite of all the Clevo's I've owned.

 

Yeah I definitely loved my W110er. The GPU just didn't hold up for me.

I think I speak for all of us when I say a refresh of this model would be the greatest gift Sager could deliver.

 

I remember hearing about a newer power brick for this laptop. I recall it being 120w? And slimmer.

Where would I find one?

 

Hmmm an 11.6" with an 860M .. and a better quality display too please
Restrict it to mSATA to keep size down and perhaps allow for more effective cooling.
Yeah, I'd go there if they could do that with native 1920x1080 on it too... not a big fan of 1366x768.

 

I was using a 95W Thermaltake ADP95W0003 Toughpower Ultra Slim with my NP6110 and had no problems.

There is also a Kensington 120W slim power unit that is compatible.. in fact this looks like it here on Amazon [ link].
:thumbsup:

 

Any specific advantage of one over the other?

 

Depends on usage.. if you're going to be putting heavy loads on the CPU/GPU, I'd go for the 120W model, but the 95W worked fine for me for out and about light usage for the almost 2 years that I had the NP6110.. it was even still able to continue charging the battery while under light use, but heavier loads would probably suck every bit of juice the 95W could supply. In my experience the 95W model did get quite toasty warm after a while, but never to the point of being too hot to touch. Both of those models are very compact (particularly compared to the brick that came with my NP6110, lol), so I'd suggest going 120W since that is what the stock power supply is. This is of course not a professional recommendation, it's just based on my casual use, so consider this a disclaimer.

 

With PSUS give yourself some headroom.

 

Agreed, it was a great formfactor, many faults held it back from being my favorite though ( no turbo while gaming, terrible screen, the GPU left a lot to be desired) I am excited to get my w230ss today after owning the w230st and this laptop.

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I was unaware of no turbo while gaming.

I actually just re-ordered one of these as I am returning my Y50.

 

It's easily corrected with throttlestop.

 

True, but still a hassle and it got too hot for my liking after doing this.

 

What kind of temps did you see?

 

I know it s not the good forum but I think I found something that can be interesting for a lot of people.

Actualy I think the smallest laptop with a real graphic card is the new razer blade 14 qhd with GeForce GTX 870M 3GB GDDR5 (1344 CUDA cores, 941 MHz core 5 GHz memory clocks 192-bit memory bus). (100W graphic card)

The chipset is:
Intel HM87

Processor:
Intel Core i7-4702HQ
(4x2.2GHz + HTT, Turbo to 3.2GHz, 22nm, 6MB L3, 37W)

Memory:
8GB DDR3L-1600

The screen is 14" IGZO 16:9 3200x1800 Multitouch with LED Backlight. (5.76 million pixels)

Power adapter:
150W

Left side got:
AC adapter
2x USB 3.0
Combination mic/headphone jack

Right side got:
USB 3.0
HDMI 1.4a
Kensington Lock

The dimension are:
13.6" x 9.3 " x 0.70"
345mm x 235mm x 17.9mm

The weight is:
4.47 lbs
2.03 kg

Equipped with:
2.0 MP Webcam
Intel 2x2 802.11ac
Backlit anti-ghosting keyboard
Dual fans in the chassis
HDMI 1.4a port

I think this laptop is by far superior to the EUROCOM M4/W230SS/np7338 which has an integrated and non upgradable graphic card for the same weight and only 0.7inch more.

I just got some questions about it:
Is it possible to upgrade the 37W cpu by the I7 4940MX (57W)?
Can we upgrade the memory with 16GB at 1866Mhz?
And just to be sure can somebody confirm me that the graphic card is not integrated and can be replaced by the GTX 880M ? (GTX 880M is also a 100W graphic card)


Current notebook:
EUROCOM MONSTER W110er/i7-3940XM/Phobya HeGrease Extreme/NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 2GB DDR3/16GO DDR3 1866Mhz Kingston HyperX PnP/SSD Crucial M550 SATA III 960gb /Bigfoot Killer wireless-N 1202/150W PSU Fortron FSP-NB150/Windows 7 Pro-Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

 

Yes it will be superior to the W110ER.. its brand new and costs an absolute shed load more.

The CPU is not upgradeable. Not sure if you upgrade the GPU's on a Blade but I imagine you cannot, even if you could though a 880m will not go well in a 14" super thin laptop, 870m is the best you will get in any 14" laptop... even that is gonna get very hot especially being the older Kepler architecture.

My opinion on the Razer Blade is that it would be a hell of a laptop if it were only around half the price.

There are more super thin, premium laptops on the way.. look at the Asus GX500 and Auros X3. Both will be pricey still and not even come out until near the end of the year at least.

Personally id get the W230SS and reap the benefits of the Maxwell architecture. Ridiculously easy user upgradeability as well.

 

Yes all h series from intel are soldered.

 

So I hear these went and had to go get themselves discontinued?

 

considering selling mine if you want a cheap one.

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Yes they got replaced with the 13" models which stay small but allow a higher res screen and more GPU power.

 

Does this machine have full Win 8.1 support? (Drivers)

 

Looks like W8.. [ Sager NP6110 drivers]

 

The person I sold my NP6110 to recently was figuring out how to gain some additional storage for media (movies etc) since the NP6110 is limited by form factor to just one drive.. I suggested an external USB drive, but he just replied to let me know he purchased a large capacity SD instead so he can just click it into the card reader and go. What a great and simple solution! No carrying around a separate drive that way either. Thought I'd just mention it here for the benefit of any other NP6110 owners looking for extra storage. Seems so obvious now he told me, lol. Thanks LostCoast707 :thumbsup:

 

Yeah thats what I done with my W110ER, good thing is you can get shortened SD cards as well so they dont stick right out.

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Guys, I just got a Crucial MX100 SSD.

It's 2.5'' but the bay slot in this laptop is too deep for the SSD to sit level. I don't know how to elevate it slightly and level it so the sata port doesn't snap.

What am I to do?

 

Use a prop of some kind to fill the gap like a thick piece of plastic or foam.

 

So it should be for me to stick a piece of foam under the SSD, and maybe tape it?